GOD'S DISCIPLINE ISN'T PUNISHEMENT FOR PAST SINS...

[7seasrekeyed]

I would be curious to know how you see Jesus? how do you view Jesus since Farley says His teachings are harsh on page 89 of one of his books..the one entitled 'God Without Religion'?

I'm wondering if you can actually discuss the teaching of Farley without personal insult towards someone you disagree with?

I am wondering if you agree with Farley's assessment of the gospels and his view of what Jesus taught?

in my own post above, I ask simple questions and have asked them twice now

instead the thread is spammed with advertising for Farley's site and messages

please, do go and check him out for yourself

and I am told I slander him

I don't know. did I say something false? no I didn't. I quote him verbatim, anyone can read it and decide for themselves if he is false or not

that, isn't slander, but hyperbole which is not anything but smoke. it certainly isn't factual

 

[7seasrekeyed]

There used to be a fellow here who over many posts revealed how the flesh is "obliterated". This is what I gathered. I really should go back through his posts and insert links to where all of this is found.

The flesh and the body are considered to be separate and distinct. In other words, mental separation is made between the flesh and the body, which allows for the belief that the body is sinless. The sinful flesh, then, simply becomes an idea that is compartmentalized in the mind and discarded (ignored, denied) because it is the old man that was crucified and no longer exists. This process of denying the existence of sinful flesh and identifying only with the incorruptible spirit and sinless body is what they call the renewing of the mind.

The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament has a good description of this mental dissociation process in which a person only identifies with what they want to be (their identity as the righteousness of GOD), and blots out any consciousness or idea contrary to it (their sin nature).

f. Gnosticism offers a radical solution to the conflict of conscience. It is true that instances are very sparse. But the basic dualistic solution involves a full separation between the two egos. The true I of the Gnostic is identical with the divine world of light, while the other I belongs to the chaotic world and is thus to be abandoned. In the final analysis, then, there is no bad conscience for the Gnostic. Naturally this opens the door not merely to asceticism but also to libertinism.​

Paul talks about the two 'I's (egos) mentioned above in Romans 7-8, in which victory is found, not through denial of the sinful flesh's existence, but through not obeying it in grace through faith.

yes. I think I know who you are talking about. he also used to post videos by Farley

this is old stuff here and has been discussed to death

however, Farley's teaching fits into the category of the topic the mods have asked to avoid, reminder of which I posted above but I think you are familiar with it

this teaching borders on Gnostic teaching IMO

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Aaand in saying that, she went on to accuse 7seas of slander without any evidence whatsoever while trying to make her look ridiculous.

Nice..... real nice.

All I've read is you saying Farley is great, he preaches good, & teaches true doctrine....... which, BTW, you never proved that either.

Basically, we're supposed to believe you at face value.

I don't do that with anybody.

You must think mighty highly of yourself since all you've said in the whole thread is, "He's great because I said so."

Unfortunately, we who know better don't think so highly of you, because we've seen the way you operate.

oh you saw that, did you? LOL!

I'm not familiar with her as I think she was here before me but hasn't posted in a long time

I am now properly introduced. hahahaha

with reference to the bold type above, that is exactly what she has done.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

7seas did slander Farley, while claiming that she went to Farley's site and had listened to some of Farley's teachings, yet she posted her proof from Paul M. Elliott's site. Go back and see.




That's why I posted links to Farley's site and some of what I consider to be representative of his teachings so that folks can make up their own minds.



I wouldn't expect you or anyone else to do that. That's why I posted the links .




I didn't say he was great because I said so. I posted links to a few of his teachings so that folks could check him out for themselves. SEVERAL TIMES.



If you're offended by me providing proof for my assertions and links so that folks can evaluate and check out what Farley actually says, well, I can live with that.

Here are the links again for anyone who's interested. Thanks for the opportunity to post them again!

That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).

