Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
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Well, I don't know a whole lot about Calvinism yet...but we are saved through faith because that's just how God does it. It begins with the seed of the father. Without the seed of the father, no life will grow. It's impossible. (Except for once! 
) The seed of our Father is faith. That is the seed that is sowed.
Oh, it's nice to meet you - I forgot to say!
) The seed of our Father is faith. That is the seed that is sowed.Oh, it's nice to meet you - I forgot to say!
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word...but isn't there an if clause in there just like in Jeremiah 18.
That "if" you shall confess with your mouth and believe in you heart.
Anytime I see the word "if" then to me it means that you are given a choice or option to do something or not to do something...
Romans 10
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Also verse 13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The rest of the chapter goes on to say that yes, Israel heard...but they did not obey...so in their disobedience unto God, in not putting their faith in him and calling upon him, they were not saved.
Now this is my understanding of it, anyhow...
That "if" you shall confess with your mouth and believe in you heart.
Anytime I see the word "if" then to me it means that you are given a choice or option to do something or not to do something...
Romans 10
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Also verse 13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The rest of the chapter goes on to say that yes, Israel heard...but they did not obey...so in their disobedience unto God, in not putting their faith in him and calling upon him, they were not saved.
Now this is my understanding of it, anyhow...
Ordo salutis(order of salvation) is the logical order, but some happen together. The new birth and impartation of faith happen at the same time.
One is not born again, and devoid of faith. Neither is one devoid of faith and born again. You have to have faith to be born again and you have to be born again to have faith. Not everyone has faith, as evidenced in 2 Thessalonians 3:2.
One is not born again, and devoid of faith. Neither is one devoid of faith and born again. You have to have faith to be born again and you have to be born again to have faith. Not everyone has faith, as evidenced in 2 Thessalonians 3:2.
What verse are you talking about? If in Habakuk, I already responded how it is in my Bible.
"But the just shall live by my faith". Hab 2:14
Many people think this is about Christ and His resurrection, btw. Because there are these verses later:
"...and he, like death not being satisfied, will also gather to himself all nations and will welcome to himself all people."
(Hab 2:5)
So, what I am changing?
"But the just shall live by my faith". Hab 2:14
Many people think this is about Christ and His resurrection, btw. Because there are these verses later:
"...and he, like death not being satisfied, will also gather to himself all nations and will welcome to himself all people."
(Hab 2:5)
So, what I am changing?
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Gods intention is never to destroy life but to give life.
It is in His kindness that He gave the warning.
It appears that the prophet KNEW they would repent, so I have to surmise that God TOLD him to give them the message so they would repent. Because the reason he didn't want to do it appears to have been because he didn't want to be scoffed at as a false prophet when it didn't come to pass.
I would gladly be scoffed and have people laugh at me in order to save so many men alive if my Lord desires to have them. But I didn't always feel that way.
One man said, you never realize what a burden a reputation is until you no longer have one to protect!
It is in His kindness that He gave the warning.
It appears that the prophet KNEW they would repent, so I have to surmise that God TOLD him to give them the message so they would repent. Because the reason he didn't want to do it appears to have been because he didn't want to be scoffed at as a false prophet when it didn't come to pass.
I would gladly be scoffed and have people laugh at me in order to save so many men alive if my Lord desires to have them. But I didn't always feel that way.
One man said, you never realize what a burden a reputation is until you no longer have one to protect!
It's "preceding" faith.
Furthermore, you assume you know what regeneration means.
You don't.
You read something, then go off on a diatribe assuming you know what is meant. This shows you're simply not a studied person, or you wouldn't make these glaring errors and look silly.
Face facts, unless you know everything, there is much you talk about that you just don't understand as if you do.
You also tell others what they believe, even when they show you your erroneous thinking and conclusions.
Instead of teaching down to others with your false assumptions, you need to listen to have real dialog and realize, well, you're wrong. Accept that you're in error, the rest of us do, and humble yourself by ending the false witness. Other than that you'll just continue to repeat your cycle of error on here all day long, probably for months, or even years, to ad absurdum and ad nauseam.
My guess is you're not ready or willing to learn or concede to your false assumptions, like a man.
Furthermore, you assume you know what regeneration means.
You don't.
You read something, then go off on a diatribe assuming you know what is meant. This shows you're simply not a studied person, or you wouldn't make these glaring errors and look silly.
Face facts, unless you know everything, there is much you talk about that you just don't understand as if you do.
You also tell others what they believe, even when they show you your erroneous thinking and conclusions.
Instead of teaching down to others with your false assumptions, you need to listen to have real dialog and realize, well, you're wrong. Accept that you're in error, the rest of us do, and humble yourself by ending the false witness. Other than that you'll just continue to repeat your cycle of error on here all day long, probably for months, or even years, to ad absurdum and ad nauseam.
My guess is you're not ready or willing to learn or concede to your false assumptions, like a man.