JOEL OSTEEN and LAKEWOOD

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

Senior Member
#81
Dec 28, 2016
9,171
2,718
113
#81
heartofdavid said:
He is showing you what is obvious.

I thought the same thing; " wow this guy must be doing more than Joel".

But no,not in 3 lifetimes.
Click to expand...
No, he is not showing him what is obvious. The word oblivious comes to mind in what megiddo said, oblivious to Osteen's false message.

You may be rudely awakened that he or others may be doing more than Joel, and that what what Joel is doing is preaching a false gospel of covetous idolatry.

But perhaps not, you may never see this.
 
Last edited:
M

Meggido

Banned
#82
May 12, 2017
2,641
65
0
#82
jaybird88 said:
show you what? show you that one does not need a megachurch/church to help people?
Click to expand...
Exactly..now run off in the water and go help and then come back and give us the praise reports so we can criticize what you did or did not do....
 
L

Liber

Junior Member
#83
Sep 2, 2017
12
0
1
#83
NoNameMcgee, worship refers to the act of showing great reverence, or showing one's respect, to a deity. In order to do this, you must actively believe in said deity and show admiration for that deity. To say a person can unknowingly worship Satan is to take the definition of the word and change it so it refers to someone who abides by Satan's will. These are not the same thing. Granted, this is all semantics and I'm being quite pedantic, but there's no reason to use sloppy language when it can be helped. Sloppy language has a way or poorly portraying ideas and in some cases causes great miscommunication.
 
J

joefizz

Guest
#84
#84
Liber said:
NoNameMcgee, worship refers to the act of showing great reverence, or showing one's respect, to a deity. In order to do this, you must actively believe in said deity and show admiration for that deity. To say a person can unknowingly worship Satan is to take the definition of the word and change it so it refers to someone who abides by Satan's will. These are not the same thing. Granted, this is all semantics and I'm being quite pedantic, but there's no reason to use sloppy language when it can be helped. Sloppy language has a way or poorly portraying ideas and in some cases causes great miscommunication.
Click to expand...
It would help if you "quoted" no name mcgee's post so we all including mcgee can understand and be aware of what you and who you are answering in response to.
 
N

NoNameMcgee

Guest
#85
#85
Liber said:
NoNameMcgee, worship refers to the act of showing great reverence, or showing one's respect, to a deity. In order to do this, you must actively believe in said deity and show admiration for that deity. To say a person can unknowingly worship Satan is to take the definition of the word and change it so it refers to someone who abides by Satan's will. These are not the same thing. Granted, this is all semantics and I'm being quite pedantic, but there's no reason to use sloppy language when it can be helped. Sloppy language has a way or poorly portraying ideas and in some cases causes great miscommunication.
Click to expand...
2 Corinthians Chapter 11


14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works
 
Angela53510

Angela53510

Senior Member
#86
Jan 24, 2011
11,780
2,943
113
#86
I read and saw many pictures and videos in FB after this incident. What I saw, were the same 4 pictures, spliced together of a couple of inches of water in an underground garage. Not the main church garage, but a book depository several blocks away.

I saw videos of no water, and the main doors locked on the main entrance level. The guard waved a stick at the person taking the video, so that was the end of one. There was no water in the huge arena! I looked everywhere for pictures of a flooded church, and I just kept finding videos of people walking around, unable to get in, with no water!

Take that however you like! My feeling is that if there truly had been flooding, Lakewood Church would have released some authentic pictures. But you are entitled to believe what you want, on this issue. Maybe we will never know the whole truth!

However, regarding his theology, I would challenge people to read his sermons. They are hermeneutically unsound, there is NO exegesis, and even the eisegesis was barely there. He just talks about being happy/being prosperous as in getting money, etc. Somewhere in the middle, he usually sticks part of a Bible verse to support his thesis. I guess that is eisegesis, but it seemed more like an afterthought, than trying to prop up his doctrine with the Bible.

I read a few, they were all like this. I would urge people to actually read his poorly written sermons. I personally don't see him as New Age or Satanist. I see him as an appallingly uneducated used car salesman. Now, if you think listening or reading sermons by someone how doesn't know the Bible, can't write, and is only interested in money is uplifting, then go for it! I will stick to the Bible, and read sermons by some of the top preachers in the last few centuries. Certainly, Joel has nothing to offer me in the way of encouragement or being edified by teaching the gospel.

I was looking for the link for the transcripts I read a while back. Instead, I found this. Donate to see the transcripts. And not small amounts, either! Shocking!

https://crm16.joelosteen.com/Pages/WatchOnline.aspx
 
You must log in or register to reply here.