Some particularly good selections:

• Is That Really in the Bible?
• It's Not About Yout
• Romans - The Gift of Righteousness
• Hebrews
• 1 John
• Hot Spots

• Series Page

Oh, and here's the teaching that has to do with the OP. It's a very encouraging and edifying look at the language regarding the discipline of God as taught in Hebrews 12:

• Hebrews: Part 13 – By His Stripes Or Ours

Enjoy!

-JGIG

baloney

I guess you need to be told again that anyone can read what I posted

as has been said, you have proven nothing other than you have an obvious lack of tolerance for people with a better understanding of Farley that you do.

you believe he is a great teacher. I consider his teaching heresy...at least parts of it

you do not seem able to stick to the facts

it is possible to discuss the op, a variation of the op and other things that come up in a thread...like the intro of Farley, without discussing the person who does not agree with you

however, Ben, Joanie and now you prefer to discuss the people who disagree with you

but we can all see that for ourselves

so knock yourself out with more jabs etc. I now understand that is your style. I see that often in these copy/paste op and now I see it with you too.

thanks but no thanks

 

[joaniemarie]

This thread is not about any preachers or teachers., it's about discussing the discipline of the Lord and what it's about and what it's not about. The preachers and teachers used are many and varied.

7seas you have covered this thread with your opinions about certain preachers and teachers and I've already asked you not to take this thread off topic.

I welcome anyone posting what they think about this topic but remember this is not about arguing regarding the preachers and teachers individual posters use and why and how anyone should disregard their opinions on the subject. That is totally -- off topic.

 

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God’s discipline isn’t PUNISHMENT for past sins!​

The truth about “The chastening of the Lord” is probably the most confusing subject in the church world today. It has kept many believers in fear of something that is intended to bring peace to their lives. We should never be afraid of the Lord’s chastening. Rather, we should invite it into our lives and open our hearts to it. Why? It will help us experience the peace of God.


This short teaching is intended to clear up any misunderstanding or confusion you may have about what “chastening” really is.


God’s discipline isn’t punishment for past sins. It is godly instruction, insight, and wisdom for the future. You see, if God punishes you for past sins, He would have to apologize to Jesus who took our punishment for all sins. Besides, how can God punish you for past sins when He gave you His word, “He would never remember your sins again"? (Hebrews 12:8).


“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth” (Hebrews 12:6).


If you study the origins of the word “chasten,” you will understand that the Greek word from which it is derived simply means “to train up as a child.” However, over time, translators and some early church fathers reinterpreted the meaning of the word to imply punishment.


Since Jesus showed us the character of His Father, we can easily see that Jesus “chastened” His disciples, but He didn’t punish them. For example, when they passed through Samaria, the Samaritans wouldn’t let Jesus and His disciples spend the night. The disciples were angry about this and asked Jesus if they should call fire down from heaven upon the Samaritans for their egregious insult to them. Jesus responded by correcting – aka chastening them – with truth. He said, “You don’t know what spirit you are of. I didn’t come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”


Let’s read the following verses that describe chastening and show its effects and results.


“If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons” (Hebrews 12:7-8).


God corrects us because He is our Father, and we are His children. A loving father has a responsibility to train and correct His children. Needless to say, this correction isn’t always pleasant. In fact, at times it can create inner turmoil as we make the necessary adjustments to our thoughts and belief systems.


This is what the word “scourging” in verse 6 refers to. No doubt, reevaluating what you once believed or thought to be true can be traumatic. And so, I am sure the disciples were conflicted when Jesus rebuked them for wanting to call fire down to destroy the Samaritans. He pointed out their hearts weren’t seeing things as they should. Jesus also explained to them His purpose wasn’t to destroy people’s lives; it was to save them.


The disciples’ views and beliefs did not align with Jesus’. They believed it was OK to call down judgment if people didn’t do what was expected of them. But Jesus chastened/corrected them for believing what they did. Why? Jesus knew that in the future, a different type of fire would sweep across Samaria saving and delivering the entire city (Acts 8:14-17).
If Jesus didn’t correct the disciples about their wrong views and beliefs, they couldn’t have been used mightily in Samaria.


