How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?
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If your old self (i.e., you the individual) was dead you would be without sin, but John says "If we say we have no sin we deceived ourselves" 1 John 1:8
When did He make you alive "in Christ" should be the question because that was my context. In Christ we were made alive 2000 years ago.
If you say belief and repentance saved us, then those things are our Savior, not Christ. Christ saved us 2000 years ago. That work is finished. Then you accepted this.
The punishment of sin is death, right? What places you in death row? Answer: The law! The law punishes the sinner. If Christ died for our sins doesn't that make Him a sinner?
Again, if a policeman gives you a speeding ticket, but you weren't speeding, is the police officer just in punishing you? No! That would be unjust.
Likewise if Christ was punished for something He didn't do, that would be unjust.
Again, if a policeman gives you a speeding ticket, but you weren't speeding, is the police officer just in punishing you? No! That would be unjust.
Likewise if Christ was punished for something He didn't do, that would be unjust.
You quoted my second post and responded with the above, yet your post does not follow my logic; it is a non-sequitur.
In my post #44, I stated that I think your question is unanswerable, because it is founded on a misinterpretation of Scripture. I have not seen an adequate response to that. You side-stepped it, and only dealt with one sentence regarding the subject of Ezekiel 18. I'll say it again; your OP is founded on a misinterpretation of Scripture.
I would also like a direct, honest answer to this question: are you genuinely looking for an answer to something you don't understand, are you looking to argue for the sake of argument, or, if your aim is something else, what is it?
In my post #44, I stated that I think your question is unanswerable, because it is founded on a misinterpretation of Scripture. I have not seen an adequate response to that. You side-stepped it, and only dealt with one sentence regarding the subject of Ezekiel 18. I'll say it again; your OP is founded on a misinterpretation of Scripture.
I would also like a direct, honest answer to this question: are you genuinely looking for an answer to something you don't understand, are you looking to argue for the sake of argument, or, if your aim is something else, what is it?
Yes!
Romans 3:9 What shall we conclude then? Are we (Jews) any better ? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin (i.e., the power of sin). 10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;....19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held guilty before God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Romans 3:9 What shall we conclude then? Are we (Jews) any better ? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin (i.e., the power of sin). 10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;....19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held guilty before God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
I, by God's grace, understand the gospel. The gospel commonly taught among Christianity is what I term an unethical gospel. What does that mean?
Christ dying instead of my old life doesn't answer the just demands of God's law because Christ wasn't the sinner. I am the sinner and therefore my "old life" from Adam must die.
So the full and complete gospel answers How Christ, as God, legally answered the justice of God's law while simultaneously delivering believers from under law to under grace.
Christ dying instead of my old life doesn't answer the just demands of God's law because Christ wasn't the sinner. I am the sinner and therefore my "old life" from Adam must die.
So the full and complete gospel answers How Christ, as God, legally answered the justice of God's law while simultaneously delivering believers from under law to under grace.
Did our "old life" (other versions say "old man"; "old self") die "in Christ" when Christ, as the Son of Man, was crucified?
Yes:
Romans 6:6 "...our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. 7 For he who has died is free from sin.
Q1: When did our "old life" die?
A1: When Christ, as the Son of Man, was crucified and died. That was almost 2000 years ago.
Q2: What is our "old life" according to the context?
A2: The "body of sin" (compare to Rom 7:18-20, i.e, our humanity indwelt by iniquity)
So "in Christ" my "old life" from Adam died in the humanity of Christ as the Son of Man. That's why Paul states that "when One died, all died". See 2 Cor 5:14
Christ's death, as the Son of Man, was literally our death.
Yes:
Romans 6:6 "...our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. 7 For he who has died is free from sin.
Q1: When did our "old life" die?
A1: When Christ, as the Son of Man, was crucified and died. That was almost 2000 years ago.
Q2: What is our "old life" according to the context?
A2: The "body of sin" (compare to Rom 7:18-20, i.e, our humanity indwelt by iniquity)
So "in Christ" my "old life" from Adam died in the humanity of Christ as the Son of Man. That's why Paul states that "when One died, all died". See 2 Cor 5:14
Christ's death, as the Son of Man, was literally our death.
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Here's more proof:
Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law ), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
When the law reveals to you that you are a sinner you go under its jurisdiction. What does the law demand of you?
Obey & live, disobey and die.
So God's law places you in prison awaiting execution (see Gal 3:23). As long as you live you are under the law. Is there a way out?
Yes! Your old life from Adam has to die for God's law to be satisfied.
Did you die the death the law demands? Again, yes, "in Christ Jesus"
Romans 7:4Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law (it demanded your death) in the body of Christ....6 But now (having accepted the gospel) we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound.....
Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law ), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
When the law reveals to you that you are a sinner you go under its jurisdiction. What does the law demand of you?
Obey & live, disobey and die.
So God's law places you in prison awaiting execution (see Gal 3:23). As long as you live you are under the law. Is there a way out?
Yes! Your old life from Adam has to die for God's law to be satisfied.
Did you die the death the law demands? Again, yes, "in Christ Jesus"
Romans 7:4Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law (it demanded your death) in the body of Christ....6 But now (having accepted the gospel) we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound.....
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Yes, we have been crucified with Christ.
Galatians 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me."
Galatians 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me."
