Hey, Piratzz. I logged off and saw this thread. I gotta get going, but for now I just wanted say I've experienced a demonic attack before. I believe they are actually very common but that they're sort of like dreams: they happen most when people sleep, and when they wake up, they don't remember them. I'll get back to this thread to see if I can shed some light on it.
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Piratzz, you said in your OP, "How do you keep the faith when God threw you in the fire and still hasn't came to get you?" And right above, you say, "The fact is God forsook me... Nothing like praying to God on your lowest point with something you have no power over attacking you and God just says no. My story is kind of like psalm 23 except God doesn't help you and leaves you in the shadow of death to fend for yourself." That happened to me before. I woke up from a demonic attack once and felt depressed like God wasn't on my side because it seemed like God had let them attack me. Right when I was feeling that way, this song came to mind: "Be still my soul, the Lord is on thy side." Take it for what it's worth, but I felt like He was telling me that having a demonic attack didn't mean that He wasn't for me or left me fend for myself.
It's too bad you can't get a lot of answers when it comes to the realm of the demonic. All I know is that when they attack, they have an opening somewhere in your life-- sort of like ants coming into your house in the summer; they need an opening somewhere. They can't just appear inside your house. It sounds like watching that movie for you opened a door. But if you pray and ask God to close the door and you still have demonic attacks at night, then there is another door open (or several). As I posted last time, demonic attacks are more common than we would like to think. Most people who have them don't just share with everyone. But mostly, demons tend to do their thing at night, especially when people are asleep. They may 'attack' or mess with you while you're asleep and you wake up and never even know it. If you do wake up while it's happening, you at least have a head start on someone else who doesn't know it's happening. But it's not about God leaving you to fend for yourself; it's about demons having open doors in your life.
It's too bad you can't get a lot of answers when it comes to the realm of the demonic. All I know is that when they attack, they have an opening somewhere in your life-- sort of like ants coming into your house in the summer; they need an opening somewhere. They can't just appear inside your house. It sounds like watching that movie for you opened a door. But if you pray and ask God to close the door and you still have demonic attacks at night, then there is another door open (or several). As I posted last time, demonic attacks are more common than we would like to think. Most people who have them don't just share with everyone. But mostly, demons tend to do their thing at night, especially when people are asleep. They may 'attack' or mess with you while you're asleep and you wake up and never even know it. If you do wake up while it's happening, you at least have a head start on someone else who doesn't know it's happening. But it's not about God leaving you to fend for yourself; it's about demons having open doors in your life.
I saw the demons for one-- sometimes dark, misty forms, other times more visible. Also, when they attack people and you wake up during the attack, there is always a presence of like a lot of fear and terror. There are different types of nighttime demonic attacks: sometimes you feel them but don't see them; other times you feel and see them. Have you had any nighttime experiences you think might have been demonic?
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’
Mark 14:38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Luke 4:13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.
1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’
Mark 14:38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Luke 4:13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.
1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
T
Yes I have felt evil spirits esp at night like I could feel the evil staring me in the face but as soon as u flipped lights on it disappeared... Interesting explains why evil loves darkness. Satin comes to shut us up, he don't bug ya when u sin, only when u live right n lead others to Christ . He tells us we will suffer if we follow him. Rebuke the devil with the blood n he Has to flee!
This thread was about demons attacking Christians, not demons entering Christians. But since you brought it up, I have to report that demons can enter Christians and that the Bible isn't clear on the topic. The Bible says to examine and put to the test all claims, prophecies, spirits, and fruits. Without putting these to the test, you can't claim to know the Bible's answers. When approaching the Bible, it's important to know that we will automatically see it through our own lenses and will naturally want to fit or manipulate it to say what makes us feel more at ease, safe, secure, justified, good, okay. That's why it's important to examine or test all things.
The Bible does say that the Spirit lives in a Christian, that God owns a Christian, that a Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit, etc.; but it doesn't say that a Christian cannot have a demon. If I believed that Christians can't have demons, then if I met a Christian with a demon, I could only say this: "Either you aren't really a Christian or that isn't a demon inside you." The complete absence of Love in that thinking proves that the thought (belief) is not rooted in or from God, because "God is Love". Approach the Bible with a heart to know God and to love people (two things that go hand in glove); then the Bible will 'discover' or unfold its treasures (things not written on the surface) to you.
