Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

Ariel82 · Apr 29, 2017

Not sure how much I like this article....will have to read it a few times to decide, but I found these parts helpful...

Among these house-church pastors was Mary, the mother of John Mark, who later became a missionary with the apostles Paul and Barnabas. It was to her house church that Peter came in Acts 12:12 after an angelic visitor set him free from prison.
Another house church leader was Chloe, according to I. Corinthians 1:11.

Acts 16:14-15, 40 tells us about Lydia, Paul's first European convert to Jesus, who offered Paul hospitality in her home. Scripture relates that when Lydia was converted, her entire household was baptized

The brief, personal letter II John is addressed to a church and its pastor, a woman with whom the apostle John evidently had warm ties. John opens the letter, "to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth. .

**** it gives Biblical women she believed were leaders of the early church.

I know it can be debated if they were actually "leaders" or "pastors" but it's nice to highlight the role of women in the Bible to show us how women can function today in the Church for the glory of God.

wolfwint · Apr 29, 2017

Ariel82 said:

Well I suppose we dont find the word preacher in the bibel.
In the different lists where Paul named the gifts ore positions ( Roman 12; 1. Cor.12; Ephes. 4) We find teacher, and evagelist.
There is from the content of a message auf difference.
An Evangelist is preaching the Gospel with the goal that unbelievers will turn to christ.
An teacher is preaching the word of God with the Goal to open the believers the meaning/ will of the word of God.
Both are preaching would we say.
In germany we call a teacher who preaches the word of God Preacher. He teaches the word of God. He has authority. In some denominations the Pastor is also the teacher and teaches the word of God.
In some denominations the Pastor is the teacher and also the Leader of a church. He is doing alone what we know from Paul three brothers would do.
In germany we call somebody who preaches the good news an Evangelist. He is not teaching the unbelievers, but he teĺÖsterreich them from the word of God what they must know what is sin and what Jesus has done to free them from sin.
To preach the Gospel to others has so far nothing to do with the role of an eldest ore of an Pastor.
And so far everybody can/ should be ablegen to preach the Gospel.

wolfwint · Apr 29, 2017

Sorry, I write from Handy with german program. So sometimes the words comes wrong.

I mean : everybody can/should be able to preach the Gospel.

wolfwint · Apr 29, 2017

Ariel82 said:

Ephesians 4v11

English Standard Version
And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,

Berean Study Bible
And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,

***so people use minister, shepherd and pastor to translate the Greek word

4166. poimén ►
Strong's Concordance
poimén: a shepherd
Original Word: ποιμήν, ένος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: poimén
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-mane')
Short Definition: a shepherd
Definition: a shepherd; hence met: of the feeder, protector, and ruler of a flock of men.

Strong's Greek: 4166. ποιμήν (poimén) -- a shepherd

Still reading but was looking up scripture references.

Just glad the term pastor/shepherd is used in the Bible and not just a made up office....now to see if women were forbidden to that role biblically...is it the same as Bishop?

Does it matter?

Why doesn't it say Bishops and deacons?

Are pastors, bishops and teachers used to refer to deacons?

No, the duty of deacones has nothing to do with the dutys of Bishops/ Leader/Teacher/Pastor
You can see this in acts 6 ( Deacons where Set in for practicel service to the church) and in 1. Tim.3. Paul Made auf clear different between eldest and deacons.

Cerwin · Apr 29, 2017

Ariel82 said:

Yes! I'm reading about Mark's mother Mary, who was a diciple to Christ. It was in her house where the Last Supper was and it was where the apostles gathered when Jesus came to talk with them after He had risen. Mark learned of Jesus then because he was only 12 years old at the Last Supper but as you said, he learned a lot walking with his uncle Barnabas. I wish I could remember what city it was where a woman was running one of the churches of Peter. I remember she was as leader in that church. Perhaps one of the learned scholars here remember what lady I'm speaking of?

Magenta · Apr 29, 2017

Cerwin said:

Matthew 26:17-30 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” 18 He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ “ 19 So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.

Mark 14:12-26 (NIV) 12 On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

13 So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14 Say to the owner of the house he enters, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 15 He will show you a large room upstairs, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.”

Luke 22:7-38(NIV)

7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked.

10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 12 He will show you a large room upstairs, all furnished. Make preparations there.”

