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For me it's important to understand old language and how they used their words in that time, because today the same word may mean something different than how they use the word back then. Human language seems to be always evolving so keeping up with word meaning is of virtue speaking of,
I use that one in verse 21 IMO for a simple yet profound point to the Holy Spirit in verse 20,, instead of using the word and, like it was,, and she bear a son, I use by virtue of,, which explains from the verse before from the Holy Spirit and the next statement of In virtue of speaks of that the son being the one to name Jesus.
things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, correspondingly said to him: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her, is from the Holy Spirit:
21 By virtue of she will bear a son; In virtue of thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he will resuscitate his people from their sins.
Sounds like me after O.D.ing on the morning joe. 
KJV will always be my favorite, though. Perhaps it is an acquired taste.
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Thanks bro,, I agree we can't walk around saying momma dadda for ever, language is a good tool, why not do it with a bible enhance volcabuary that's my view of it no doubt..
I like the KJV as well, along with others too, the one thing I like about the NIV is how they divide each teaching instead of jumping right into another teaching without a transition statement like other bibles do. the artistic style of the KJV has grown on me over the years..
I like the KJV as well, along with others too, the one thing I like about the NIV is how they divide each teaching instead of jumping right into another teaching without a transition statement like other bibles do. the artistic style of the KJV has grown on me over the years..
I don't like this version either.
Not good.
However... personally, I just can't get through my day without a few good "thous."
I honestly have no problem with second person singular... it's actually very precise.
So back away from my "thous"... thou spawn of modern literature.
Thine own language be a curse upon thee.
Like totally.
You and I both know that the word "thou" is more accurate in the English language than using the word "you". In modern English "you" can be used for both singular and plural form. "Thou" is only singular. "Thee" is only singular. "You" is plural. "Ye" is plural. Even a child can grasp this understand.
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Here's a few more where I back off alittle on the advance trans to more just modern.
03 (withal) Herod the king heard, (as a result) he was disturbed; (accompanying) all Jerusalem with him.
04 (as well) he assembled all the chiefs of the priests, (in like manner) the scribes of the people, (as well as) inquired of them, Where is the birthplace of the Messiah ?
05 (in distinction to) they said: In Bethlehem of Judaea; for thus it is written in the prophet:
06 Thou also, Bethlehem of Judaea, art not the little among the kings of Judaea, for a king shall come from thee who shall rule my people Israel.
07 Then Herod privately called the Magi, (in other respects) learned from them at what time the star appeared to them.
08 (additionally) he sent them to Bethlehem, (equally) said to them, Go, search diligently for the child; (so) when ye have found him, come and tell me, that I also may go (in the same way too) worship him.
09 (with regard to) they, when they had heard from the king, went forward: and lo, the star they had seen in the east went before them, until it came (in conjunction) stood over where the child was.
10 (simultaneously) when they saw the star, they rejoiced much, with great joy.
03 (withal) Herod the king heard, (as a result) he was disturbed; (accompanying) all Jerusalem with him.
04 (as well) he assembled all the chiefs of the priests, (in like manner) the scribes of the people, (as well as) inquired of them, Where is the birthplace of the Messiah ?
05 (in distinction to) they said: In Bethlehem of Judaea; for thus it is written in the prophet:
06 Thou also, Bethlehem of Judaea, art not the little among the kings of Judaea, for a king shall come from thee who shall rule my people Israel.
07 Then Herod privately called the Magi, (in other respects) learned from them at what time the star appeared to them.
08 (additionally) he sent them to Bethlehem, (equally) said to them, Go, search diligently for the child; (so) when ye have found him, come and tell me, that I also may go (in the same way too) worship him.
09 (with regard to) they, when they had heard from the king, went forward: and lo, the star they had seen in the east went before them, until it came (in conjunction) stood over where the child was.
10 (simultaneously) when they saw the star, they rejoiced much, with great joy.
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Really John, you think I don't know that? I have read the NT in Greek, French and Spanish. ALL of them use 2nd person singular. It is useful, as far as scholarly study. And yes, having "you" for both the singular and plural creates problems on occasions. Both Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew use 2nd person singular, but modern English does not.
But the fact is, it is not a part of speech we have in English anymore. I was not born in the 16th century. We have to limp by on modern English! I will also say, using thees and thous is a real turn off for young people, who have never been exposed to it. For instance, I had to fight with my spell check, just to post those two words, because those two words don't even exist anymore.
A translation must be readable! And it must be true to the original languages. So, something has to give somewhere. In my opinion, it has to be readable, or no one will read it. And if someone desires to know whether it is 2nd person singular or plural, I guess they are just going to have to google it!
(For me, 2nd person singular creates a lot more problems than it solves in English. I did not know how to conjugate it in English. I do not know what case "thee" is. I have never even heard of a course, or a book one might learn how to conjugate 16th century English. Now as far as French, Spanish, German, Hebrew, Greek, I have lots of resources to know how to properly conjugate 2nd singular in those languages. Yep, its tough speaking English!)
I have just started reading it. But, we do use it when comparing translations a lot in Greek now, and our professor is really impressed with it keeping the right tenses and cases, and yet conveying the passages in understandable English. My prof says the study notes are second to none. I have not really compared the Hebrew in the OT. That will have to wait till I finished this semester of Greek. I find it too hard to work on two Biblical languages at the same time.
I really want to read it through a few times, and do a lot of comparisons to the original languages, before I recommend it as being the best version. So ask me after the 2nd edition of whatever comes out, and then give me a couple of years. I know I used to think ESV was great. And it can be better in some ways. But after a while I grew to dislike it, because it was clumsy and followed the KJV rather than the Greek and Hebrew.
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful!
So what you are looking at is a paraphrase, then? Because the actual meanings of soso are not included at all in the above definitions. Which are: save, deliver, and rescue.
This is more a metaphor you are using than the actual meaning of the word in Greek. This smacks too much of being physically dead. And your definitions agree with me.
While we are certainly dead in our sins, before we come to Christ, we are NOT dead in our body. Resuscitate is simply to do with rousing a physically dead person, while saving, is something we do to people who need help and are not dead in their bodies. We save them from their sins.
We do NOT resuscitate people from their sins! Just a totally wrong word! And I am very firm on this. What is your educational background, if you don't mind me asking? I would like to know where you are at in English, as well as your background in Hebrew and Greek.
You have taken a very easily read passage, and turned it into a difficult passage to read. I also think you are really twisting things to make it have big words, using wrong definitions. Perhaps you should spend a few years learning Greek really well, before you decide to translate, with the only goal of making it have big words? Because the goal of any translation, modern or old, is to make it readable, and to stay true as much as possible to the original languages, which you have not done.
Sorry!