The Bible does say that the Spirit lives in a Christian, that God owns a Christian, that a Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit, etc.; but it doesn't say that a Christian cannot have a demon. If I believed that Christians can't have demons, then if I met a Christian with a demon, I could only say this: "Either you aren't really a Christian or that isn't a demon inside you." The complete absence of Love in that thinking proves that the thought (belief) is not rooted in or from God, because "God is Love". Approach the Bible with a heart to know God and to love people (two things that go hand in glove); then the Bible will 'discover' or unfold its treasures (things not written on the surface) to you.
M
I do not have time to read all the posts so I am just addressing the OP. Christians HAVE AUTHORITY over demons. We need only to tell them to go (verbally). Tell that them you are cancelling their assignment over your life "In the name of Jesus Christ". Ask the Lord WHY that demon had the right to accost you and then repent, cancel any generational curse, and close the door to your soul on that thing.
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Sounds similar (maybe it is) to
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Perhaps what you saw is not because of spiritual things.
T
The Bible is clear on this topic, a christian cannot be possessed by a demon or evil spirit. Dig harder in the word you will find it.
Christan can be oppressed by demons, but never possessed. To suggest a Christian can be possessed, states that Jesus redemptive work on the cross and raising from the dead never happened and is of none affect against the powers of darkness...
Think hard on this and dig in the word, you will find it.
Christan can be oppressed by demons, but never possessed. To suggest a Christian can be possessed, states that Jesus redemptive work on the cross and raising from the dead never happened and is of none affect against the powers of darkness...
Think hard on this and dig in the word, you will find it.
Luke 6:48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
Luke 22:31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
In order for someone to fall seventy-seven times means that the devil have had a hold on them seventy-seven times. Paul had to confronted Peter for being convinced by others of going back to the ways of the old laws and which made Christ death on the cross worthless. And so the devil was able to lure him away from Christ by having possession of his soul. Some people has the trouble in believing in the supernatural, an God has to reveal to them that there is a supernatural realm, by removing the hedge that prevent this realm from penetrating through, in order for the unbelieving person that has doubted to believe. A lot of maturing Christians has these doubts; but how blessed are the ones that believes without seeing, because they already know when they here the truth.
Luke 22:31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
In order for someone to fall seventy-seven times means that the devil have had a hold on them seventy-seven times. Paul had to confronted Peter for being convinced by others of going back to the ways of the old laws and which made Christ death on the cross worthless. And so the devil was able to lure him away from Christ by having possession of his soul. Some people has the trouble in believing in the supernatural, an God has to reveal to them that there is a supernatural realm, by removing the hedge that prevent this realm from penetrating through, in order for the unbelieving person that has doubted to believe. A lot of maturing Christians has these doubts; but how blessed are the ones that believes without seeing, because they already know when they here the truth.
On the surface, the "just do it" stance you take seems okay. The first problem with it is that it makes love an option rather than a given: if the method works, then you are happy with the person on whom it worked; but if it doesn't, then you aren't happy with the person. Your acceptance of them will be based on whether your advice/wisdom worked or did not work for them.
The second and connected problem with the "just do it" stance is that Jesus said, "Wisdom is justified (proved right) by her children (fruits, effect, outcome)" (Lk. 7:35). That means that God's way always works which means that if you advise someone to "just do it" this or that way but it doesn't work for them, your advice/wisdom failed, proving it wasn't from God.
Jesus' disciples couldn't cast out a demon from an epileptic and asked Him why. Jesus replied, "This kind does not go out but by prayer and fasting." People naturally focus on 'what you have to do': "prayer and fasting"; but the greater truth in the sentence is found in the first two words, "this kind" which directly imply that there are different types of issues and problems and that a different stragety is sometimes required to see resolution. While strategies can run the gamut, the strategy for the epileptic situation was "prayer and fasting".
