Where did the idea that the soul is immortal originate?

[RachelBibleStudent]

No - it was an idea by Greek Philosophers and other pagans.
It was what God taught his chosen people would happen and should be resisted/ignored.

The church of Rome got many ideas from those taught in alexandrai - and they studied the works of the Bible in equal measure to the works of Greek philosophy.

That's where your ideas of 'immortality of the soul' come from. Not from the Bible.

The bible even says we should be scared of nothing but the one that can destroy the soul.
soul = flesh + spirit (Genesis)
spirit = the breath of God

Only God can destroy the soul - we all die because God has decided we should.
The flesh corrupts - the breath of God goes back to God (and He knows all about us so He can resurrect us come the day of resurrection).

If people don't believe in the day of resurrection then what gospel do they believe in? Not the one Jesus and Paul and Peter and John talked of surely.

knowledge of an non physical component of human existence that continues after death is many centuries older than greek philosophy...it was accepted by pretty much every ancient culture...including the hebrews who wrote the bible...

as i already showed in an earlier post on this thread...it is the belief in mortalism and annihilationism that is a recent 'pagan' invention that infiltrated a few christian denominations...

 

[danschance]

Nope, Wasn't ignoring them. And you know I wasn't. You seem to be stuck on making sure the wicked are kept alive forever and ever.

Why you associate the reward of the rightous with that of the wicked is beyond me. Nowhere does the bible say the reward of the wicked is eternal life. Not anywhere.. I suppose you can make that claim by picking and choosing verses that may suppor that idea. But, if you take precept upon precept, you can only come up with one thing.. The reward of the wicked is death. Eternal Death!

If you want to believe the reward of the wicked is eternal life in the lake of fire, go ahead. But here is somthing you cannot do. Tell me where the Lake of fire and all the wicked will be suffering at for all eternity. If you say this earth,, I say, God will make a new earth, for the former things will pass away. So, again, you are stuck.

God's purpose is that hell will destroy the devil and all sin and sinners and make the world safe for eternity. One sinner, if left on this planet, would be a deadly virus forever threatening the universe. It is God's plan to isolate sin and blot it out of existence for all time.
An eternal hell of torment would perpetuate and immortalize sin and sinners. And incidently, no one will be in heaven because he feared hell. people are saved because they love and obey Christ.

"for yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be.....The enemies of the Lord....shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away" (Psalm 37:10,20)

Regardless of what you think I believe or how you twist my words around, I can not deny the teachings that come straight from the bible. If i knew nothing of Ellen G white and i found a bible, do you think I would come to the same conclusions as she did? I think not.

He belief are a "johnny come lately" belief. Meaning they have never been taught in the early church. She is guilty of plagiarizing other people's writings and then claiming she got them from God. That makes her a hypocrite.

 

[Laodicea]

Danschance looks like you got nothing that is why you are critisizing and faultfinding rather than address the Bible. Read the parable before the parable of the rich man and tell me what it says. Because it provides the context to the parable of the rich man. You also need to understand who the gospel of Luke was written to.

 

[danschance]

Danschance looks like you got nothing that is why you are critisizing and faultfinding rather than address the Bible. Read the parable before the parable of the rich man and tell me what it says. Because it provides the context to the parable of the rich man. You also need to understand who the gospel of Luke was written to.

You might want to read all my posts and see how wrong you are.

 

[danschance]

Was Ellen G White a true Prophet of God?

[video=youtube;lMICd5Qh8Bg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMICd5Qh8Bg[/video]

 

[danschance]

Interesting....

The video I posted above says Ellen G White:

Predicted earthquakes were caused by water coming in contact with magma.
Actually, we now know earthquakes are caused by by the action of plate tectonics.

Some people alive in 1856 would see the seven plagues listed in Revelation.
This is false.

Certain races of men are the result of human/animal amalgamation.
What a racist teaching! Still think she was a prophet?

Ellen White said mastarbation causes cacer, small busts, small heads, a peculiar gate, small eyes that appear swollen at times, spinal trouble, weakened mental powers. She also claimed wigs over heat the brain and needlessly excite the system (in a sexual sense).
Odd, I was told mastarbation caused hairy palms and drying of the brain.

There is a planet with rain and 8 moons and is inhabited.
At the time little was known of the planets and her prophecy or revelation on this is dead wrong.

Check out the video I posted above for more solid evidence that Ellen G White is not a prophet of God.

 

[Laodicea]

Interesting....

The video I posted above says Ellen G White:

Predicted earthquakes were caused by water coming in contact with magma.
Actually, we now know earthquakes are caused by by the action of plate tectonics.

Some people alive in 1856 would see the seven plagues listed in Revelation.
This is false.