Let’s keep following this insight into chastening, which the author of Hebrews is helping believers understand.


Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless, afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby (Hebrews 12:9-11).


A comparison is made in the preceding verses between our natural fathers whom we honor and our heavenly Father whose corrections lead us to profitable, fruitful lives where we experience God’s holiness and His peace.


Clearly, the discipline of God isn’t punishment but godly instruction and wisdom for your future. Jesus’ disciples experienced His chastening for their wrong views. They had to realize that their beliefs and purpose were out of sync with what Jesus believed and His purpose. Later, we see the fruit of peace fills the hearts of His disciples as they joyfully went to the same Samaritans they previously wanted to destroy.


We should all crave God’s discipline and never be afraid of it. It will always keep our hearts in peace and produce the fruits of righteousness.


​Devotional by Ed and Laurie Elliot
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Back on topic.

 

[UnderGrace]

Andrew Farley was formerly a professor of linguistics at the Roman Catholic University of Notre Dame.

Like anyone really believes that Notre Dames is presently comprised of only Roman Catholics, interesting how that is stressed in the sentence though.

Good observation JGIG.

As they say the devil in the details.

Yet you didn't quote from Dr. Andrew Farley's About Page (https://andrewfarley.org/about/), you quoted from Dr. Paul M. Elliott's page, and Elliott's page classifies Farley's teaching as heresy.





This is from AndrewFarley.org:

My Biography

I grew up in Warrenton, Virginia on a horse farm called Summerfield Farm. My father Guy Farley was an attorney and later worked in the hotel business. My mother Leslie Farley was a schoolteacher and later a Christian counselor. She still lives in Virginia where my brother Will and my sister Amanda also reside.

I attended high school at Emmanuel Christian School in Manassas, VA. I earned my bachelor’s degree at Furman University, my master’s degree at University of Georgia, and my doctorate at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

Over the last two decades, I have served as a professor of linguistics at University of Notre Dame and at Texas Tech University. I also serve as lead pastor of Church Without Religion here in west Texas.

My Family

I have been married to my wife, Katharine, for sixteen years. We have one son, Gavin, and we live in west Texas. In our free time, we all enjoy snow sports, watersports, and travel together.
​

Andrew Farley was never a Catholic, but was brought up in Evangelicism.

But you would know that, if you had really listened to his stuff.

Here's Andrew Farley's website, again: Andrew Farley Ministries



-JGIG

 

[Lewiz]

This thread is not about any preachers or teachers., it's about discussing the discipline of the Lord and what it's about and what it's not about. The preachers and teachers used are many and varied.

7seas you have covered this thread with your opinions about certain preachers and teachers and I've already asked you not to take this thread off topic.

I welcome anyone posting what they think about this topic but remember this is not about arguing regarding the preachers and teachers individual posters use and why and how anyone should disregard their opinions on the subject. That is totally -- off topic.

Actually, it was JGIG that began steering you Op off course by bragging about her hero Farley, then N6 countered it because she was glorifying a known heretic.

Here it is below:

That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).

Some particularly good selections:

• Is That Really in the Bible?
• It's Not About Yout
• Romans - The Gift of Righteousness
• Hebrews
• 1 John
  
• Hot Spots

• Series Page

Enjoy!

-JGIG

Beware of Hyper-Grace: Andrew Farley and Jeremy White


https://standforthefaith.com/2017/09/21/beware-of-hyper-grace-andrew-farely-and-jeremy-white/

If JGIG hadn't did that, this would have never happened.

 

[Angela53510]

Wow! I had no idea there was yet another hypergrace guru, full of false doctrine and ripping down the Bible and Christianity like this Farley.

So, I decided I would click on some of those links JGIG posted, and read what he wrote! It’s all videos! He never even transcribed what he wrote. Who does that?

I’m a reader, but I will not be buying his book. At least, not till I feel ready to rip it apart.

I am just sick to death of JGIG popping in once in a blue moon, and telling the whole world what an expert she is on everything, oh, read - or watch- this latest heretic.