I am interested in this idea of the Passover Last Supper of Jesus
being at Mark's mother's house. Where did this idea come from?

slave · Apr 30, 2017

Ariel82 said:

I believe that question is the root of whether women should or shouldn't be allowed to be pastors.

It's been on my mind because I believe God has called me to some type of ministry.

I am not sure what role it is but I know He has blessed me and expects me to bless others .

I know he will show me how to help others and where to go.

However, I also believe in using the Bible to test my feelings and innermost thoughts to see if they really are from God.

Right now I feel a call to ministry and have applied to become a Stephen minister.

.I believe going to Stephen ministry training is a good step....that's when you do one on one counseling with people who need prayer and someone to listen to them..men with men and women with women, so folks don't need to freak out about the word minister.

My question goes down to what duties within the church can a woman hold according to the Bible?

I know many people will throw man made traditions and history on both sides of the debate, but from the Bible what are we told?

I will pull what I wrote in another thread and ask your thoughts upon it.

Do you doubt being a tool for God? (I find it reassuring that God gave the words to a man to write

)...You wrote this in a blog ...why did you say this?

slave · Apr 30, 2017

The reason I ask you that question in my last post is because I don't want the anti-god spirit to disrupt your spirit. God's Word shows us so many places where God uses woman: We see woman as a unique gift to men. Genesis 2:18; That woman are instilled with excellence...Proverbs 31:10-31; That a woman's graciousness attains honor...Proverbs 11:16; That woman have a building quality...Proverbs 14:1; and while Jesus spoke of woman with honor of a special notice we also see in Scripture where Hagar, Miriam, Deborah, Anna, Huldah, and even Mary are all examples of woman speaking the Word of God.

So, consider yourself an Ambassador of Christ as well in whatever capacity God would have you be. Just trust that what He has is His Best for you and for us. Smile

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slave · Apr 30, 2017

While the New Testament does not tell us specifically what pastors did, we do know that both men and women provided spiritual leadership for churches which met in their homes. In the early church, almost all Christian meetings were held in private homes. Among these house-church pastors was Mary, the mother of John Mark, who later became a missionary with the apostles Paul and Barnabas. It was to her house church that Peter came in Acts 12:12 after an angelic visitor set him free from prison. The Bible says that many had assembled there and were praying, no doubt petitioning God for Peter's release. Their prayers were answered!

Another house church leader was Chloe, according to I. Corinthians 1:11. In that passage, Paul relates that "some of Chloe's household " had reported that there was strife among the Corinthian Christians. Those Chloe sent with this message to Paul were probably Christians who were members of her house church. They may have been relatives or household servants, or they may have been Christians who lives in the area and gathered at her home for worship. These believers would have come under Chloe's spiritual guidance, care and protection. But Chloe's influence extended beyond her own flock. Evidently, she had sent a deputation from her house church to Paul, who knew her or knew of her, to inform him of the need for correction in the Corinthian church. She was a trusted leader and source of reliable information for the apostle Paul.

Acts 16:14-15, 40 tells us about Lydia, Paul's first European convert to Jesus, who offered Paul hospitality in her home. Scripture relates that when Lydia was converted, her entire household was baptized and that her home became the first meeting place for European Christians. Lydia was a business woman who traded in valuable, dyed garments. The fact that Scripture mentions no husband or father indicates the high prominence of this woman. Since first-century Greek and Roman women were almost always under the legal guardianship of a husband or father, Lydia may well have been a wealthy widow or only daughter who inherited her parents' estate. Thus, she became the head of her own household. She either managed the family business or developed a business of her own after her husband's or father's death.

The Book of Acts says that Lydia's entire household was baptized upon her conversion to Christ. This follows the custom of ancient Roman families. Under paganism, household gods were believed to protect and help the family and its enterprises. Thus, it was the duty of members of these households, relatives, slaves, and their families to worship the gods adopted by the head of the household.

Roman households were often large since almost all businesses were home-based before the industrial age. Those who worked for Lydia in her business, and possibly others engaging in the trade who belonged to the dye-makers guild, would have been among her converts. By virtue of her position as head of household, Lydia had the opportunity and responsibility to lead all of its members to Christ and then to establish and lead them in the faith. This put her in a similar position to the modern-day pastor. To fulfill part of this responsibility, Lydia invited Paul to come and preach in her home.