Certain races of men are the result of human/animal amalgamation.
What a racist teaching! Still think she was a prophet?

Ellen White said mastarbation causes cacer, small busts, small heads, a peculiar gate, small eyes that appear swollen at times, spinal trouble, weakened mental powers. She also claimed wigs over heat the brain and needlessly excite the system (in a sexual sense).
Odd, I was told mastarbation caused hairy palms and drying of the brain.

There is a planet with rain and 8 moons and is inhabited.
At the time little was known of the planets and her prophecy or revelation on this is dead wrong.

Check out the video I posted above for more solid evidence that Ellen G White is not a prophet of God.

This topic is about the soul not Ellen white. Again it is showing the lengths tou are going to. You cannot reply properly so you shoot the messenger. Stay with the topic.

 

[Laodicea]

Seventh Day Adventism started by a woman who started to see visions after she was hit in the head by a rock. It is now well known that she copied (plagiarized) other writers work and claimed she got them from God. ..and you actually believe the lies that came out of this whacked woman and how show explained away the clear teachings of scripture? Good luck with that.

This is your first post on this topic, surprise surprise no Bible, nothing but getting of the topic and trying to shoot the messenger.

 

[Laodicea]

Here are a few verses I don't think you have seen yet.

1) " And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Mathew 25:46

2) "If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, that person was thrown into the lake offire." Rev. 20:15

3) "And just as people are appointed to die once, and then to face judgment" Hebrews 9:27

4) "The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God’s wrath remains on him." John 3:36

5) "“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!" Mathew 25:41

6) “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth” Mathew 13:50

7) " “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”" Mark 9:48

8) “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone” Revelation 14:10

9) “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night” Revelation 14:11

Eternal punishment is not eternal punishing. Revelation 20 says that hell is cast into the lake of fire so what is hell in Rev 20? Fire not quenched is also mentioned in the OT about Jerusalem at the time of the Babylonian captivity it says the fire would not be quenched but yet it went out, can you explain that? As for forever the Bible says Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever but yet was only three days. I can show you all these verses and answer them by the Bible if you are willing and will stop being an accuser of the brethren.

 

[danschance]

Eternal punishment is not eternal punishing. Revelation 20 says that hell is cast into the lake of fire so what is hell in Rev 20? Fire not quenched is also mentioned in the OT about Jerusalem at the time of the Babylonian captivity it says the fire would not be quenched but yet it went out, can you explain that? As for forever the Bible says Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever but yet was only three days. I can show you all these verses and answer them by the Bible if you are willing and will stop being an accuser of the brethren.

Are you redefining terms, contradicting the bible, engaging in fantasy or blindly following the false prophet ellen g white? Keep in mind you have not addressed the scriptures posted above, only added your commentary.

 

[danschance]

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This is your first post on this topic, surprise surprise no Bible, nothing but getting of the topic and trying to shoot the messenger.

When discussing heresy, I find it very important to find out where the manure comes from. In this case it comes from a woman who claims being hit in the head was beneficial as it brought her insight into all the false doctrine she sold.

 

[Laodicea]

When discussing heresy, I find it very important to find out where the manure comes from. In this case it comes from a woman who claims being hit in the head was beneficial as it brought her insight into all the false doctrine she sold.

Doctrine I believe is not based on Ellen White it is based on the Bible so lets stick to the Bible. Answer this
Jude 1:7 KJV
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sodom and Gomorrha are an example of eternal fire. Sodom and Gomorrha are not burning now, so show from the Bible what is eternal fire in this verse? What is eternal punishment in this verse?

 

[danschance]

This topic is about the soul not Ellen white. Again it is showing the lengths tou are going to. You cannot reply properly so you shoot the messenger. Stay with the topic.

Again, I find it worth while to find the source of the manure. She claims all sorts of things and most can be proven false.

Do you know of a planet in our solar system that has 8 moons and in inhabited by humans?
Do you think earthquakes are caused by boiling water?
Do you think mastarbation causes cancer?
Do you think wearing a wig makes a person sexually aroused?
Do you think "some" people alive today are over 160 years old and will see the seven plagues?

If you answer no to any of those questions then you are in agreement with me that Ellen G White is a false prophet and leading people astray from the truth. I am not trying to be insulting but the truth in this case is clear. She is not what she claims to be. Study the bible with out her rose colored lenses and see the truth.

 

[Laodicea]

Again, I find it worth while to find the source of the manure. She claims all sorts of things and most can be proven false.

Do you know of a planet in our solar system that has 8 moons and in inhabited by humans?
Do you think earthquakes are caused by boiling water?
Do you think mastarbation causes cancer?
Do you think wearing a wig makes a person sexually aroused?
Do you think "some" people alive today are over 160 years old and will see the seven plagues?

