Disproving Limited Atonement in Three Passages
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Need I ask if our election is based on God knowing beforehand who would choose Him (as some assert) then wouldn't it be safe to say that those are the ones Christ died for.
If you say He died also for those whom He didn't choose before the foundation of the world (regardless the reason for choosing) then what purpose was His death for them?
(This is one of those issues I can argue from both sides.)
If you say He died also for those whom He didn't choose before the foundation of the world (regardless the reason for choosing) then what purpose was His death for them?
(This is one of those issues I can argue from both sides.)
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Predestination is based on God's foreknowledge (Romans 8:29-30)
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
It is not who is predestinated, but what we are predestinated to. God, by his foreknowledge, has predestinated the Christian to a glorious future. God FOREKNEW, but He did not DECREE our choices and behavior. We are NOT puppets and robots.
Limited atonement is false and without it, the other 4 points of TULIP collapse.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
It is not who is predestinated, but what we are predestinated to. God, by his foreknowledge, has predestinated the Christian to a glorious future. God FOREKNEW, but He did not DECREE our choices and behavior. We are NOT puppets and robots.
Limited atonement is false and without it, the other 4 points of TULIP collapse.
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i guess all Christians who believe in limited atonement are over-confident abt themselves. that they are the chosen ones who are seeking God and obey God in every ways. They forget that we all are weak and we all need a Savior. our righteousness is nothing in front of God but like filthy rags.
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
This is the truth. We mortals are not good enuf to be saved. Everyone requires a saviour, not only those who accept jesus Christ, but every one on the earth. They say Jesus is only for them because they only accepted him as Lord. they are dead wrong
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Now is man's free will more powerful than God's working in us? i don't think so. He is powerful enuf to make us do what he wants. So then how can they just say God is theirs because they know to read bible, they listens to God and they have accepted Jesus Christ.
Christian shud be happy that they know God and shud be praying for the rest of the world that God open the spiritual eyes of all sinners like the same way God opened theirs, and live with a hope that all the creation will worship God, instead of spreading the doctrine of limited atonment
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
This is the truth. We mortals are not good enuf to be saved. Everyone requires a saviour, not only those who accept jesus Christ, but every one on the earth. They say Jesus is only for them because they only accepted him as Lord. they are dead wrong
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Now is man's free will more powerful than God's working in us? i don't think so. He is powerful enuf to make us do what he wants. So then how can they just say God is theirs because they know to read bible, they listens to God and they have accepted Jesus Christ.
Christian shud be happy that they know God and shud be praying for the rest of the world that God open the spiritual eyes of all sinners like the same way God opened theirs, and live with a hope that all the creation will worship God, instead of spreading the doctrine of limited atonment
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God planned man's salvation before the creation:
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
This does not mean God arbitrarily chooses who will be saved and who will not be. He has revealed that He wants all men to be saved:
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God knows the future and knows who will receive His offer of salvation; predestination is based on God's foreknowledge and has more to do with what the Christian is predestinated TO than WHO is predestinated. Predestination assures eternal salvation:
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
This does not mean God arbitrarily chooses who will be saved and who will not be. He has revealed that He wants all men to be saved:
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God knows the future and knows who will receive His offer of salvation; predestination is based on God's foreknowledge and has more to do with what the Christian is predestinated TO than WHO is predestinated. Predestination assures eternal salvation:
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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No, Because it would not prove Gods love. and would go against his own character. Not to mention. It would show we earned our own salvation, Becauae he died based solely on what he knew we would do.
To prove satan was a liar. that he is not a respecter of persons. And he is a God of love, offering eternal life even to those he knows would never receive his gift.
To prove satan was a liar. that he is not a respecter of persons. And he is a God of love, offering eternal life even to those he knows would never receive his gift.