homosexuality

[Tearose84]

The bible states it clearly that it is a sin. I am amused that non-christians use scriptures to battle against christians, but then they don't believe what other scriptures say. I believe when we accept Jesus as our savior, the word of God comes to life and we get the understanding of what it says. To say that some portions of scripture are truth and others are not because they don't fit into our lifestyle doesn't hold up. I don't expect a person who isn't a christian to have an understanding of our God or His answers to life. I don't expect a person who isn't a Christian to understand why his commandments and the word of God is truth to me. But I do believe it is printed in simple words that homosexuality is a sin. I can't have an argument to it when it is so clear.

 

[jools]

If you judge someone's lifestyle don't be suprised he will judge your lifestyle too; it works both ways. Now I guess being a christian, with everything that goes with it, is a very important part of your personality. So if one of the truths you hold dear is being criticized you might get hurt or offended as a person too.
Same goes for gays: if you're gay you can't just decide to STOP being gay, because being gay is too much a part of your personality. So even if you decide to ONLY judge the ACTIONS of someone who's gay, maybe with the best of intentions, that someone might still get hurt or offended as a PERSON. He never chose to be gay, since he was born that way. Being christian, on the other hand, is still a choice. Doesn't that all depend on one's free will to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour?

I believe as the word of God teaches us, when Jesus walked this earth, He spoke that any who lives as He lives, teaching the truth, in spirit and truth, beware that we will be criticized, and in Jesus case, worse. I have been mocked, called a liar, taunted and many things I'm not typing here. It doesnt hurt me to be called these names, for I know who my Lord and Savior is, I let Him take care of my problems and life is wonderful, because of what He has did in my life. I use any and all attacks at me for being a servant of the King as a time to grow closer with forgiveness for who spoke a bad word, or threatened me, for I know who I am, and Whose I am! I'm not scared when people mock or call me names, I pity them.
I have many friends who have chosen to live the gay lifestyle, I do not despise or hate them for the lifestyle they have chosen it's truly between them and God. You have it wrong as many do with the 'born that way' theory. As far as one's free will goes, it has nothing to do with accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior. Free will is about making choices, good or bad. As I have heard many people say, "Why did God let 9/11 happen?" God didnt and He nor satan were flying those planes, but men who took their free will, knowing they were going to die also. I see you're trying to defend gays as if we who use the term Christian, I'm a believer myself, as though we attack them. No dear, I cant speak for others, but Romans 1: 25-28 is really clear on the subject of using the body in an unnatural way. My friend's know I love them, respect them, and they in turn respect my thoughts and the bible's words on the subject. Not one of them has said, 'I was born this way'. They have said, about what ages they were when they felt they were being interested in the same sex, I appreciated their honesty about it. I still love everyone of them, as I love all my friends. If any of them were doing something that could kill them, I would warn them, Ezekial 3:18-21 and chap. 33. to help them realize and change.
You are right, being a Christian is a choice, its when Jesus presents Himself to us in such a powerful way, we cant deny Him any longer and we desire to accept the gift He gave His life for to be our Lord and Saviour. Many people use their free will and dont accept Jesus. That is very sad, still we can pray that some day soon, they will desire a relationship, with God. I pray you, will be blessed in your life, that soon Jesus will show Himself to you in some powerful way, you'll stop running, fall on your knees, and take sweet rest in Jesus! God bless you!

 

[yellow17]

Got called a bigot the other day for explaining to a girl how homosexuality is a sin. I was not judging or using westboro tatics how do we handle this?

Well, let's see... you could handle it by stop being a bigot, because the girl is right, that's what you are and get over your homophobia.

 

[zone]

Well, it was a short stay but now it's time to move on.

do ya feel better now?
bye.

 

[Abiding]

Read the whole of KCKID's original post please.

I dont have to. He says right there Paul and Jude were not referring to private intimate relationships.

Loud horn went off. Dont need to read further.

 

[zone]

Well, let's see... you could handle it by stop being a bigot, because the girl is right, that's what you are and get over your homophobia.

you my dear yellow17; are not only wrong about the poster you responded to, since what was said was:

"Got called a bigot the other day for explaining to a girl how homosexuality is a sin. I was not judging or using westboro tatics how do we handle this?"

so was whoever called him a bigot to begin with:

Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Webster's

words have meaning, yellow17.

something you, as a slanderer may wish to carefully consider:

Well, let's see... you could handle it by stop being a bigot, because the girl is right, that's what you are and get over your homophobia.

"Homophobia is the hatred or fear of homosexuals - that is, lesbians and gay men - sometimes leading to acts of violence and expressions of hostility."
from:
the Hate Patrol
Anti-Defamation League
What is Homophobia < click


Exodus 20:16
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

^ keep that in mind....even though i'm sure ADL appreciates what you do for them, you ought to reconsider.

 

[nathan3]

Well, let's see... you could handle it by stop being a bigot, because the girl is right, that's what you are and get over your homophobia.

Men sleeping with men is a sin. Women sleeping with women is a sin.

 

[GodBible]

Men sleeping with men is a sin. Women sleeping with women is a sin.

What if someone's idea of "sin" is different as yours? What if there is no such thing as "sin"?
What if "sin" is a concept made up in order for people to feel guilty and controlled?

