Can a battered wife file for divorce?

[Danoded]

So you equate forgiveness to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Spend a few weeks in the emergency room, then ask God if battery is grounds for divorce. It took me several years to open my ears and listen. I pray that you don't take that long to get the answer that I got.

I'm unsure as to what you meant in your first sentence.

Even then, it would still not warrant a divorce. Is it not possible and better to leave your home and pray for your spouse?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I did. But even Jesus was NOT merciful all the time..

So I am wrong to think the teachers of the law in here are in error for refusing justice and mercy for the victims...?

 

[Danoded]

I did. But even Jesus was NOT merciful all the time..

And at no point did Jesus threaten anyone, or once raise his fist. When Jesus was being mocked and spat on, did he ever retaliate? Did ever show resentment towards those that sought to kill him? He called us to be peackeepers, as well as meek, not seeking to wrong those that have wronged us.

[FONT=&quot][h=1]John 10:31-39King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,[/FONT]
[h=1]John 8:59King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.[/FONT]

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[Danoded]

Not true. God forgives ALL sin except that of blasphemy. He understands why the woman is fleeing the marriage. He knows if she stays, she dies by her husband's hand. He knows that under normal circumstances, she wouldn't be running away or seeking divorce. He NEVER meant for marriage to be abusive and He NEVER meant for spouses to get beaten and killed by their partners.

Oh, and God cannot and will not be mocked. The evil one knows what his end is gonna be.

But it does not mean that it is cause for a divorce, only adultery is. The person can flee from their abusive spouse, but they cannot divorce them unless they have committed adultery.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Once again, not true. Jesus called people names, held a whip and threatened to use it on the moneychangers in the temple.. He got angry, you bet your bippy He did..

And at no point did Jesus threaten anyone, or once raise his fist. When Jesus was being mocked and spat on, did he ever retaliate? Did ever show resentment towards those that sought to kill him? He called us to be peackeepers, as well as meek, not seeking to wrong those that have wronged us.

John 10:31-39King James Version (KJV)

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
John 8:59King James Version (KJV)

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

And at no point did Jesus threaten anyone, or once raise his fist. When Jesus was being mocked and spat on, did he ever retaliate? Did ever show resentment towards those that sought to kill him? He called us to be peackeepers, as well as meek, not seeking to wrong those that have wronged us.

John 10:31-39King James Version (KJV)

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
John 8:59King James Version (KJV)

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

How is a woman seeking to be out of a situation in which she and her children are being harmed, seeking to do wrong to the one who has wronged her?

Looking at the law has made you mad, young man.

 

[blue_ladybug]

NOOO... I'm saying WHY should the ABUSER be shown any mercy for what he does..

So I am wrong to think the teachers of the law in here are in error for refusing justice and mercy for the victims...?

 

[Billyd]

I'm unsure as to what you meant in your first sentence.

Even then, it would still not warrant a divorce. Is it not possible and better to leave your home and pray for your spouse?

I'll put it this way. Is a union where one spouse batters the other a Godly marriage? By scriptural definition of a Godly marriage, it is not. It is nothing more than a piece of paper representing a civil union. In God's eyes, civil dissolution of the union (divorce) is not a sin. Even if you wish to make it a sin, God is still faithful to forgive the sin.

Did Jesus ever fail to forgive a sinner who asked him to forgive him?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

NOOO... I'm saying WHY should the ABUSER be shown any mercy for what he does..

Yes, I know what you are saying. You are the one who didn't know what I was saying.

 

[Danoded]

Once again, not true. Jesus called people names, held a whip and threatened to use it on the moneychangers in the temple.. He got angry, you bet your bippy He did..

He never did such things, where are you getting such information from? He corrected people, especially the Pharisees, and called them out as hypocrites, but did not call people names? And where was it ever written that he held a whip and used it to threaten the moneychangers in the temple?!

[h=1]Matthew 21:12-15King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.[/FONT]

 

[blue_ladybug]

A spouse is supposed to be faithful. That faithfulness vanishes when they abuse their spouse. And often times, the abuser already has a side dish (or more) who he treats just as badly as his wife. A woman can absolutely divorce an abusive spouse. Especially if they have tried, or threatened to kill her. GOD WILL FORGIVE HER.

