How to spot an anti legalist

[maxwel]

I am so excited there is an entire thread dedicated to trying to spot me!

I'm truly flattered.
Gosh... I'm blushing now.
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Thank you!
Thank you so much!

I love you guys!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How are any of those things that Paul mentioned not either 1) having faith in Christ, or 2) loving one's neighbor as one's self?

In other words and as an example, how can one commit adultery against his neighbor without harming him/her.

Correction: How are any of those things that Paul mentioned not in violation of the commandments to either 1) have faith in Christ, or 2) love one's neighbor as one's self?

 

[just-me]

Correction: How are any of those things that Paul mentioned not in violation of the commandments to either 1) have faith in Christ, or 2) love one's neighbor as one's self?

They most certainly aren't. You are so right on this.
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14

 

[KennethC]

The problem is there are many people who believe you can actually lose one's Salvation just by sinning.

We cannot lose our Salvation by sinning, but this does not mean we are to continue in our sins.

Not by sinning if one has stumbled or is struggling with a sin that they are trying to stop..................Then I would agree with you !!!

But if they continue or return to a sinful lifestyle to where it controls their life again.........................Then I disagree because the Word of God says those who fall away/depart from the faith unless they repent their soul will not be saved !!!

What do you think one is doing when they fall away(number of scriptures), depart from (1 Timothy 4:1), wanders from the Truth (James 5:19), or not continue in the faith (Colossians 1:22-23) are doing ???

They are walking in sin (carnal minded/walking by the flesh) !!!

 

[BarlyGurl]

People use the term "in Christ" loosely, and I'm not judging you personally just making a point here. But I've said this over and over again that you cannot truly be "in Christ" and also "in sin" at the same time. Hopefully people will come to understand this truth, everyone needs to search themselves and see if Christ is truly in them.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

....AMEN and AMEN!

 

[BarlyGurl]

Look up hyper-grace and people who oppose it. The accusation is always licentiousness. The emphasis on grace needs to be emphasized more, a lot more. People need to stop trying to balance grace with the Law, it nullifies both. If you don't preach grace, people's lives won't be changed. The Law is not a remedy for sin, but it does expose it. It has no ability to help someone overcome it. Grace does. "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but grace.'

well GOSH... if the LAW is to expose sin and the first step to salvation is REPENTANCE then I contend that preaching GRACE ALONE subverts the first steps to salvation... WHICH IS RECOGNIZING YOUR SIN AND REPENTING!!!

 

[just-me]

Yes love is the fulfillment of the law because it does not transgress against God or others, and love upholds all of the Lords commandments as Romans 13:9 shows. We can not state Romans 13:10 without verse 13:9 as well !!!

Even Apostle John spends the majority of his epistle speaking on showing how the difference of how a believer will walk compared to a unbeliever/disobedient person. Also in 2 John 1:9-10 he says we must keep in the doctrine of Christ, which means His teachings and commands.

All scripture must be taken into account and we must use scripture to interpret scripture for proper understanding. Leaving parts off will always lead to a misunderstanding of what was really said.

That deserves an amen I agree with you post. Time for a rep point. But I have to give it to someone else first before giving another one to you. I'm having a hard time finding another one. LOL

 

[BarlyGurl]

This is where you and I disagree because it is not a situation of teaching Law more then Grace or Grace more than Law.

It is about teaching and instructing on Grace and Warnings of sinful behavior in a balanced setting, as sound doctrine teaching of Christ requires both to be taught. If we focus to much on one side or the other then we might get to lost in a unbalanced approach as some pastor's have done.

For I have seen some pastors preach grace only and turn around in the next breath and tell the congregation they can continue to live however they want because grace will abound and cover their sinful acts. This was very bad in the 90's that such teachings were taught, and I see it still today by some.

Frequently... that is the DIRECT RESULT... of a very WEAK and WAFFLING leadership who is not equipped for and does not want to deal with the requisite to admonish, rebuke and "JUDGE" ..... so "they" shrink from responsibility to do so by saying "grace"... which IS just as bad as "ear tickling".

 

[BenFTW]

well GOSH... if the LAW is to expose sin and the first step to salvation is REPENTANCE then I contend that preaching GRACE ALONE subverts the first steps to salvation... WHICH IS RECOGNIZING YOUR SIN AND REPENTING!!!

Really?

Preach grace to the believer, for the sake of overcoming sin. Also too, in preaching the Gospel to people, what is it that leads men to repentance? The goodness of God.

You make that response as if I am denouncing the Law entirely when in fact I have stated its purpose in condemnation, revealing our need for Jesus. However, if sin has increased in a congregation the solution is not to bash over their heads the Law but to reveal to them that they are not acting in line with who they now are in Jesus Christ by grace (the righteousness of God, in Jesus Christ). It is a lack of revelation (of grace), not an ignorance of God's Law.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Look up hyper-grace and people who oppose it. The accusation is always licentiousness. .'

YOU go look up hyper-grace and those people and go argue with THEM instead of arguing with me in their STEAD!!! Which is EXACTLY what you are doing... try actually READING my commentary instead of reading INTO IT!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

How are any of those things that Paul mentioned not either 1) having faith in Christ, or 2) loving one's neighbor as one's self?

