How to spot an anti legalist
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K
How to spot an anti-legalist? You mean a Christian? Oh, that's easy. Someone who believes we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. 
Some have been lead in a watered down version that a profession of Him being our Lord alone is enough, this however is not what the bible says or shows.
Instead of going by our definitions for this or definitions fed to us by other people in leadership roles of the churches we go to, or even by sources from other people. We need to only go to the source itself, the written Word of God !!!
Anything that does not align with His word is a false doctrine.............................
Matthew 7:24-27, Luke 6:46-49, and John 3:16-21 are parallel passages that all show how the Lord Himself defines a true faith in Him compared to a false or no faith in Him.
K
I don't like that term either because I have never said people loose salvation by too much sin !!!
What I said and tried to show was the difference in a believer who is still struggling with sins and a person who claims to be in Christ but still lives a continuous life of willful/deliberate sins........
This is why debates and arguments get going because people misread what another said and then come out with false allegations like this.
What I said and tried to show was the difference in a believer who is still struggling with sins and a person who claims to be in Christ but still lives a continuous life of willful/deliberate sins........
This is why debates and arguments get going because people misread what another said and then come out with false allegations like this.
B
I am curious Ken, How many people do you KNOW who are professing believers and walking in corrupt sin? I personally know of TWO. One is really tragic... saved in 20's, dramatic lifestyle change, season of evangelism and faithful service, then lifestyle became a little looser (embracing grace ya know) then alcoholism, drug use, now THAT man has had gender reassignment surgery, has faux breasts and court documents that say he is a WOMAN. Freakin' TRAGIC!!! His children have had to swallowed the lies (embrace that daddy is now a woman) and this guy goes to the "gay" friendly "churches" because the God loving churches give him too much "judgment" now...so sad. He COULD repent... and no doubt every second he is breathing is because of God's grace... but that is not something you take for granted!
. He COULD repent... and no doubt every second he is breathing is because of God's grace... but that is not something you take for granted!
I am curious Ken, How many people do you KNOW who are professing believers and walking in corrupt sin? I personally know of TWO. One is really tragic... saved in 20's, dramatic lifestyle change, season of evangelism and faithful service, then lifestyle became a little looser (embracing grace ya know) then alcoholism, drug use, now THAT man has had gender reassignment surgery, has faux breasts and court documents that say he is a WOMAN. Freakin' TRAGIC!!! His children have had to swallowed the lies (embrace that daddy is now a woman) and this guy goes to the "gay" friendly "churches" because the God loving churches give him too much "judgment" now...so sad. He COULD repent... and no doubt every second he is breathing is because of God's grace... but that is not something you take for granted!
. He COULD repent... and no doubt every second he is breathing is because of God's grace... but that is not something you take for granted!
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K
I am curious Ken, How many people do you KNOW who are professing believers and walking in corrupt sin? I personally know of TWO. One is really tragic... saved in 20's, dramatic lifestyle change, season of evangelism and faithful service, then lifestyle became a little looser (embracing grace ya know) then alcoholism, drug use, now THAT man has had gender reassignment surgery, has faux breasts and court documents that say he is a WOMAN. Freakin' TRAGIC!!! His children have had to swallowed the lies (embrace that daddy is now a woman) and this guy goes to the "gay" friendly "churches" because the God loving churches give him too much "judgment" now...so sad. He COULD repent... and no doubt every second he is breathing is because of God's grace... but that is not something you take for granted!
. He COULD repent... and no doubt every second he is breathing is because of God's grace... but that is not something you take for granted!
I have a few friends that I have met through my wife that continue to live homosexual lifestyles and still claim to be Christian. I have sat down with them and shared the word of God with them without being condemning or judgmental, and I even have asked them how they feel about their lifestyle and what the bible says about it.
Staying friendly and respectful the whole time, and some of them have made statements to me like this in the past; "I do not care what the bible says I do not believe God would condemn me for my lifestyle because He is all about love."
God is about love and we are to take and administer and show that same love to others, but in that love it also shows that disobedience to His ways is not love. They are walking in a false doctrine right now as no matter what the Word of God says they will not listen to it because of what they have been taught. Unless they come and repent of that way I fear for them out of my love for them !!!
Remember the word of God says there will be some standing in front of Him that will end up weeping and gnashing at teeth at what they hear from the Lord. (Matthew 13:42, Luke 13:28)
Why will they be weeping and gnashing at their teeth, because all of these people thought they were saved !!!
A branch cannot bear fruit except it abide in the....... Vine= the Word of Truth which shows you the Way to Eternal Life
For if the firstfruit (Christ) be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
John 15:4-6 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
For if the firstfruit (Christ) be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
John 15:4-6 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
I was not CORRELATING... that was that man's "explanation" for his slipping lifestyle. Hmmm, you refer to him as a loser... what has he lost?