If you tell someone, "Do this and you will see results" and they do it but see no results, that's evidence that your advice/wisdom was not from God. In the case of demonization or healing or miracles, one size doesn't fit all. Jesus says that the outcome is the proof of whether or not the wisdom (strategy employed) is from God or not.
People today need Jesus' wisdom instead of ours, because in one of those strange but overlooked things, every strategy He employed for healing or deliverance or miracles worked. Here are just some examples: spitting on His fingers and sticking them in a person's ears to heal deafness; spitting on His fingers and touching a person's tongue to heal muteness; making mud with spit and dirt and putting it on a person's eyes to heal blindness; telling a person to stand up to heal lameness; telling a person to stretch out their arm to heal a shriveled arm, etc. For clarity, we can, regarding the demonic and healing and miracles, correctly translate "Wisdom is justified by her children" as "When it is from God, it will work."
The second and connected problem with the "just do it" stance is that Jesus said, "Wisdom is justified (proved right) by her children (fruits, effect, outcome)" (Lk. 7:35). That means that God's way always works which means that if you advise someone to "just do it" this or that way but it doesn't work for them, your advice/wisdom failed, proving it wasn't from God.
Jesus' disciples couldn't cast out a demon from an epileptic and asked Him why. Jesus replied, "This kind does not go out but by prayer and fasting." People naturally focus on 'what you have to do': "prayer and fasting"; but the greater truth in the sentence is found in the first two words, "this kind" which directly imply that there are different types of issues and problems and that a different stragety is sometimes required to see resolution. While strategies can run the gamut, the strategy for the epileptic situation was "prayer and fasting".
If you tell someone, "Do this and you will see results" and they do it but see no results, that's evidence that your advice/wisdom was not from God. In the case of demonization or healing or miracles, one size doesn't fit all. Jesus says that the outcome is the proof of whether or not the wisdom (strategy employed) is from God or not.
People today need Jesus' wisdom instead of ours, because in one of those strange but overlooked things, every strategy He employed for healing or deliverance or miracles worked. Here are just some examples: spitting on His fingers and sticking them in a person's ears to heal deafness; spitting on His fingers and touching a person's tongue to heal muteness; making mud with spit and dirt and putting it on a person's eyes to heal blindness; telling a person to stand up to heal lameness; telling a person to stretch out their arm to heal a shriveled arm, etc. For clarity, we can, regarding the demonic and healing and miracles, correctly translate "Wisdom is justified by her children" as "When it is from God, it will work."
Lol. Can I say and ask several things?
1. I didn't say anything about paralysis but about feeling and seeing living things.
2. Do you believe the Bible when you read it?
3. Do you believe that spirit beings exist?
The psych fields have a lot of potential to do awesome things for people; but they are often too busy worshiping terms and ideas they've made up to explain what they don't understand. Have you ever noticed that when people suffer from certain mental issues, there is such a sameness, similarity, and predictability about what they suffer across the board? For instance, panic attacks: people who have panic attacks don't only physically feel the same things but mentally and emotionally tend to feel the same things. Also, many panic attacks happen around the same times of day (often at night when people sleep). How can this be happenstance or simple physiology?
There are so many similarities and a predictability about many mental issues, if you can see beyond psych talk, that make it apparent that these 'mental problems' are not static or amorphous but often 'have their own mind'. This is problematic for people in these fields, because the one thing they often want to deny and avoid is any discovery that shows the existence of living things (i.e. invisible, living beings) within the mental health fields. It's way above their pay grade and would threaten the sanity of many of them.
1. I didn't say anything about paralysis but about feeling and seeing living things.
2. Do you believe the Bible when you read it?
3. Do you believe that spirit beings exist?
The psych fields have a lot of potential to do awesome things for people; but they are often too busy worshiping terms and ideas they've made up to explain what they don't understand. Have you ever noticed that when people suffer from certain mental issues, there is such a sameness, similarity, and predictability about what they suffer across the board? For instance, panic attacks: people who have panic attacks don't only physically feel the same things but mentally and emotionally tend to feel the same things. Also, many panic attacks happen around the same times of day (often at night when people sleep). How can this be happenstance or simple physiology?
