GOD'S DISCIPLINE ISN'T PUNISHEMENT FOR PAST SINS...
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Thank you NMBH., same to you! 
I don't come here to argue either and I'm also finding I don't come here to "contend" for the faith either. I think it's more about sharing with other believers here.
There are many good preachers and teachers but I have some favorites that build me up in the Lord every day. They don't agree with one another on some issues but ALL of them believe in the list posted here under "I BELIEVE"
I was just listening to some preachers last night in a question and answer platform. I used to listen to their kind of preaching and teaching all the time and was actually raised on it. While hearing them again it's obvious now why I no longer agree with them the way I USED to. But still they are amazing men of God and I respect and can appreciate them and find them worth listening to for the things we do agree on.
These men are obviously men of God but they are also just human the same as we are. I think we each have to be taught by the Holy Spirit through the Bible personally so we are able to stand strong on our own with Jesus even when some people disagree with us.
To know what we believe and why because it's us and Jesus at the beginning and end of each day. I also think we have to find a good Bible believing church we can come into agreement with that preaches Christ as He is revealed in the Bible and to be able to be accountable to that body of believers.
Today I'm in agreement with a Full Gospel church whereas for years our family went and agreed with Fundamental Baptist churches.
Below is a youtube video with
Duncan, Mohler, Sproul, Zacharias. Questions and Answers #2 [video=youtube;kHTZrxHB-so]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHTZrxHB-so&t=2765s[/video]
I don't come here to argue either and I'm also finding I don't come here to "contend" for the faith either. I think it's more about sharing with other believers here. There are many good preachers and teachers but I have some favorites that build me up in the Lord every day. They don't agree with one another on some issues but ALL of them believe in the list posted here under "I BELIEVE"
I was just listening to some preachers last night in a question and answer platform. I used to listen to their kind of preaching and teaching all the time and was actually raised on it. While hearing them again it's obvious now why I no longer agree with them the way I USED to. But still they are amazing men of God and I respect and can appreciate them and find them worth listening to for the things we do agree on.
These men are obviously men of God but they are also just human the same as we are. I think we each have to be taught by the Holy Spirit through the Bible personally so we are able to stand strong on our own with Jesus even when some people disagree with us.
To know what we believe and why because it's us and Jesus at the beginning and end of each day. I also think we have to find a good Bible believing church we can come into agreement with that preaches Christ as He is revealed in the Bible and to be able to be accountable to that body of believers.
Today I'm in agreement with a Full Gospel church whereas for years our family went and agreed with Fundamental Baptist churches.
Below is a youtube video with
Duncan, Mohler, Sproul, Zacharias. Questions and Answers #2 [video=youtube;kHTZrxHB-so]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHTZrxHB-so&t=2765s[/video]
And another sharing video that shows we can agree to disagree and still find value in the teaching of other Christians we might not see everything eye to eye on.
I value the Christians who come to this site and who share these helpful learning tools and their Godly wisdom to those of us who have not had the excellent teaching or walked through the valley's they have walked through.
They share kindly and generously and respectively but are attacked for their sharing because they referenced a preacher someone may not like or agree with.
This thread is not about any preachers or teachers., it's about discussing the discipline of the Lord and what it's about and what it's not about. The preachers and teachers used are many and varied.
I welcome anyone posting what they think about this topic but remember this is not about arguing regarding the preachers and teachers individual posters use and why and how anyone should disregard their opinions on the subject. That is totally -- off topic.
And Ben.... your sense of humor is TOTALLY APPRECIATED and may your numbers increase here on cc.
I welcome anyone posting what they think about this topic but remember this is not about arguing regarding the preachers and teachers individual posters use and why and how anyone should disregard their opinions on the subject. That is totally -- off topic.
And Ben.... your sense of humor is TOTALLY APPRECIATED and may your numbers increase here on cc.
And another time trying to get the thread on track again.
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"And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us..." That was under the old covenant before the CROSS.
Today in the new covenant we forgive because HE first forgave us. We love because HE first loved us. Now we know the reason we are forgiven and it is not because of what we do it's because of what JESUS did.
He doesn't take back His forgiveness if we don't forgive someone. That is old covenant....His forgiveness is not contingent/conditional on us but conditional/contingent on JESUS. WHO IS A SURE FOUNDATION.
This is the NEW COVENANT.
this is not clarification of what scripture actually says
to state that Jesus taught under the Old Covenant shows a deep confusion over who Jesus is. He is not teaching something that we can overlook or do away with.