K
It just AMAZES me that people can actually READ the bible and have an attitude that God's love is "all glitter and rainbows"
Repentance is always a chance for anybody and the bible does not take that opportunity away, but what it does do is show that some people will love that darkness (sins) more then the Light and therefore will never be able to come to the truth.
The thing that gets me in hot water with some is the fact that I also instruct on how the word of God also says multiple times of falling away, departing from, and not continuing in the faith.
Your example you gave is a clear example of that falling/departing from the faith !!!
Repentance needs to be made for them to be saved when this happens.............
B
NOT ONE PERSON on here... who has been referred to a "legalistic" has EVER asserted that the fruit of grace is licentiousness. So I will chalk that up to MORE misunderstanding on your part... some of us... being older than you... have actually SEEN scenarios play out that have challenged our theological thinking... and caused us to notice how the EMPHASIS of grace has caused people to be deceived. We care about SOULS OF MEN. For those "older" folks who have lived charmed lives and never seen the "ugly" things of the world... well good for you... having not seen it... doesn't make it any less TRUE!
Intermission time.
I have determined that it doesn't make any difference what the name of the thread is. The same people produce the same relentless arguments. I had hoped the anti-legalists would stay on their own thread, and the leagalists would stay on this one.
Let's see, who started the same argument as the legalist thread?
Post 1 just-me
Post 2 eternally-grateful
Post 3 posthuman
Post 4 freeNChrist
Post 5 Galahad
Post 6 posthuman
Post 7 InSpiritinTruth – the first one I agreed with. 2 thru 6 are basically anti-legalists
Ok. Now let us look at who posted and started the “how to spot a legalist” thread
Post 1. freeNChrist
Post 2 eternally-grateful
Post 3 Zmouth
Post 4 dcontroversal
Post 5 just-me
Post 6 Zmouth
Post 7 biblicalsandy
I only went to 7 because that's the number of heavenly completeness.
Just-me has 2 points tied with eternally-grateful, and freeNChrist, tied for first place, with all three contributing to both posts.
posthuman has 2 but only contributed to the anti-legalist thread
Zmouth has 2 but only contributed to the legalist thread
Galahad, InSpiritinTruth, dcontroversal, and biblicalsandy came in last with only 1 post for both threads.
Coming around the bend, Just-me, eternally-grateful, and freeNChrist are tied for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] place. I didn't realize that I was just as good as the other 2. LOL
I have determined that it doesn't make any difference what the name of the thread is. The same people produce the same relentless arguments. I had hoped the anti-legalists would stay on their own thread, and the leagalists would stay on this one.
Let's see, who started the same argument as the legalist thread?
Post 1 just-me
Post 2 eternally-grateful
Post 3 posthuman
Post 4 freeNChrist
Post 5 Galahad
Post 6 posthuman
Post 7 InSpiritinTruth – the first one I agreed with. 2 thru 6 are basically anti-legalists
Ok. Now let us look at who posted and started the “how to spot a legalist” thread
Post 1. freeNChrist
Post 2 eternally-grateful
Post 3 Zmouth
Post 4 dcontroversal
Post 5 just-me
Post 6 Zmouth
Post 7 biblicalsandy
I only went to 7 because that's the number of heavenly completeness.
Just-me has 2 points tied with eternally-grateful, and freeNChrist, tied for first place, with all three contributing to both posts.
posthuman has 2 but only contributed to the anti-legalist thread
Zmouth has 2 but only contributed to the legalist thread
Galahad, InSpiritinTruth, dcontroversal, and biblicalsandy came in last with only 1 post for both threads.
Coming around the bend, Just-me, eternally-grateful, and freeNChrist are tied for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] place. I didn't realize that I was just as good as the other 2. LOL
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That's the biggest error I see in this false impression of God's grace, which excuses itself of ongoing sin. They hold back the Truth in unrighteousness by saying Gods love forgives them and even allows them to remain in ongoing sin. So to them love is a one way street in thinking God's love and grace excuses their ongoing sinful behavior, but their sinful behavior proves they do not truly love God.
Love fulfills the law, but Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments. Those who are living in sin do not truly love God, they love themselves more. People who believe Gods grace and love allows them salvation despite their ever ongoing wickedness and sinful ways are sadly mistaken. There is going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Love fulfills the law, but Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments. Those who are living in sin do not truly love God, they love themselves more. People who believe Gods grace and love allows them salvation despite their ever ongoing wickedness and sinful ways are sadly mistaken. There is going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Add faith and that's all there is. Nothing else matters. Believe in Christ and love others makes us well-pleasing to GOD.
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23
Love does not commit evil against a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:10
Love does not commit evil against a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:10