There are so many similarities and a predictability about many mental issues, if you can see beyond psych talk, that make it apparent that these 'mental problems' are not static or amorphous but often 'have their own mind'. This is problematic for people in these fields, because the one thing they often want to deny and avoid is any discovery that shows the existence of living things (i.e. invisible, living beings) within the mental health fields. It's way above their pay grade and would threaten the sanity of many of them.
Before I could think about it, I saw Christians who had demons living within them. I figured I wouldn't have to think hard about it after that.
The Bible is not clear on this topic at all. If anything at all, the Bible leans more toward Christians having demons than it does toward Christians not having demons.
Also, it's important to note that the Bible translations (including KJV, because there is no perfect translation) wrongly translated the word some see as 'possessed' in their Bibles. The correct word is usually if not always 'daimonizomai' which means 'demonized' or literally 'to have a demon'. 'Daimonion' is Greek for demon, and 'daimonizomai' is Greek for 'demonized'. Having a demon is like having a cold in that when you have the cold, it is on the inside of you (though it's possible to argue that a cold isn't really inside you), not on the outside of you. Demons can be oppressed from the outside and can also be demonized from the inside. The word 'possessed' is too misleading. I think that if you asked some Christians who are suffering demonization, they would tell you that they don't care what the terms are but that they want relief from it. Throw out the word 'possessed', because it is a wrong translation and is misleading. The proper term is 'have a demon' (like having a cold) on the inside.
The late Derek Prince, a known scholar and Bible teacher and preacher, did not believe that Christians could have demons. He was among the long line of staunch believers who believe that Christians are 'too saved' to have demons. The Lord tried to get his attention on the issue, but he was adamant about 'the efficacy of the work of the Cross'. But truth is far above belief, and evidence is greater than unbelief. Derek Prince was in a church (maybe his church) one day to preach. After worship and all that, he began to preach. As he preached, the pastor's daughter (I think it was) who played the piano at the church, sitting on the front row, suddenly fell out of her chair and began writhing like a snake and making a noise like the sound of a freight train (coming out her mouth). Long story short, they stopped the service, took her next door, confronted some demons (some which were poltergeists and began to lift her up in the air and toss around things in the room), and cast them out. One of the demons, I still recall, was an incubus who began to have sex with her right there in front of Prince and the other ministers while they were doing the deliverance. (This is all recorded in his book, 'The Shall Expel Demons': They Shall Expel Demons: What You Need to Know about Demons - Your Invisible Enemies: Derek Prince: 9780800792602: Amazon.com: Books. He tells the above story in chapter 7 titled 'challenged in my own pulpit'.) I never met Derek Prince, but truth has a sound about it.
Americans are Christians because we are raised that way; many people in the Middle East are Muslims, because they are raised that way; many people in China follow the same religion (and so on around the world), because they were raised that way. That's called 'beliefs'; then there is truth. Being Christian doesn't mean we know the truth; we really know the truth as fact only as we continue in His Word-- or believe and practice what He says-- as Jesus said. (Jn. 8:31-32.)
The Bible is not clear on this topic at all. If anything at all, the Bible leans more toward Christians having demons than it does toward Christians not having demons.
Also, it's important to note that the Bible translations (including KJV, because there is no perfect translation) wrongly translated the word some see as 'possessed' in their Bibles. The correct word is usually if not always 'daimonizomai' which means 'demonized' or literally 'to have a demon'. 'Daimonion' is Greek for demon, and 'daimonizomai' is Greek for 'demonized'. Having a demon is like having a cold in that when you have the cold, it is on the inside of you (though it's possible to argue that a cold isn't really inside you), not on the outside of you. Demons can be oppressed from the outside and can also be demonized from the inside. The word 'possessed' is too misleading. I think that if you asked some Christians who are suffering demonization, they would tell you that they don't care what the terms are but that they want relief from it. Throw out the word 'possessed', because it is a wrong translation and is misleading. The proper term is 'have a demon' (like having a cold) on the inside.