But it does not mean that it is cause for a divorce, only adultery is. The person can flee from their abusive spouse, but they cannot divorce them unless they have committed adultery.

 

[stonesoffire]

If he’s going to try to murder her, he will try whether or not there’s a divorce. A divorce is not going to stop him, just infuriate him more, and bring him in contact with her so that he can do it. If the threat is that bad, it’s best to go into hiding, not come to court where he can find you.

What about the husband loving the wife as Jesus loves His own body? I would say that would be breaking that law that you are espousing in the scripture. Does he beat his wife in love?

You have a odd view of Jesus.

 

[Danoded]

I'll put it this way. Is a union where one spouse batters the other a Godly marriage? By scriptural definition of a Godly marriage, it is not. It is nothing more than a piece of paper representing a civil union. In God's eyes, civil dissolution of the union (divorce) is not a sin. Even if you wish to make it a sin, God is still faithful to forgive the sin.

Did Jesus ever fail to forgive a sinner who asked him to forgive him?

If it is not a sin to divorce, why is there only one biblical ground for divorce, which is the act of adultery? Any other circumstance is a sin.

 

[dcontroversal]

Women beaters deserve to get their *ahem* whooped.. just sayin'

AT the VP fair in St Louis in like 1987 I seen a guy slapping a girl and NO ONE would do anything.....except my friends and I....I absolutely have no use for men who beat women and or abuse children.....serious....brings the Marine out to play and he does not play nice.....

 

[p_rehbein]

Not only should she file for divorce, she should go to the local Court House / Police Station and file criminal charges against the dirtbag who is abusing her. In times past, men of the Community took care of dirtbags like this, but now, they are elected to Office.

 

[Danoded]

A spouse is supposed to be faithful. That faithfulness vanishes when they abuse their spouse. And often times, the abuser already has a side dish (or more) who he treats just as badly as his wife. A woman can absolutely divorce an abusive spouse. Especially if they have tried, or threatened to kill her. GOD WILL FORGIVE HER.

No, she can only divorce her husband if he has cheated on her, no other reason is cause for a divorce, it is a sin.

 

[stonesoffire]

Sons of vipers comes to mind Danoded...are you really 18?

 

[dcontroversal]

Whenever we use violence to respond with violence, satan gain energy. What does it say of our hearts if we wish to harm those that have harmed us, or wrong those that have wronged us? We are meant to be peacekeepers, not brutish people. Of course, beating one's spouse can never be condoned, but in what way does that mean that they should be met with violence as well? Can you raise your fist at another person, or breed resentment in your heart and say that it is truly honourable and righteous in God's eyes? It is not so. We live in a fallen world, where satan will try and use anyone to breed hatred, rage resentment and all manner of evil emotions in one's heart to turn them away from God, tainting the Holy Spirit which dwells within them. Violence should not even be a response for a Christian, and we should always walk away from any fight and not seek to ever entertain one.

This battle we face is a spiritual one, and we should seek out God in all of our actions, and not give satan any room in our lives to lead us astray.

Luke 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

MAN you really need to take about 10 years and study context.....the above is speaking of unjust violence NOT DEFENDING A WOMAN OR CHILD from a VIOLENT MAN.....

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

A spouse is supposed to be faithful. That faithfulness vanishes when they abuse their spouse. And often times, the abuser already has a side dish (or more) who he treats just as badly as his wife. A woman can absolutely divorce an abusive spouse. Especially if they have tried, or threatened to kill her. GOD WILL FORGIVE HER.

Yes, He will forgive her. Who He may not forgive are the teachers of the letter of the law who deign to grind the faces of abused women and children into the dirt and refuse to lift one finger to help obtain mercy or justice. (Or even just a better life while on earth.)

 

[Susanna]

No, she can only divorce her husband if he has cheated on her, no other reason is cause for a divorce, it is a sin.

So if Miss Downstairs casts a spell on you, you're in for the longhaul no matter what, as long as she's not committing adultery?