Its Coming Really Soon!
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Very simply by cross-referencing and comparing scripture.
Since we know from scripture that the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place in between now and the time that Christ returns to the earth to end that age. And the fact that believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath, then we know that the church must be gathered prior to the first seal being opened.
That is the reason in its simplest form. And the only reason that it will be a secret, as you call it, is because the Lord is going to come like a thief, which means at a time when a person least expects, in secret so that nobody knows he's there, so that he can make off with his goods without anyone knowing it.
This is why I continue to make known that, people don't understand the severity of God's coming wrath, otherwise you wouldn't have people claiming that the church will be going through the time of God's wrath. Then they will tell you, "God is going to protect his church during the time of his wrath. And I say the same thing, they don't understand the severity and magnitude of what is coming upon this earth. It makes more sense to remove the church, then to leave the on the earth and protect them in the midst of it.
Since we know from scripture that the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place in between now and the time that Christ returns to the earth to end that age. And the fact that believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath, then we know that the church must be gathered prior to the first seal being opened.
That is the reason in its simplest form. And the only reason that it will be a secret, as you call it, is because the Lord is going to come like a thief, which means at a time when a person least expects, in secret so that nobody knows he's there, so that he can make off with his goods without anyone knowing it.
This is why I continue to make known that, people don't understand the severity of God's coming wrath, otherwise you wouldn't have people claiming that the church will be going through the time of God's wrath. Then they will tell you, "God is going to protect his church during the time of his wrath. And I say the same thing, they don't understand the severity and magnitude of what is coming upon this earth. It makes more sense to remove the church, then to leave the on the earth and protect them in the midst of it.
Very simple. The Rapture is not tied into "the end of the world" (or even the Tribulation)as you can see from those Scriptures. The words themselves say that Jesus could come at this very moment for the Church (if that is what He decides). That is why the Rapture is seen as "imminent" -- at any moment, without any warning, and without any preceding signs.
Further confirmation is found in this passage (John 14:1-4), where Christ does NOT say "Let your hearts be troubled because you will experience the Tribulation which will come upon the world". Quite the opposite. The apostles were troubled because Jesus would be leaving them, but He comforted them instead.
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Further confirmation is found in this passage (John 14:1-4), where Christ does NOT say "Let your hearts be troubled because you will experience the Tribulation which will come upon the world". Quite the opposite. The apostles were troubled because Jesus would be leaving them, but He comforted them instead.
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
I of all people would never superimpose the gathering of the church with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, for I know them to be two separate events with different purposes.
The church is gathered prior to the time of God's wrath. After that the revealing of the antichrist and God's wrath begins. At the end of the seven years, the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and the church will be with him. At that same time the Lord will send out his angels and they will first gather the wicked which are the "One taken" and will bring them back to where Armageddon is taking place and they will all be killed with that double-edged sword.
* Gathering of the church
* Antichrist establishes his seven year agreement
* Wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments throughout the seven years
* The Lord returns to the earth to end the age at the end of the seven years
* The angels first gather the wicked (one taken) where they are killed by the double-edged sword
* Beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Satan thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a thousand years.
The church is gathered prior to the time of God's wrath. After that the revealing of the antichrist and God's wrath begins. At the end of the seven years, the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and the church will be with him. At that same time the Lord will send out his angels and they will first gather the wicked which are the "One taken" and will bring them back to where Armageddon is taking place and they will all be killed with that double-edged sword.
* Gathering of the church
* Antichrist establishes his seven year agreement
* Wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments throughout the seven years
* The Lord returns to the earth to end the age at the end of the seven years
* The angels first gather the wicked (one taken) where they are killed by the double-edged sword
* Beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Satan thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a thousand years.
Why don't you and Willie read those verses again?
Look. These verses contradict what the Word says about the time after the tribulation period....Because these verses happen before that time
1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Look. These verses contradict what the Word says about the time after the tribulation period....Because these verses happen before that time
1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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I don't think it is any surprise that we will never agree on much of anything. I believe Revelation was a letter of encouragement written to besieged and persecuted, very much living, people concerning the end of a Jewish age that would occur within 40 years of the delivery of the letter. And you think it is a crystal ball message of doom written to people who wouldn't even be born for nearly 2,000 years off into the future of time, and that it was to show them what the end of the world will be like.
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Matt 24 teaches me that at that point the tribulation is over, Jesus comes back, with His Bride, gathers his people, and sets up a thousand years reign in the Earth. It teaches me that if you and I are here at that time we've missed the rapture, missed being the bride. We get to live with Him but not as the bride,
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.