The late Derek Prince, a known scholar and Bible teacher and preacher, did not believe that Christians could have demons. He was among the long line of staunch believers who believe that Christians are 'too saved' to have demons. The Lord tried to get his attention on the issue, but he was adamant about 'the efficacy of the work of the Cross'. But truth is far above belief, and evidence is greater than unbelief. Derek Prince was in a church (maybe his church) one day to preach. After worship and all that, he began to preach. As he preached, the pastor's daughter (I think it was) who played the piano at the church, sitting on the front row, suddenly fell out of her chair and began writhing like a snake and making a noise like the sound of a freight train (coming out her mouth). Long story short, they stopped the service, took her next door, confronted some demons (some which were poltergeists and began to lift her up in the air and toss around things in the room), and cast them out. One of the demons, I still recall, was an incubus who began to have sex with her right there in front of Prince and the other ministers while they were doing the deliverance. (This is all recorded in his book, 'The Shall Expel Demons': They Shall Expel Demons: What You Need to Know about Demons - Your Invisible Enemies: Derek Prince: 9780800792602: Amazon.com: Books. He tells the above story in chapter 7 titled 'challenged in my own pulpit'.) I never met Derek Prince, but truth has a sound about it.
Americans are Christians because we are raised that way; many people in the Middle East are Muslims, because they are raised that way; many people in China follow the same religion (and so on around the world), because they were raised that way. That's called 'beliefs'; then there is truth. Being Christian doesn't mean we know the truth; we really know the truth as fact only as we continue in His Word-- or believe and practice what He says-- as Jesus said. (Jn. 8:31-32.)
T
The Bible is very clear...dig harder.
Derek Prince along with Frank and Ida Mae Hammond were later discovered to be frauds in their so called "Deliverance" ministries. Scores of their so called "delivered" came forward after their deaths claiming they were paid under the table and all sort sof other nonsense.
If you read any of Prince's books on the subject and the Hammond's Pig in the Parlor, its all the same foolishness...Christian's who smoke have a demon of nicotine....A married couple who engage in oral sex have demons of lust....all this is nonsense....
In fact, the Hammond's plagiarized Prince's books and then later claimed they had exclusive permission, yet the Prince family says no way.
Both of these ministries placed the powers of darkness over Jesus, by claiming it is more powerful than the cross...
They died on death beds confessing they had fleeced millions and came into repentance....that Christians cannot ever be possessed.
get in the word and you will find how clear the bible is. if you still fell its not clear, then pray that the spirit of wisdom and revelation will come to you concerning this issue.
Derek Prince along with Frank and Ida Mae Hammond were later discovered to be frauds in their so called "Deliverance" ministries. Scores of their so called "delivered" came forward after their deaths claiming they were paid under the table and all sort sof other nonsense.
If you read any of Prince's books on the subject and the Hammond's Pig in the Parlor, its all the same foolishness...Christian's who smoke have a demon of nicotine....A married couple who engage in oral sex have demons of lust....all this is nonsense....
In fact, the Hammond's plagiarized Prince's books and then later claimed they had exclusive permission, yet the Prince family says no way.
Both of these ministries placed the powers of darkness over Jesus, by claiming it is more powerful than the cross...
They died on death beds confessing they had fleeced millions and came into repentance....that Christians cannot ever be possessed.
get in the word and you will find how clear the bible is. if you still fell its not clear, then pray that the spirit of wisdom and revelation will come to you concerning this issue.
Wow, highwayman, that's a very low blow. To prove your argument, you're willing to attack the character of those who disagree with you. Please name one minister or pastor that you know who you trust-- a known minister-- and I can list to you negative things or sins in him or her. You sin too; everyday. Does sin and wrongdoing make a person's teaching or doctrine wrong? When you attack a person's doctrine, you're already in the wrong; but when you attack a person's character and say basically that because they have character flaws, then their doctrines are wrong, then you're really begging God to not forgive your character flaws. You're reproving a person's character and adding claims that most people haven't heard in an effort simply to defend your argument. You apparently cannot see how monstrously evil that is.