Yes, I’d call it an “attack.” She just diverted this whole post, which was bad enough as it was, but she took the tone down to a whole new level.

I appreciate 7keys, HeRose and Lewiz going though his works and pointing out the errors. As for me, I’m into gardening right now. But, when I see this kind of utter blasphemy that JGIG puts out, I just had to speak out.

Oh, and the love feast between Joanie and JGIG, hilarious!!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Back on topic.

Yeah. Back on topic is more nonsense from the Hyper-Grace crowd. Let's examine this gem carefully:

If you study the origins of the word “chasten,” you will understand that the Greek word from which it is derived simply means “to train up as a child... Clearly, the discipline of God isn’t punishment but godly instruction and wisdom for your future.”

So if Christians are to believe this person, God never punishes His children, and scourging does not mean scourging.

But that CONTRADICTS Scripture, in which we are told that just as human fathers punish their children to put them on the right track, God chastens and scourges His children to put them on the right track.

The issue of "past sins" is a straw man, since these Hyper Grace preachers tell Christians not to deal with THEIR PRESENT SINS. Every believer knows that the past has been dealt with when he or she repented and received Christ as Lord and Savior. But the present needs to be dealt with, and God has given us clear instructions about that. So let us look at Scripture:

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?... And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: [DIED IMMEDIATELY] and great fear came on all them that heard these things... Then Peter said unto her [Sapphira his wife], How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: [DIED IMMEDIATELY] and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. (Acts 5:3,5,9,10)

Were Ananias and Sapphira children of God? Absolutely. The previous chapter tells us And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul.

But they lied to God and were judged -- punished -- immediately. And the Apostle John tells us that as regards Christians "there is a sin unto death". The apostle Paul tells us that those who partook of the Lord's Supper unworthily (without examing themselves, confessing their sins, and repenting) were judged by becoming physically weak, sick, or dying prematurely ("many sleep").

Yet these Hyper Grace preachers continue to preach lies about these matters, and this OP is another attempt to foist FALSE DOCTRINE on believers. So there is not need to get "back on topic" since all it is is more spiritual nonsense.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Wow! I had no idea there was yet another hypergrace guru, full of false doctrine and ripping down the Bible and Christianity like this Farley.

So, I decided I would click on some of those links JGIG posted, and read what he wrote! It’s all videos! He never even transcribed what he wrote. Who does that?

I’m a reader, but I will not be buying his book. At least, not till I feel ready to rip it apart.

I am just sick to death of JGIG popping in once in a blue moon, and telling the whole world what an expert she is on everything, oh, read - or watch- this latest heretic.

Yes, I’d call it an “attack.” She just diverted this whole post, which was bad enough as it was, but she took the tone down to a whole new level.

I appreciate 7keys, HeRose and Lewiz going though his works and pointing out the errors. As for me, I’m into gardening right now. But, when I see this kind of utter blasphemy that JGIG puts out, I just had to speak out.

Oh, and the love feast between Joanie and JGIG, hilarious!!

I had no idea it was ok for Christians to deny what they say here and act like they sit on a throne and we all must bend the knee and kiss the ring

is it me? or does this false teaching seem to create a culture of plausible deniability among its recruits?

you can get whiplash reading JGIG's posts

 

[Nehemiah6]

...you can get whiplash reading JGIG's posts

I'm sure JGIG has you properly insured.

 

[joaniemarie]

Angela., 7seas, Nehemiah, lewis.., It's obvious you guys do not respect the opinions or the rights of others on CC to freely share and express our Christian faith and encourage our brethren in the Love of Jesus and the Bible.

According to you guys by your obvious constant angry posts here., I and others on CC who are paying members have no right to listen to the Christians we like nor are we allowed according to you to share what we have learned here in this thread and other threads on these forums about Jesus Christ and our relationship with Him.

If you owned this Christian chat site it would be different., but you don't and I have not posted anything that is against the rules here. I'm a born again Christian woman who values this place and enjoys posting here when I don't have to deal with this malarkey

I'm tired of this nonsense and I'm going to report this constant BARRAGE to the powers that be here on CC.