 

[SarahM777]

The bible states it clearly that it is a sin. I am amused that non-christians use scriptures to battle against christians, but then they don't believe what other scriptures say. I believe when we accept Jesus as our savior, the word of God comes to life and we get the understanding of what it says. To say that some portions of scripture are truth and others are not because they don't fit into our lifestyle doesn't hold up. I don't expect a person who isn't a christian to have an understanding of our God or His answers to life. I don't expect a person who isn't a Christian to understand why his commandments and the word of God is truth to me. But I do believe it is printed in simple words that homosexuality is a sin. I can't have an argument to it when it is so clear.

How this this has come about is because they base it off of 8 so called clobber verses. These verses do not really mean what we really think they mean. Part of it comes that many say first the KJV really didn't translate some of the words correctly. And secondly the words in the KJV don't mean the same now as they did then so we really don't know what the Bible is really saying about it,because we have it wrong because it's based off the KJV.

These are the eight verses in the KJV

Genesis 19

19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Leviticus 18

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20

[SUP]13 [/SUP]If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23

[SUP]17 [/SUP]There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 6[/h]
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1 Timothy 1

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Jude 1
[SUP]
7 [/SUP]Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is what those same verses say in the NIV (Just a little bit newer translation)

Genesis 19

19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. [SUP]5 [/SUP]They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Leviticus 18

[SUP]22 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20

[SUP]13 [/SUP]“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Deuteronomy 23

[SUP]17 [/SUP]No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.

1 Corinthians 6

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]

1. 1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

Romans 1

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [SUP]27 [/SUP]In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Timothy 1

[SUP]9 [/SUP]We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, [SUP]10 [/SUP]for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Jude 1

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

I'm not sure but I think the NIV might just be pretty clear on it.

 

[SarahM777]

NOWHERE does Christ even offer a HINT that He approved or disapproved of homosexuality. Perhaps He WOULD have disapproved of homosexuality, I don't reject that possibility. However, we will never know. And, considering how this topic has turned Christianity on its head we would have expected Jesus to have said SOMETHING about the issue. But, He didn't and there's not a thing you can do to change this. So, for me, Jesus' word, as you put it, offers no condemnation for the homosexual. Therefore, I am NOT rejecting Jesus' word in the least, not that I have to affirm myself to you. I would suggest that you clear your mind of the misinformation that you've been taught and study the Bible for yourself. That same advice would also be applicable for one or two others on the forum.

But you forget the context of who Jesus speaks to. Jesus mostly speaks to Jews not gentiles. Jesus didn't have to speak to Jews about what the Mosaic law said about sexual immorality. They were taught the Mosaic law from birth. Jesus says very little about all the other things that would be included under sexual immorality. He did talk about adultery and what makes up a marriage in God's sight. And that is a man and a woman as God intended it to be.

 

[Grandpa]

Well, let's see... you could handle it by stop being a bigot, because the girl is right, that's what you are and get over your homophobia.

Or people could just stop sinning and get right with God...

Homophobia, what a silly word. What you should get over is your Christophobia. Seriously, it could save your life...

I've never been around when someone calls someone else a bigot. I think I would ask for a definition before I consider it a failed attempt at an insult.

 

[GodBible]

You realize that when you take the concept of "sin" out of the equation there's no argument anymore.
It's very simple, try it.

 

[zone]

You realize that when you take the concept of "sin" out of the equation there's no argument anymore.
It's very simple, try it.

i did.
for 40 years.
it didn't work.

 

[zone]

What if someone's idea of "sin" is different as yours? What if there is no such thing as "sin"?
What if "sin" is a concept made up in order for people to feel guilty and controlled?

shake it off and go have a good time?

what are you so worried about if there's nothing to feel guilty about?
some of us have quit the sins you're on about....some of us are in the process of quitting them, and some of us want desperately to quit them.

you don't...so why are you here?

none of us will validate your choices for you.
not ever.

we'll respect your decision...but we will not validate you in your sin.
we can not validate our own any longer....so why are trying to have us do anything different?
there are plenty of places and people who will agree with you....why here?

 

[Jennyyyyy]

brushing the concept of sin under the rug doesn't take it out of the equation.
it just doesn't work that way.
but if you don't believe in Jesus or God, why would you care about sin?
I believe in Jesus and my Father so I believe in sin. I also believe in forgiveness and so does God.
What do you believe?

 

[zone]

So even if you decide to ONLY judge the ACTIONS of someone who's gay, maybe with the best of intentions, that someone might still get hurt or offended as a PERSON.

nobody has a right to not be offended or have their feelings hurt.
get serious.

why do you care what other people say or think?

can i sue the old man who told me he didn't like my sunglasses?
can i take him to court for hurting my feelings?
do i need a pink sunglasses-wearers lobby to punish that old man?

or do i chalk it up to what it is: someone who doesn't care for pink sunglasses.
i can continue wearing them if i choose to.
as far as i know, there's no law against it.

 

[GodBible]

Homosexuality is wrong but slavery is ok?

 

[zone]

guess what [fake] GodBible:

one is currently illegal (though still goes on around the world)
the other is currently legal (and has always gone on)

why do you care what the Bible says? or those who love and believe it?

if you like other men, have at it.
it's a go on homosexuality.

so why all the complaining?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I almost squirted pepsi out of my mouth I was laughing so hard when I read zone's post.

guess what [fake] GodBible:

one is currently illegal (though still goes on around the world)
the other is currently legal (and has always gone on)

why do you care what the Bible says? or those who love and believe it?

if you like other men, have at it.
it's a go on homosexuality.

so why all the complaining?

 

[Elizabeth619]

I almost squirted pepsi out of my mouth I was laughing so hard when I read zone's post.

That's zone for ya. She has spunk! Gotta love her