Paul and Silas established their gospel mission headquarters in Lydia's house and no doubt preached there regularly. After their release from prison, Scripture tells us that they returned to Lydia's and, having met with the brethren, exhorted them. This may have been the first church planted on European soil, and its pastor was a woman.

Another New Testament woman who led a house church was Nympha (Col. 4:15). Paul sent greetings to her and to the church at her house. Some modern scholars try to get around this by saying that Nympha was "just" the hostess, not the pastor. If that were so, who did pastor her house church, and why would Paul so rudely fail to greet the pastor as well as the hostess?

Another woman house-pastor was Prisca, or Priscilla, as Paul often affectionately calls her. Romans 16:3-5 expresses his gratitude to her and her husband, Aquilla. This couple had a team ministry and worked with Paul in planting the gospel in Rome, Corinth and Ephesus. In his Roman letter, Paul sends greetings to the church that met in their house, which they pastored together. I hope these things bring encouragement to you!

3angels · Apr 30, 2017

Hi

To me, both men and women can be use of God. I do not dispute that. I do not think it is necessary to have the title of pastor to be doing the will of God.

I personally believe there has to be distinction between the roles of men and women. Both(genders) equal. Just the fact that God gave men the role of being priest, do not devalue the role of the women. Women plays just as important part in the sharing of the gospel. Jesus also submit himself to His father. And the Holy spirit, on the other hand. Alleviates, the Son. The Holy spirit is working behind the scenes and yet exhorts His influence. All three are equal yet they submit unto each other.

What I see happening is the worldly culture entering the church. Every where you see that woman are being empowered in society. I do not have problem with woman in authority. But there is agenda to change the order which God had created in Genesis. Where one gender is empowered the other gender is disempowered.

Cerwin · Apr 30, 2017

Magenta said:

I study Bible from Logos Bible Study with Dr Bill Creasy, and I'm now on the Gospel of Mark. Mark himself is just on the fringes of being a diciple because he is VERY young when he first sees Jesus, but Mark's mother Mary is a strong diciple of Jesus and lets Jesus and the apostles stay at her house often for their meetings. I would have to investigate further WHY Dr. Creasy says it was probably at this house they had the Last Supper and used the upper room of her home ....but at 12 I thought he said it wasn't likely young Mark would have met Jesus and listened to Him any other way. I don't know if its definitive ...or if anywhere in Scripture Theres actual proof WHERE it was. It made sense the way he describes the life of young Mark. Interesting too is ONLY in Marks gospel do you read about Jesus being surrounded by guards and the disciples all scattering to run away but one boy ...in like his pajamas is caught by the neck of his clothes and he breaks free out of his clothes and runs away naked, all the way home. My teacher thinks Mark is talking about himself, since this has nothing to do with the story. Love reading about young Mark. Creasy brings Bible to come alive.

Cerwin · Apr 30, 2017

slave said:

While the New Testament does not tell us specifically what pastors did, we do know that both men and women provided spiritual leadership for churches which met in their homes. In the early church, almost all Christian meetings were held in private homes. Among these house-church pastors was Mary, the mother of John Mark, who later became a missionary with the apostles Paul and Barnabas. It was to her house church that Peter came in Acts 12:12 after an angelic visitor set him free from prison. The Bible says that many had assembled there and were praying, no doubt petitioning God for Peter's release. Their prayers were answered!

Another house church leader was Chloe, according to I. Corinthians 1:11. In that passage, Paul relates that "some of Chloe's household " had reported that there was strife among the Corinthian Christians. Those Chloe sent with this message to Paul were probably Christians who were members of her house church. They may have been relatives or household servants, or they may have been Christians who lives in the area and gathered at her home for worship. These believers would have come under Chloe's spiritual guidance, care and protection. But Chloe's influence extended beyond her own flock. Evidently, she had sent a deputation from her house church to Paul, who knew her or knew of her, to inform him of the need for correction in the Corinthian church. She was a trusted leader and source of reliable information for the apostle Paul.