He is teaching what God, the Father, Himself does on our behalf. We are forgiven because Jesus Himself first forgave when He said 'forgive them because they do not know what they are doing' He was talking to God, His Father and He died in our stead. It was all about forgiveness which makes saying you don't have to forgive just about the most grievous thing you can say or believe
Jesus gave the parable about the ungrateful servant whose debts were forgiven. but who would not forgive the debts of those who 'owed' him. That parable, applies to everyone who says they are a believer. The debts of that servant were covered by someone greater than he was just like our debts (sin) are. Make the connection.
I believe you have fallen for some very grievous teaching that borders, as some here have already stated plainly in this very thread, on heresy.
Nowhere in scripture do we read that what Paul taught, or Peter taught or John does away with what Jesus taught
To state that what Jesus said is not applicable with regards to forgiving others is a dangerous heresy
This is not a question of 'believe what you want' or a question of new revelation or a deeper understanding
this is the very same question the serpent asked of Eve in the garden. in fact, it is his favorite question
'Has God really said? Are you sure you understand?' now why would God be so tough and mean? no...you misunderstand'
in so doing, doubt is sown into the minds of those who do not have an actual biblical foundation that they can fall back on to prevent this lie from taking root
you are not getting the thread on track with these silly repetitions of you own posts. you are further underscoring your false beliefs and leanings towards false grace teachers preachers who teach that Jesus is no longer valid today
Grab salvation by all means, say thank you, then start claiming all the Old Testament COVENANT promises to Israel while saying Jesus is under the Old Covenant
you make no sense. you claim the OT with OC is gone, but yet claim all the promises that were contingent upon the part of the 2nd party to the Covenant, Israel, obeying God
you DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A COVENANT IS. A covenant...any covenant...is represented by TWO parties
in order for the covenant to be valid, each party must fulfill their obligations to that covenant
yet, the teaching you adhere to, is bizarre. it is a teaching that denies Jesus' teaching, yet mistakenly brags about salvation and a new covenant and WRONGLY stating the OC is gone...
The New Covenant, is the fulfillment of the Old and it was fulfilled and completed by Jesus
what is the part you should play?
Obedience to the words of Christ. He is going to judge and it will be harsh for those who teach we never had to listen to Him
whoever they may be, they will most definately be listening on the day of Judgement. There will be a reckoning on that day for this false teaching and those false teachers WILL be listening on that day and they WILL be obedient on that day when Jesus tells them to get out of His sight because He never knew them
I am becoming convinced that those words will apply to the teachers that described as not taking Jesus at His word
woe to those who teach that lie and woe to those who believe it.
the so called miracles they will claim they did, will mean nothing. Jesus will say He never knew them
how can someone say they know Jesus while saying you don't have to obey Him?
God help those who actually have fallen for that satanic lie and doctrine of demons
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that's right joanie. I see you are currently in this thread.
you posted it, someone else changed the direction and now myself and others are having to correct the lies of the false grace teachers
it is ridiculous to tell people they cannot post in a thread because you started it
no one is paying any attention to you because this is a public forum
which you keep forgetting
the TOS never state that everyone has to agree in order to post in a thread..ANY thread
read them and stop trying to add to them
you posted it, someone else changed the direction and now myself and others are having to correct the lies of the false grace teachers
it is ridiculous to tell people they cannot post in a thread because you started it
no one is paying any attention to you because this is a public forum
which you keep forgetting
the TOS never state that everyone has to agree in order to post in a thread..ANY thread
read them and stop trying to add to them
You should start your own thread on the subject then 7seas. Stop coming on my threads derailing the topic. I can't convince you I'm not a villainous outlaw and I'm not going to try to. Discussing the topic is good and right.., attacking people personally for not agreeing with you is not.
IF I was such a horrible anti Christ person who's only goal is to spread heresy, I would not be allowed on CC and if you have questions and concerns about it you should ask the owner who has allowed me here. Take up your cause with him and not me. You only continue to stir up strife going against the rules of the Christian chat site.
IF I was such a horrible anti Christ person who's only goal is to spread heresy, I would not be allowed on CC and if you have questions and concerns about it you should ask the owner who has allowed me here. Take up your cause with him and not me. You only continue to stir up strife going against the rules of the Christian chat site.
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If you want a safe space where you can post your ideas and be able to control comments, why don't you do them in a CC blog? This is really not the right format for your needs. You know your doctrine is controversial, yet you post, and still complain when others disagree. You would avoid the controversy you don't like with blog posts.
Also, if you're so offended by people hijacking your threads, why didn't you admonish JGIG for initiating that by posting off-topic links?
Also, if you're so offended by people hijacking your threads, why didn't you admonish JGIG for initiating that by posting off-topic links?