Its Coming Really Soon!
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The reference to "soon" is imminency. Both the OT prophets and the apostles used the same reference for the Day of the Lord being soon and near, yet it has yet to take place.
The "things which must soon take place" are the events of God's wrath, which take up the majority of the book of Revelation, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. These are the details of God's coming wrath, the day of the Lord.
Once the church has been gathered everyone who is left will be exposed to this period of wrath.
The "things which must soon take place" are the events of God's wrath, which take up the majority of the book of Revelation, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. These are the details of God's coming wrath, the day of the Lord.
Once the church has been gathered everyone who is left will be exposed to this period of wrath.
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will be the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
As you can see from the scripture above, the flood is indeed mentioned in the context. The "One taken" is being compared to those who were taken in the flood. It will be the same way when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age: The one who is taken is the wicked who will be collected by the angels and taken back to be killed, which is why Jesus said, "wherever there is a dead body, there will the vultures be gathered. And that because of what happens as Christ is returning to the earth when he kills all of those gathered with that double-edged sword. After that all of the birds that the angel will have gathered together will gorge themselves on their flesh.
Why would you say that the flood is nowhere mentioned in the chapter, when it is right there in the scripture?
As you can see from the scripture above, the flood is indeed mentioned in the context. The "One taken" is being compared to those who were taken in the flood. It will be the same way when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age: The one who is taken is the wicked who will be collected by the angels and taken back to be killed, which is why Jesus said, "wherever there is a dead body, there will the vultures be gathered. And that because of what happens as Christ is returning to the earth when he kills all of those gathered with that double-edged sword. After that all of the birds that the angel will have gathered together will gorge themselves on their flesh.
Why would you say that the flood is nowhere mentioned in the chapter, when it is right there in the scripture?
Not originally. That honor goes to a Jesuit Monk, Francisco Ribera, I believe his name was, in the 1500s. It was a Catholic backlash to Martin Luther's revolt against The Church. (Yeah, The Rapture was developed right in there with all the other Catholic "spiritual" inventions.)
But his paper was so poorly regarded that it was virtually lost for about 300-400 years when a librarian rediscovered it, and had it printed just for the sake of interest in such an idea. That was when Darby got behind it, and soon convinced Schofield to include the concept in the footnotes of his newly devised Reference Bible.
But his paper was so poorly regarded that it was virtually lost for about 300-400 years when a librarian rediscovered it, and had it printed just for the sake of interest in such an idea. That was when Darby got behind it, and soon convinced Schofield to include the concept in the footnotes of his newly devised Reference Bible.
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I won't be here Meggido! This is the difference between those trusting in the Lord's promises that believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath, that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath and that he promised to keep believers out of the coming time of God's wrath.
Believers should be prepared to go through trial and tribulation, even unto death. But we should be confident that we will not go through God's coming wrath. Big difference between the two.
By expecting to go through God's wrath, you are not trusting in the promises of the Lord:
"They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath."
"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you out of the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
Before you say it, believers are not appointed to suffer any wrath, whether the wrath that is coming via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments nor the wrath at the final judgment.
And the reason is because those who have faith in Christ have been credited with righteousness and have been reconciled to God.
Yes, believers are subject to trials and persecutions which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath.
Your error is not making a distinction between the two.
Believers should be prepared to go through trial and tribulation, even unto death. But we should be confident that we will not go through God's coming wrath. Big difference between the two.
By expecting to go through God's wrath, you are not trusting in the promises of the Lord:
"They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath."
"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you out of the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
Before you say it, believers are not appointed to suffer any wrath, whether the wrath that is coming via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments nor the wrath at the final judgment.
And the reason is because those who have faith in Christ have been credited with righteousness and have been reconciled to God.
Yes, believers are subject to trials and persecutions which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath.
Your error is not making a distinction between the two.
Exactly. As the world says, you may get what you wish for, and no good deed will go unpunished.
On a more serious note, I would challenge all the naysayers to find the word "church" or "churches" in Revelation from chapters 4 to 18. And since that word abounds in the first three chapters, why does it suddenly disappear after that?
On a more serious note, I would challenge all the naysayers to find the word "church" or "churches" in Revelation from chapters 4 to 18. And since that word abounds in the first three chapters, why does it suddenly disappear after that?
And yet without reading anything by Francisco, I have understood from scripture that the gathering must take place prior the first seal being opened, which initiates the wrath of God.
It is the word of God that proclaims our gathering before his wrath and not Darby, Scofield, MacDonald or Francisco. It's scripture!
It is the word of God that proclaims our gathering before his wrath and not Darby, Scofield, MacDonald or Francisco. It's scripture!
Willie, had none of these men existed, we would still have the Word of God. And what did Jesus say?
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. (Mt 24:42)
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. (Mt 24:44)
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. (Mt 25:13)
Not one of these sayings mentions the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation. So casting aspersions upon Ribera, Darby, Scofield (BTW the naysayers know so little about Cyrus Scofield that they can't even get his name spelled right!), etc. only shows the bankruptcy of those who reject the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church.
Speaking of Scofield (not Schofield), I would recommend every Christian get his original Scofield Reference Bible -- 1909,1917 (not the New Scofield) and study it carefully before scoffing at Scofield. That man had some tremendous insights into Scripture.
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. (Mt 24:42)
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. (Mt 24:44)
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. (Mt 25:13)
Not one of these sayings mentions the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation. So casting aspersions upon Ribera, Darby, Scofield (BTW the naysayers know so little about Cyrus Scofield that they can't even get his name spelled right!), etc. only shows the bankruptcy of those who reject the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church.
Speaking of Scofield (not Schofield), I would recommend every Christian get his original Scofield Reference Bible -- 1909,1917 (not the New Scofield) and study it carefully before scoffing at Scofield. That man had some tremendous insights into Scripture.
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And you continue to deny the Word of God by saying that the "great tribulation" that Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24 is God's wrath.
Just because men believe it is God's wrath in Rev.6 does not make it so.
God's wrath is announced from Heaven after His seventh trump return.
The seven bowls are God's wrath, not the seals and trumps.
You seem to be a smart man but you have blinded yourself to the simple truth of God's word.
Tribulation is tribulation and wrath is wrath.
Just because men believe it is God's wrath in Rev.6 does not make it so.
God's wrath is announced from Heaven after His seventh trump return.
The seven bowls are God's wrath, not the seals and trumps.
You seem to be a smart man but you have blinded yourself to the simple truth of God's word.
Tribulation is tribulation and wrath is wrath.
