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djames1958, thanks for that very revealing confession! As I have taught, for 50 yrs, that Dallas Theo. Sem. is the capital of carnal christianity. A,W.Tozor and I and John MacArthur condemn it. this "faith only" sal. is not found in the Bible. It is of the Devil! You guys corrected somethings; but you when from the frying pan into the fire. You have created an apostate church which will be "left behind' at the rapture.
its actually referring to the band forthangel 
and i think their concept comes from "and the angels will come forth" talking about the end times to reap. not really sure. and about revelation and the angels, i have no clue. i havent studied revelation and im trying to stay away until i learn what i need from the rest of the bible. i notice people who get caught up on future prophecy tend to lose sight of whats really important. i dont want to fall in that trap. trying to be objective about everything until i gain an understanding of my own through my own study and revelation and comparing it with people who have a much more grounded faith and been at it for much longer.
and i think their concept comes from "and the angels will come forth" talking about the end times to reap. not really sure. and about revelation and the angels, i have no clue. i havent studied revelation and im trying to stay away until i learn what i need from the rest of the bible. i notice people who get caught up on future prophecy tend to lose sight of whats really important. i dont want to fall in that trap. trying to be objective about everything until i gain an understanding of my own through my own study and revelation and comparing it with people who have a much more grounded faith and been at it for much longer.
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I have the book "things to come" from dwight pentecost. (one of th ebest books i have read I might add) Although there are some things I question. Not one time to i remember him teaching dual covenant, In fact, he states plainly. Isreal will not be restored until the return to the lord and receive Grace through faith.
M
Please not I AM NOTE ARMINIAN.
I believe eternal life IS eternal. and can not be loat. Also called perseverance of the saints.
so don't look at me from arminian eyes either
I believe eternal life IS eternal. and can not be loat. Also called perseverance of the saints.
so don't look at me from arminian eyes either
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Yes. We are saved by faith, and not of ourselves
God is faithfull even if we are faithless.
Eternal life is eternal. never is it called conditiona.
We are given the seal of the spirit
No where are we told one can lose salvation. Only in misinterpreting certain passages can this be found, Yet these contradict so many parts of scripture. people should see their interpretation is wrong.
It is just mans way of saying I want credit, I want to earn it. So if I want to earn it, I must admit I can lose it.
it is called pride. Which is the root cause of sin in the first place.
God is faithfull even if we are faithless.
Eternal life is eternal. never is it called conditiona.
We are given the seal of the spirit
No where are we told one can lose salvation. Only in misinterpreting certain passages can this be found, Yet these contradict so many parts of scripture. people should see their interpretation is wrong.
It is just mans way of saying I want credit, I want to earn it. So if I want to earn it, I must admit I can lose it.
it is called pride. Which is the root cause of sin in the first place.
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I actually dissect things that are Scofield with a doctrinal scalpel starting with his views of creation. As a theistic evolutionist he tends to have a rather inaccurate view of God's providence and sovereignty. He's far from agreeable doctrinally. Not sure what you are seeing...
Yes, you have quite the right to your opinion. When I state most dispensationalist you must fall in the "rest" category. ;-)
Yes, you have quite the right to your opinion. When I state most dispensationalist you must fall in the "rest" category. ;-)
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I know of very few dispensationalists who believe in dual covenant, I also know very few ammilenials (only ones I truely know are in here) so i do not know who the "most" you are talking about are.
I am retired military, so I have known many people in many states.. so use this as context when you interpret who I knew or knew..
I am retired military, so I have known many people in many states.. so use this as context when you interpret who I knew or knew..
M
Not sure where you are seeing a difference of opinion as far as perseverance of the saints goes. I have the verses charted for when I come across persons who are struggling with certainty of their salvation. Interesting, though, that you would state that an ability to earn salvation results in ability to lose one's salvation. That is an excellent rebuttle to anyone who believes physical baptism is required for salvation. That, however, is for a different thread. ;-)
Did Adam choose to sin in the garden? Adam was not deceived, Eve was deceived. If Adam chose to follow Eve in sin then Adam had a free will. A free will now corrupted through sin. Man ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The burden of that knowledge is the necessity of choice. John 3:19 Jesus tells us that men choose Light or darkness. Their reasons are clear but they do have a choice to make. Men in Romans 1:32 choose sin even though they know the consequences. To say that men cannot choose is to say they cannot breathe.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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If you are not ammilenial, You must believe in dispensations.
I was trying to show you out of the thousands of people I have known, or went to church with, or came across who are christians. I have met very few dual covenant dispensationalists. and ammillenialists.
Most of them are dispensations who believe in salvation by faith alone in the grace of God throughout ALL dispensations.
When I was young, My father got me a scofield reference kjv. I loved studying his notes.. From what I remember, this is the only dual covenant teaching I have heard. and I may even be wrong about this, it has beeen so long I owuld have to get my bible out again and look at his notes.
However, I do remember as a young Christian believing during the tribulation, Isreal would go back to being saved by law. A friend of mine got me to question this and study it, And I found it to be in error.
and this friend was a pre-trib dispensationalists.
I was trying to show you out of the thousands of people I have known, or went to church with, or came across who are christians. I have met very few dual covenant dispensationalists. and ammillenialists.
Most of them are dispensations who believe in salvation by faith alone in the grace of God throughout ALL dispensations.
When I was young, My father got me a scofield reference kjv. I loved studying his notes.. From what I remember, this is the only dual covenant teaching I have heard. and I may even be wrong about this, it has beeen so long I owuld have to get my bible out again and look at his notes.
However, I do remember as a young Christian believing during the tribulation, Isreal would go back to being saved by law. A friend of mine got me to question this and study it, And I found it to be in error.
and this friend was a pre-trib dispensationalists.