If you answer no to any of those questions then you are in agreement with me that Ellen G White is a false prophet and leading people astray from the truth. I am not trying to be insulting but the truth in this case is clear. She is not what she claims to be. Study the bible with out her rose colored lenses and see the truth.

As I said which you seem to have a hard time understanding this topic is not about Ellen White

 

[danschance]

Doctrine I believe is not based on Ellen White it is based on the Bible so lets stick to the Bible. Answer this
Jude 1:7 KJV
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sodom and Gomorrha are an example of eternal fire. Sodom and Gomorrha are not burning now, so show from the Bible what is eternal fire in this verse? What is eternal punishment in this verse?

OK, so now you want to talk about the bible? OK, fine. Let's talk about the bible.

This is a clear reference to hell. The inhabitants are still in hell burning and will be forever.

 

[Laodicea]

OK, so now you want to talk about the bible? OK, fine. Let's talk about the bible.

This is a clear reference to hell. The inhabitants are still in hell burning and will be forever.

I never mentioned Ellen White you did, I have always used the Bible. I said to use the Bible all you have done is give your own opinion, no Bible not surprising. It is clear the text says they suffered the vengence of eternal fire yet they are not burning now. So what is eternal fire when they are not burning now? What is eternal punishment according to this verse?

 

[sunnygurl]

On a lighter note ..... could the answer be

The Highlander Movie

 

[notuptome]

Doctrine I believe is not based on Ellen White it is based on the Bible so lets stick to the Bible. Answer this
Jude 1:7 KJV
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sodom and Gomorrha are an example of eternal fire. Sodom and Gomorrha are not burning now, so show from the Bible what is eternal fire in this verse? What is eternal punishment in this verse?

The cities may not be burning but the inhabitants most certainly are. You have taken a very shallow interpretation of the passage.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Laodicea]

The cities may not be burning but the inhabitants most certainly are. You have taken a very shallow interpretation of the passage.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It looks like you people base doctrine on your own opinion. Talking about shallow. I asked you people to explain that verse I quoted with another verse showing what it means the they suffered eternal fire yet are not burning

 

[notuptome]

Instead of posting a bunch of scripture to back my position, I will tell you with my own words what will occur:

The Mark of the Beast (sunday observance) will be enforced. Satan will appear as a man and claim to be Christ. Nearly all will believe him.The death decree will go out to all who refuse the Mark of the Beast. With the death decree in place, Satan will attempt to rid the earth of Gods Commandment keeping people. Jesus will appear just before the Remnant is about to be killed.
At the Coming of Christ, the saved, both dead & alive shall meet Jesus in the AIR! Then we go to heaven and we shall spend 1000 years in heaven. Our work for that 1000 years is judging the cases of the wicked. After the 1000 years is finished we shall return to the earth with the Holy City Jerusalem. Satan has been left on earth for 1000 years with nobody to tempt. Jesus will raise the wicked. Satan will marshal them into surrounding the Holy City. He will convince them that the Holy City can be taken from the Saints. But, instead fire falls upon them and they are devoured and turned to ash. Then, God will make a new heavens and new earth,, and those safe inside the Holy City will be able to watch God create this planet anew!
That's my short version. Real short.

You have no choice but to provide your version because there is nothing in scripture to suggest your version is even slightly correct. Most here would rather have Gods version. Isn't the mark of the beast the same as the number of the beast? 666 being the number of the beast.

On the horizen is a religious movement. And it will start right here in the United Sates. Most people believe putting prayer back in public schools is a good idea. I beleive prayer will be placed back into public schools. Then men will claim this,,"we now have God back in our classrooms,, we should set an example for our youth. Let us observe Sunday". And everybody (christians) will think that is a great idea. Not to mention that the Moral decline of our nation & the disasters that follow will be blamed on the desecration of sunday. Men will claim that if we observe Sunday and make laws to enforce it, God will stop these terrible judgments that are striking the earth.

Ofcourse there will be a small group (remnant) that will refuse to accept the Mark of the Beast, and these will be blamed for the disasters that strike earth. Satan will incite men to kill those who keep the Commandments of God & faith of Jesus.

So, there will be no secret rapture in which millions suddenly disappear. Nope. The church will be here til the last day. And everybody on the planet will KNOW Jesus is here. For the earth shall shake and the earth shall be a total wreck at the Coming of the Lord!

There is no reference to the United States in end time prophecy. The tribulation and end time prophecy is centered around and directed at Israel. Keeping commandments is very Jewish. The commandments were and are a schoolmaster to bring Israel to their Messiah. Gal 3:24
Tell me are you trusting the blood of Christ to atone for your sins or are you trusting in your keeping of commandments to enter into eternal life?

For the cause of Christ
Roger