Acts 16:14-15, 40 tells us about Lydia, Paul's first European convert to Jesus, who offered Paul hospitality in her home. Scripture relates that when Lydia was converted, her entire household was baptized and that her home became the first meeting place for European Christians. Lydia was a business woman who traded in valuable, dyed garments. The fact that Scripture mentions no husband or father indicates the high prominence of this woman. Since first-century Greek and Roman women were almost always under the legal guardianship of a husband or father, Lydia may well have been a wealthy widow or only daughter who inherited her parents' estate. Thus, she became the head of her own household. She either managed the family business or developed a business of her own after her husband's or father's death.

The Book of Acts says that Lydia's entire household was baptized upon her conversion to Christ. This follows the custom of ancient Roman families. Under paganism, household gods were believed to protect and help the family and its enterprises. Thus, it was the duty of members of these households, relatives, slaves, and their families to worship the gods adopted by the head of the household.

Roman households were often large since almost all businesses were home-based before the industrial age. Those who worked for Lydia in her business, and possibly others engaging in the trade who belonged to the dye-makers guild, would have been among her converts. By virtue of her position as head of household, Lydia had the opportunity and responsibility to lead all of its members to Christ and then to establish and lead them in the faith. This put her in a similar position to the modern-day pastor. To fulfill part of this responsibility, Lydia invited Paul to come and preach in her home.

Paul and Silas established their gospel mission headquarters in Lydia's house and no doubt preached there regularly. After their release from prison, Scripture tells us that they returned to Lydia's and, having met with the brethren, exhorted them. This may have been the first church planted on European soil, and its pastor was a woman.

Another New Testament woman who led a house church was Nympha (Col. 4:15). Paul sent greetings to her and to the church at her house. Some modern scholars try to get around this by saying that Nympha was "just" the hostess, not the pastor. If that were so, who did pastor her house church, and why would Paul so rudely fail to greet the pastor as well as the hostess?

Another woman house-pastor was Prisca, or Priscilla, as Paul often affectionately calls her. Romans 16:3-5 expresses his gratitude to her and her husband, Aquilla. This couple had a team ministry and worked with Paul in planting the gospel in Rome, Corinth and Ephesus. In his Roman letter, Paul sends greetings to the church that met in their house, which they pastored together. I hope these things bring encouragement to you!

Your right ! I was saying Peter but its Paul and Silas, where they had established a gospel mission headquarters with Lydia as pastor. I remember reading about Lydia.

wolfwint · Apr 30, 2017

slave said:

While the New Testament does not tell us specifically what pastors did, we do know that both men and women provided spiritual leadership for churches which met in their homes. In the early church, almost all Christian meetings were held in private homes. Among these house-church pastors was Mary, the mother of John Mark, who later became a missionary with the apostles Paul and Barnabas. It was to her house church that Peter came in Acts 12:12 after an angelic visitor set him free from prison. The Bible says that many had assembled there and were praying, no doubt petitioning God for Peter's release. Their prayers were answered!

Another house church leader was Chloe, according to I. Corinthians 1:11. In that passage, Paul relates that "some of Chloe's household " had reported that there was strife among the Corinthian Christians. Those Chloe sent with this message to Paul were probably Christians who were members of her house church. They may have been relatives or household servants, or they may have been Christians who lives in the area and gathered at her home for worship. These believers would have come under Chloe's spiritual guidance, care and protection. But Chloe's influence extended beyond her own flock. Evidently, she had sent a deputation from her house church to Paul, who knew her or knew of her, to inform him of the need for correction in the Corinthian church. She was a trusted leader and source of reliable information for the apostle Paul.

Acts 16:14-15, 40 tells us about Lydia, Paul's first European convert to Jesus, who offered Paul hospitality in her home. Scripture relates that when Lydia was converted, her entire household was baptized and that her home became the first meeting place for European Christians. Lydia was a business woman who traded in valuable, dyed garments. The fact that Scripture mentions no husband or father indicates the high prominence of this woman. Since first-century Greek and Roman women were almost always under the legal guardianship of a husband or father, Lydia may well have been a wealthy widow or only daughter who inherited her parents' estate. Thus, she became the head of her own household. She either managed the family business or developed a business of her own after her husband's or father's death.

The Book of Acts says that Lydia's entire household was baptized upon her conversion to Christ. This follows the custom of ancient Roman families. Under paganism, household gods were believed to protect and help the family and its enterprises. Thus, it was the duty of members of these households, relatives, slaves, and their families to worship the gods adopted by the head of the household.

