Disproving Limited Atonement in Three Passages

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CoooCaw

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all true; no one will be in hell because of their sins

chestertonrules said:
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


1 Tim 2:3,4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior,who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
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Anyone who believes it with all their heart - who practices being crucified in order to help others believe it - you are an angel and have seven letters waiting for you at the mere beginning of the revelation of Jesus.
 
Bookends

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crossnote said:
Need I ask if our election is based on God knowing beforehand who would choose Him (as some assert) then wouldn't it be safe to say that those are the ones Christ died for.
If you say He died also for those whom He didn't choose before the foundation of the world (regardless the reason for choosing) then what purpose was His death for them?

(This is one of those issues I can argue from both sides.)
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IMO, It's not God's foreknowledge by which election stands, but by the ONE elect from the foundation of the world to save those who believe in His name. Thus in Christ we are the elect not because loves us more then others, or personal picks whom He wishes to save, but because some choice to receive the free gift in which God can only offer, therefore it is still God who only saves us.

Why some people don't respond the Holy Spirit, drawing them to the Cross, and some do, still remains a mystery to me. My best answer to this is why do some people like chicken and some don't.
 
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Bookends

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Bookends said:
IMO, It's not God's foreknowledge by which election stands, but by the ONE elect from the foundation of the world to save those who believe in His name. Thus in Christ we are the elect not because loves us more then others, or personal picks whom He wishes to save, but because some choice to receive the free gift in which God can only offer, therefore it is still God who only saves us.

Why some people don't respond the Holy Spirit, drawing them to the Cross, and some do, still remains a mystery to me. My best answer to this is why do some people like chicken and some don't.
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I guess I my trying to say we are elected because Christ's election has been imputed to us, to those who repent, believe, and accept Christ as Lord and Savior.
 
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Bookends

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Bookends said:
IMO, It's not God's foreknowledge by which election stands, but by the ONE elect from the foundation of the world to save those who believe in His name. Thus in Christ we are the elect not because HE loves us more then others, or personally picks whom He wishes to save, but because some choice to receive the free gift in which God can only offer, therefore it is still God who only saves us.

Why some people don't respond the Holy Spirit, drawing them to the Cross, and some do, still remains a mystery to me. My best answer to this is why do some people like chicken and some don't.
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corrections, sorry...

Also... It is God's foreknowledge that He has a people follow after Him... The sheep. So also in this since we are also elect, as a group in Christ.
 
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RickShafer

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chestertonrules said:
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


1 Tim 2:3,4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior,who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
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Oh! Poor little chestertonrulegate.
And I would have answered him/her in a banned fashion as would make him/her/it comfy.

- - - Too Bad.
 
thecreationtutor

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want doesn't mean that it will happen - i want to win the lottery, doesn't mean it will happen

Just because it says He's the Savior of all people,, doesn't mean all will be saved either

1john is a little stronger - the others are arguable
 
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Linda70 said:
Samaritans were a mixed race of Jews and foreigners (2 Kings 17:24-41). The Samaritans were despised by the Jews (John 4:9). Jesus commanded that the Gospel be carried to the Samaritans (Acts 1:8; 8:25).
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Ummm yeah. If you aren't Jew, you are Gentile though. Halfbreeds are not Jews.
 
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TannarDarr

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zone said:
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oh man.....a laugh a minute (not)
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The laugh is at your only defense being ridicule.

The Samaritans were considered unclean because of their "halfbreedship". They weren't to be touched, etc...

They were not jews. Ask any Jew at the time, they were NOT jews.

Now, make another catty remark. As you belittle me and say how arrogant I AM.

At least I make arguments and defend them, rather than attack on a personal basis, which, btw, is usually against the ettiquette in a "christian forum".
 
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TannarDarr said:
At least I make arguments and defend them, rather than attack on a personal basis, which, btw, is usually against the ettiquette in a "christian forum".
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who is a jew?
 
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who is a jew?
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one who's mother was a Jew.

The Samaritans were NOT JEWS by HEBREW STANDARDS, nor anyone's for that matter.

You can posture all you want with your catty crap.

This is the last time I keep an effort with you.
 
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TannarDarr said:
Ummm yeah. If you aren't Jew, you are Gentile though. Halfbreeds are not Jews.
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That's correct...half breeds were SAMARITANS (half Jew/half Gentile). That is why they were despised by the Jews.

More about the Samaritans:
2 Kings 17:24-34 And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof. 25 And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them. 26 Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, The nations which thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner of the God of the land: therefore he hath sent lions among them, and, behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the land. 27 Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land. 28 Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD. 29 Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt. 30 And the men of Babylon made Succothbenoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal, and the men of Hamath made Ashima, 31 And the Avites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burnt their children in fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim. 32 So they feared the LORD, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places. 33 They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence. 34 Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

Verse 32 says the Samaritan people feared the Lord, and verse 34 says they did not fear the Lord. The meaning is clear in the context. They feared the Lord in one sense only--—in the sense of adding him to their other gods and following some semblance of his worship in order to escape his judgment in the form of the ravening lions. But they did not fear the Lord truly in the sense of worshipping Him alone as God and obeying His revealed precepts. They merely intermingled Jehovah worship with their idolatry.

Verse 27 says “Carry thither ONE of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let THEM go and dwell there...” It is probable that one priest went with his assistants and so you have both singular and plural pronouns used in reference to this.
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Hizikyah

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If your father was hebrew you were hebrew.

the pharisees CHANGED it and made if if your mother was hebrew you were hebrew.

Also check Yahshua's lineage, there are non-Hebrews in it yet He is Hebrew.
 
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RickShafer said:
Oh! Poor little chestertonrulegate.
And I would have answered him/her in a banned fashion as would make him/her/it comfy.

--- Too bad.
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Is it lawful for Jesus to do what He wants with that which is His? All I usually see from you are derogatory remarks hiding behind what you do not understand.


1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours (Rick) but also for the sins of the whole world.


1 Tim 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe (Rick).
 
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TannarDarr

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zone said:
really?

please stop using course language here, Brad.
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What the heck are you talking about?

You think MOTHER is course????

What egg did yo uhatch out of?

Do you have anything to contribute, or are you just there to sink your claws in people's backs and ride them for your own kicks?
 
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