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OK, maybe you ought to let Paul in on the secret of Your great spirituality...
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
He still battled with his nature twenty some years AFTER his conversion.
Yep, I am telling this board I am in the same boat as Paul...
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
I, of myself, do not know right from wrong. I am just like Paul and need the Law to show me what sin is.
Oh and about that love thing and the Two great Commandments...
1) The First Great Commandment is to Love God.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
We love God by KEEPING His Commandments.
2) The Second Great Commandment is to Love Our Neighbor.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
We love our neighbor by KEEPING the Commandments.
Peace to you.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
He still battled with his nature twenty some years AFTER his conversion.
Yep, I am telling this board I am in the same boat as Paul...
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
I, of myself, do not know right from wrong. I am just like Paul and need the Law to show me what sin is.
Oh and about that love thing and the Two great Commandments...
1) The First Great Commandment is to Love God.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
We love God by KEEPING His Commandments.
2) The Second Great Commandment is to Love Our Neighbor.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
We love our neighbor by KEEPING the Commandments.
Peace to you.
' "Under the law" is a term used in the New Testament to refer to the Jews.'
could be... i'm not sure... in galatians 5, it is talking about 'if you are led by the Spirit'...
"Romans 2:17 says that they depended on the law as a means of righteousness.
I am not under the law. I am dead to the law. I don't depend on the law for righteousness but on Christ."
ok, we're on the same page here...
"But does that mean I don't keep the law anymore?"
well, it means a person wants to walk by the Spirit... then living by rules is not an issue anymore...
"Of course not. I'd go direct to jail if I murdered someone."
well, just aim for walking by the Spirit... i think that will end up fulfilling the Spirit of the law in the many different situations that can come up...
grace and peace to you!
could be... i'm not sure... in galatians 5, it is talking about 'if you are led by the Spirit'...
"Romans 2:17 says that they depended on the law as a means of righteousness.
I am not under the law. I am dead to the law. I don't depend on the law for righteousness but on Christ."
ok, we're on the same page here...
"But does that mean I don't keep the law anymore?"
well, it means a person wants to walk by the Spirit... then living by rules is not an issue anymore...
"Of course not. I'd go direct to jail if I murdered someone."
well, just aim for walking by the Spirit... i think that will end up fulfilling the Spirit of the law in the many different situations that can come up...
grace and peace to you!
B
The law is no longer binding but if you refuse to live by it by grace through faith according to every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, then we will not receive the benefits or the blessing associated with it. We will not be condemned but we will not receive the blessings ordained by God when we adhere to it. For example, children are to obey and honor their parents and if they do then they are blessed with a long life according to (Eph 6:1-3). If a child neglects that mandate, then those blessings can be forfeited. So if we seriously honor the Lord's mandates that apply to the NT believer, according to Christ and not according to the law of Moses, then we can expect to be blessed in our deeds. We are to be a doer of the word (the law) and not a hearer only (James 1:22-25).
Depending on obeying the Law to "earn" eternal life or as a means of righteousness is handled pretty well right here...
Isa 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
That does not mean to live outside of the Law, committing murder, adultery, theft, etc. What it means is that we should obey to the very best of our abilities and then realize for all our works we are unclean and "under the Law", under the penalty of the Law, namely death.
So what do we do? Paul explains...
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Go to the Father in humble prayer, throw ourselves on the mercy of the court and ask forgiveness through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. His job for the last 2000 years?
Heb 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Isa 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
That does not mean to live outside of the Law, committing murder, adultery, theft, etc. What it means is that we should obey to the very best of our abilities and then realize for all our works we are unclean and "under the Law", under the penalty of the Law, namely death.
So what do we do? Paul explains...
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Go to the Father in humble prayer, throw ourselves on the mercy of the court and ask forgiveness through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. His job for the last 2000 years?
Heb 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
C
Is God a liar?
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
well, first off, let me say that i'm impressed with your level of bible knowledge and ability to research the scriptures... if, with an honest and sincere heart, your deep study has led you to say that we should obey the law to the very best of our abilities, and you honestly and prayerfully feel that this is what God wants you to do, then by all means, do it...
of course, as you already know, the Spirit of the rule is often different from what a person might think just looking at the letter... we can see that just looking at how Jesus talked about and lived according to the law...
grace and peace to you, and may the Lord give you strength in your research and studyings!
of course, as you already know, the Spirit of the rule is often different from what a person might think just looking at the letter... we can see that just looking at how Jesus talked about and lived according to the law...
grace and peace to you, and may the Lord give you strength in your research and studyings!
I think you are talking about church,right?There isn't anything wrong about going to church on saturdays,But it does matter why you go on saturdays.
Its about the inward man.
If someone is going to church on saturdays because its saturday, then they are trying to add to the LORDs finished work,meaning it is being polluted.
Its about the inward man.
If someone is going to church on saturdays because its saturday, then they are trying to add to the LORDs finished work,meaning it is being polluted.
I go to church on the Sabbath (Saturday) because that is the day God made holy and set apart. The day Christ kept and the day Paul and the Apostles kept. Because God says it is His Sabbath...
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
The One who spoke this is the One who became Jesus Christ. He said it was His Sabbath, not the Sabbath of the Jews. He says He is Lord of the Sabbath.
Something I have found in this earthly veil of tears is that doing something just because God says to is good enough reason.
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
The One who spoke this is the One who became Jesus Christ. He said it was His Sabbath, not the Sabbath of the Jews. He says He is Lord of the Sabbath.
Something I have found in this earthly veil of tears is that doing something just because God says to is good enough reason.
No I'm not saying to disregard the word of GOD,but i want to ask you:
In the law you are told to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy.
Under Grace don't let anyone judge you according to a day.
If the same GOD that gave Moses the law,is the same GOD that taught Paul what to say and we both know that he is,and we know that scripture interprets scripture,then how come what is said in the law and what is said under grace is different.
I think its because the old covenant was a guide to the new
In the law you are told to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy.
Under Grace don't let anyone judge you according to a day.
If the same GOD that gave Moses the law,is the same GOD that taught Paul what to say and we both know that he is,and we know that scripture interprets scripture,then how come what is said in the law and what is said under grace is different.
I think its because the old covenant was a guide to the new
A
no .......that's not logical or biblical.....
phrase it this way:
if you are circumcised in the heart/ spirit do you need to check to see if your circumcised in the flesh?
Romans 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
phrase it this way:
if you are circumcised in the heart/ spirit do you need to check to see if your circumcised in the flesh?
Romans 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.