In other words and as an example, how can one commit adultery against his neighbor without harming him/her.

Exactly, and so if one truly has the love of God dwelling in them they will not do those sinful things. And so that's how one will know if a person is truly a good tree or an evil tree by their fruits.=words and actions

Romans 13:8-10 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[BarlyGurl]

The problem is there are many people who believe you can actually lose one's Salvation just by sinning.

We cannot lose our Salvation by sinning, but this does not mean we are to continue in our sins.

Who here believes that??? Can I get a show of hands??? who believes you can lose your salvation for committing a sin????
ANYBODY????

 

[BenFTW]

YOU go look up hyper-grace and those people and go argue with THEM instead of arguing with me in their STEAD!!! Which is EXACTLY what you are doing... try actually READING my commentary instead of reading INTO IT!

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[KennethC]

Really?

Preach grace to the believer, for the sake of overcoming sin. Also too, in preaching the Gospel to people, what is it that leads men to repentance? The goodness of God.

You make that response as if I am denouncing the Law entirely when in fact I have stated its purpose in condemnation, revealing our need for Jesus. However, if sin has increased in a congregation the solution is not to bash over their heads the Law but to reveal to them that they are not acting in line with who they now are in Jesus Christ by grace (the righteousness of God, in Jesus Christ). It is a lack of revelation (of grace), not an ignorance of God's Law.

Yes and what happens if they don't accept you and then others admonishing of their behavior, but instead continue on living that way without repenting of it ??? What does the Word of God say from here ???

It shows by Jesus and Paul they are to be cast out and shunned !!!

 

[biblicalsandy]

I thought we were not allowed to use all caps lock in CC?

 

[biblicalsandy]

Sorry...I looked over the rules, it must have been somewhere else I seen it!

 

[Utah]

some people will love that darkness (sins) more then the Light

Come on now why ask such questions instead of just listening to the Lord on what He said from John 3:16-21.

Lord Jesus said a couple of times there will be those who walk around calling Him their Lord and claiming to be Christian, but when it comes to judgment He says He will tell them He never knew them.

I know people want to separate a true Christian from a false Christian and just keep it at that, but there is always a chance for the one walking in sinful ways to repent so we can not just write them off.

However we still can tell them by their fruit on if they are saved or not !!!

I have mentioned already a couple of people I know who live homosexual lifestyles, and how they have stated they don't believe what is written in the bible because they don't see God being loving as He is would condemn for continuing to live their life that way. By continuing that way they are actually loving darkness more then light !!!

I didn't ask how many people who claim to be Christian do you know that love darkness more than Light. I asked very directly, how many Christians do you know that love darkness more than Light. The answer is zero, yet you pigeonhole people who embrace God's grace at the foot of the Cross.

 

[KennethC]

I didn't ask how many people who claim to be Christian do you know that love darkness more than Light. I asked very directly, how many Christians do you know that love darkness more than Light. The answer is zero, yet you pigeonhole people who embrace God's grace at the foot of the Cross.

That is true, but we are not to focus on those who are living properly by the faith.

We are called to go after those who are walking improperly in the faith and not of the faith to bring them to know the truth in Christ. Even Jesus said the well have no need of a physician !!! (Matthew 9:12)

People who are still walking in deliberate sinful ways are called by the Lord that they are sick, and need to be healed of their ways. We do the watering and the planting, and He gives the increase !!! (1 Corinthians 3:6)

 

[Utah]

Not by sinning if one has stumbled or is struggling with a sin that they are trying to stop..................Then I would agree with you !!!

But if they continue or return to a sinful lifestyle to where it controls their life again.........................Then I disagree because the Word of God says those who fall away/depart from the faith unless they repent their soul will not be saved !!!

What do you think one is doing when they fall away(number of scriptures), depart from (1 Timothy 4:1), wanders from the Truth (James 5:19), or not continue in the faith (Colossians 1:22-23) are doing ???

They are walking in sin (carnal minded/walking by the flesh) !!!

So who's going to hell? Christians who masturbate:

A. once a day
B. once a week
C. once a month
D. once a year
E. all of the above
F. NONE OF THE ABOVE; GOD'S GRACE IN JESUS CHRIST IS SUFFICIENT!!!!

Psst. The answer's F.

 

[KennethC]

So who's going to hell? Christians who masturbate:

A. once a day
B. once a week
C. once a month
D. once a year
E. all of the above
F. NONE OF THE ABOVE; GOD'S GRACE IN JESUS CHRIST IS SUFFICIENT!!!!

Psst. The answer's F.

God's grace does not give remission for sins, the Lord's blood does that when we repent of them.

So you are trying to tell me a person who continues to be sexually immoral will still go to heaven???

As for your little multiple choice there none of those examples of A, B, C, or D does not show a continuous deliberate sinner. As you can not just ask a question in that way without having the details on rather they are deliberately continuing to do that sin, or if they are struggling with it and really want to stop !!!

Only then can you give a truthful answer to that !!!