 

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God’s discipline isn’t PUNISHMENT for past sins!​

The truth about “The chastening of the Lord” is probably the most confusing subject in the church world today. It has kept many believers in fear of something that is intended to bring peace to their lives. We should never be afraid of the Lord’s chastening. Rather, we should invite it into our lives and open our hearts to it. Why? It will help us experience the peace of God.


This short teaching is intended to clear up any misunderstanding or confusion you may have about what “chastening” really is.


God’s discipline isn’t punishment for past sins. It is godly instruction, insight, and wisdom for the future. You see, if God punishes you for past sins, He would have to apologize to Jesus who took our punishment for all sins. Besides, how can God punish you for past sins when He gave you His word, “He would never remember your sins again"? (Hebrews 12:8).


“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth” (Hebrews 12:6).


If you study the origins of the word “chasten,” you will understand that the Greek word from which it is derived simply means “to train up as a child.” However, over time, translators and some early church fathers reinterpreted the meaning of the word to imply punishment.


Since Jesus showed us the character of His Father, we can easily see that Jesus “chastened” His disciples, but He didn’t punish them. For example, when they passed through Samaria, the Samaritans wouldn’t let Jesus and His disciples spend the night. The disciples were angry about this and asked Jesus if they should call fire down from heaven upon the Samaritans for their egregious insult to them. Jesus responded by correcting – aka chastening them – with truth. He said, “You don’t know what spirit you are of. I didn’t come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”


Let’s read the following verses that describe chastening and show its effects and results.


“If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons” (Hebrews 12:7-8).


God corrects us because He is our Father, and we are His children. A loving father has a responsibility to train and correct His children. Needless to say, this correction isn’t always pleasant. In fact, at times it can create inner turmoil as we make the necessary adjustments to our thoughts and belief systems.


This is what the word “scourging” in verse 6 refers to. No doubt, reevaluating what you once believed or thought to be true can be traumatic. And so, I am sure the disciples were conflicted when Jesus rebuked them for wanting to call fire down to destroy the Samaritans. He pointed out their hearts weren’t seeing things as they should. Jesus also explained to them His purpose wasn’t to destroy people’s lives; it was to save them.


The disciples’ views and beliefs did not align with Jesus’. They believed it was OK to call down judgment if people didn’t do what was expected of them. But Jesus chastened/corrected them for believing what they did. Why? Jesus knew that in the future, a different type of fire would sweep across Samaria saving and delivering the entire city (Acts 8:14-17).
If Jesus didn’t correct the disciples about their wrong views and beliefs, they couldn’t have been used mightily in Samaria.


Let’s keep following this insight into chastening, which the author of Hebrews is helping believers understand.


Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless, afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby (Hebrews 12:9-11).


A comparison is made in the preceding verses between our natural fathers whom we honor and our heavenly Father whose corrections lead us to profitable, fruitful lives where we experience God’s holiness and His peace.


Clearly, the discipline of God isn’t punishment but godly instruction and wisdom for your future. Jesus’ disciples experienced His chastening for their wrong views. They had to realize that their beliefs and purpose were out of sync with what Jesus believed and His purpose. Later, we see the fruit of peace fills the hearts of His disciples as they joyfully went to the same Samaritans they previously wanted to destroy.


We should all crave God’s discipline and never be afraid of it. It will always keep our hearts in peace and produce the fruits of righteousness.


​Devotional by Ed and Laurie Elliot
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Praise the Lord for He is good His mercy endures forever.

 

[joaniemarie]

View attachment 181078
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Click here:

• Hebrews: Part 13 – By His Stripes Or Ours

A really good teaching on the discipline of God and the 'scourging' language used in Hebrews 12.

-JGIG

Praise the Lord for He is good His mercy endures forever!

 

[joaniemarie]

To the title of the op, all I can comment is, Absolutely!

Praise the Lord for He is good His mercy endures forever!

 

[joaniemarie]

That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).