Roman households were often large since almost all businesses were home-based before the industrial age. Those who worked for Lydia in her business, and possibly others engaging in the trade who belonged to the dye-makers guild, would have been among her converts. By virtue of her position as head of household, Lydia had the opportunity and responsibility to lead all of its members to Christ and then to establish and lead them in the faith. This put her in a similar position to the modern-day pastor. To fulfill part of this responsibility, Lydia invited Paul to come and preach in her home.

Paul and Silas established their gospel mission headquarters in Lydia's house and no doubt preached there regularly. After their release from prison, Scripture tells us that they returned to Lydia's and, having met with the brethren, exhorted them. This may have been the first church planted on European soil, and its pastor was a woman.

Another New Testament woman who led a house church was Nympha (Col. 4:15). Paul sent greetings to her and to the church at her house. Some modern scholars try to get around this by saying that Nympha was "just" the hostess, not the pastor. If that were so, who did pastor her house church, and why would Paul so rudely fail to greet the pastor as well as the hostess?

Another woman house-pastor was Prisca, or Priscilla, as Paul often affectionately calls her. Romans 16:3-5 expresses his gratitude to her and her husband, Aquilla. This couple had a team ministry and worked with Paul in planting the gospel in Rome, Corinth and Ephesus. In his Roman letter, Paul sends greetings to the church that met in their house, which they pastored together. I hope these things bring encouragement to you!

I am wondering from which scripture proof you take that
Mary, the Mother of Mark; Chloe; Lydia; Nympha and Priscilla were Pastors. Only because their house hold is mentioned? In the verses where Paul set Eldest into the churches he uses the plural Form. Also that what we call Pastor today we find not in the bible. It was mostly a team who led the church. There is no hint which proofes that the above mentioned sisters were Pastors!

Ariel82 · Apr 30, 2017

wolfwint said:

No worries. Spent a semester in Germany, but my German is awful.

You remind me of two Germans I met in Italy. They were very precise in their vocabulary.

I asked them how much a round trip ticket to the island of Capri was and they said "a return ticket is ____ euros"

I said "okay, how much is the ticket there."

Their eyes lite up and they laughed and said "they don't sell tickets there, you have to buy a big chocolate egg, eat the top and paddle yourself there."

After they finished laughing.,, or in between laughs, they told me that a return ticket is the same thing as a roundtrip ticket.

We spent the day looking for the exact spot my postcard was taken, which was a fun scavenger hunt I do in foreign cities to amuse myself. They tired to talk me into "borrowing" a police car by saying that they were put there for tourist to us. I told them sure they were and afterwards you got a free ride to a hotel, complete with bars ...for your safety of course.

It was a lot of fun.

Most of the people I meet were very decent and kind folks.

J7 · Apr 30, 2017

Hebrews 11:31
By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had received the spies in peace.

James 2:25
Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road?

Thus resolving also the faith and works argument

Ariel82 · Apr 30, 2017

slave said:

???

Cuz it's on my mind and I haven't had a follow up meeting with my pastor to discuss the book he gave me.

It's from the United Methodist church General board of higher education and ministry.

"The Christian as minister: an exploration into the meaning of God's call"

I just realized while talking through this thread, that I need to read the book.

The pastor is leaving in June and we get a new one July 1st.

My church and family is supportive of me in whatever calling I feel that God wants me to follow.

Anyway I am going to read the book and post the various offices listed and whether I feel called to them are not.

Ariel82 · Apr 30, 2017

J7 said:

Not really, lol. Didn't know we were having that argument in this thread. Will go back to reading responses.

J7 · Apr 30, 2017

God used Rahab to teach men his truths. Simple.

slave · Apr 30, 2017

wolfwint said:

I never was out to prove Pastorship, that's not the question of this thread. As was stated in sentence one of my text pastor duties were not subjugated by the tyranny of man's ordinances, but were exampled in the meaning of the word Pastor: Shepherding. The trouble we have in many of these threads is that we, as individuals, seek God to answer our questions, instead of seeking God's answers;questions not withstanding. In so doing we are living by the flesh and not by the spirit of God. My biblical account was to answer the question: "Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?" You have become presumptuous of both my intentions, and the question in the thread. The issue is "What Lord, do You want to share with the thread author?"

trofimus · Apr 30, 2017

God used even a donkey to teach a man His truths.

So the use as such does not authorize the lasting position for a church's leadership

Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

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