You said that those two ministers were found in sin; the implication is that we should reject their testimony, etc. What about ministers who have never been caught in sin or who seem on the outside to be good people? Should we receive all they have to offer? First of all, find me those supposed deathbed confessions. Secondly, ask me about Christians who I've seen who are demonized. If you've already made up your mind what to believe, your pride will not allow you to admit differently. It's not about the Bible but about you being right (or perhaps you not being wrong). When the Pharisees could find nothing wrong with Jesus, they targeted His character; they did the same with Paul and others. If you can prove that a person is bad, then you can get everyone to reject all they have to offer. After all, Jesus' hometown people did it. I know a minister now who is living in sin, and it isn't apparent on the surface; but if the minister preaches from God's Word, then the Lord is present. You can't disqualify a person's preaching or teaching by shining light on character flaws or even sins. It's okay to you because that's how unbelievers and Christians around you operate; but it is criminal as far as God is concerned.
I hope you realize what you're doing and forget about the supposed repentance of Prince and the Hammonds but focus on your own need for repentance. John Bevere has written excellent books; if he was caught in the worst sins, should I decry and disqualify his teachings? When you seek to disqualify the teachings of a minister by attacking or pointing out their character or sins, you are grieving the Holy Spirit. Read about David and King Saul. King Saul was wrong, but when David simply showed less than honorable intentions against Saul (only cut off the edge of his robe so he could show off with it), the Holy Spirit was grieved and struck David with conviction. If you feel justified, get it right before you travel all the way down the wrong way: you aren't. What you're doing isn't holy, but God is and judges us by His holiness and not by our 'good intentions'. Examine yourself to see whether or not you are in the faith. And stick around long enough don't die off yet. In time, demonized Christians will surface everywhere and will be common knowledge. As long as there isn't much of a ministry for them, you won't see them; when genuine ministry comes, just as when Jesus came, then needy people will surface everywhere. At this time, most Christians who know they are demonized hide it because they don't want to be stoned by people like you; others have no idea what is holding them back, why happiness is out of reach, and what seems to constantly be nipping at their ankles. Get your heart right, man. Christianity, contrary to what you know, isn't about right or wrong opinions and doctrines; it's about caring for people because God lives in you.
You said that those two ministers were found in sin; the implication is that we should reject their testimony, etc. What about ministers who have never been caught in sin or who seem on the outside to be good people? Should we receive all they have to offer? First of all, find me those supposed deathbed confessions. Secondly, ask me about Christians who I've seen who are demonized. If you've already made up your mind what to believe, your pride will not allow you to admit differently. It's not about the Bible but about you being right (or perhaps you not being wrong). When the Pharisees could find nothing wrong with Jesus, they targeted His character; they did the same with Paul and others. If you can prove that a person is bad, then you can get everyone to reject all they have to offer. After all, Jesus' hometown people did it. I know a minister now who is living in sin, and it isn't apparent on the surface; but if the minister preaches from God's Word, then the Lord is present. You can't disqualify a person's preaching or teaching by shining light on character flaws or even sins. It's okay to you because that's how unbelievers and Christians around you operate; but it is criminal as far as God is concerned.
I hope you realize what you're doing and forget about the supposed repentance of Prince and the Hammonds but focus on your own need for repentance. John Bevere has written excellent books; if he was caught in the worst sins, should I decry and disqualify his teachings? When you seek to disqualify the teachings of a minister by attacking or pointing out their character or sins, you are grieving the Holy Spirit. Read about David and King Saul. King Saul was wrong, but when David simply showed less than honorable intentions against Saul (only cut off the edge of his robe so he could show off with it), the Holy Spirit was grieved and struck David with conviction. If you feel justified, get it right before you travel all the way down the wrong way: you aren't. What you're doing isn't holy, but God is and judges us by His holiness and not by our 'good intentions'. Examine yourself to see whether or not you are in the faith. And stick around long enough don't die off yet. In time, demonized Christians will surface everywhere and will be common knowledge. As long as there isn't much of a ministry for them, you won't see them; when genuine ministry comes, just as when Jesus came, then needy people will surface everywhere. At this time, most Christians who know they are demonized hide it because they don't want to be stoned by people like you; others have no idea what is holding them back, why happiness is out of reach, and what seems to constantly be nipping at their ankles. Get your heart right, man. Christianity, contrary to what you know, isn't about right or wrong opinions and doctrines; it's about caring for people because God lives in you.