Some particularly good selections:

• Is That Really in the Bible?
• It's Not About Yout
• Romans - The Gift of Righteousness
• Hebrews
• 1 John
  
• Hot Spots

• Series Page

Enjoy!

-JGIG

Praise the Lord for He is good His mercy endures forever!

 

[joaniemarie]

[for me anyway] God's purpose for disciplining us is to keep us from being condemned with the world, which works are evil.

"For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world." (1 Corinthians 11:31-32)

"The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." (John 7:7)

Praise the Lord for He is good His mercy endures forever!

 

[joaniemarie]

JGIG....That is an accurate way of putting what Nehemiah is doing... CHRISTIAN CENSORSHIP. No ONE Christian teacher or preacher is going to teach or preach everything we already know. And not all Christians agree on every single topic from A-Z

But what we all do believe are the foundational truths of the Christian faith and I think that needs to be posted again especially for those who want to censor anyone and everyone who is not like them.

WE BELIEVE

• In one God, who exists in three Persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He is loving, holy and just.
• That the Bible is God’s Word. It is inspired and accurate. It is our perfect guide in all matters of life.
• That sin has separated us all from God, and that only through Jesus Christ can we be reconciled to God.
• That Jesus Christ is both God and Man. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took all our sins upon Himself, died and rose again. Today, He is seated at the right hand of the Father as our High Priest and Mediator.
• That salvation is God’s gift to us. It is available to anyone who confesses the Lord Jesus with their mouth and believes that God has raised Him from death to life.
• That water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of God and a testimony of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
• That the Holy Spirit is our Comforter. He guides us in all areas of our lives. He also blesses us with spiritual gifts and empowers us to yield the fruit of the Spirit.
• That the Holy Communion is a celebration of Jesus’ death and our remembrance of Him.
• That God wants to transform, heal, and provide for us, so that we can live blessed and victorious lives that will impact and help others.
• That we are called to preach the gospel to all nations.
• That our Lord Jesus Christ is coming back again just as He promised.

Praise the Lord for He is good His mercy endures forever!

 

[joaniemarie]

Many Christians read 1 John 1:9 differently than others. That is not a sin nor is it heresy. Many Christians see 1 John 1:9 differently than we once did and that is our choice. Just as it is anyone's choice to disagree. Thus... we agree to disagree. We don't call each other names or fight one another. That is not from the Holy Spirit nor does it show out the fruit of the Spirit in us as Christians.

Gal.5


[SUP]13 [/SUP]For you, brethren, were [indeed] called to freedom; only [do not let your] freedom be an incentive to your flesh and an opportunity or excuse [for [SUP][d][/SUP]selfishness], but through love you should serve one another.
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14 [/SUP]For the whole Law [concerning human relationships] is [SUP][e][/SUP]complied with in the one precept, You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.
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15 [/SUP]But if you bite and devour one another [in partisan strife], be careful that you [and your whole fellowship] are not consumed by one another.
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16 [/SUP]But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh (of human nature without God).
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17 [/SUP]For the desires of the flesh are opposed to the [Holy] Spirit, and the [desires of the] Spirit are opposed to the flesh (godless human nature); for these are antagonistic to each other [continually withstanding and in conflict with each other], so that you are not free but are prevented from doing what you desire to do.
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18 [/SUP]But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to the Law.
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19 [/SUP]Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency,
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20 [/SUP]Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),
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21 [/SUP]Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,
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23 [/SUP]Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [[SUP][f][/SUP]that can bring a charge].
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24 [/SUP]And those who belong to Christ Jesus (the Messiah) have crucified the flesh (the godless human nature) with its passions and appetites and desires.
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25 [/SUP]If we live by the [Holy] Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. [If by the Holy Spirit [SUP][g][/SUP]we have our life in God, let us go forward [SUP][h][/SUP]walking in line, our conduct controlled by the Spirit.]
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26 [/SUP]Let us not become vainglorious and self-conceited, competitive and challenging and provoking and irritating to one another, envying and being jealous of one another.[/QUOTE]