LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GODS LAW IN US
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Present the fault you find with the post to us plainly? It seems like a few have beef with the Poster being a member of the SDA yet His post speaks of Love and Obedience to GOD. What else are we the creation to do here on earth? Is that not our purpose? And GOD sending His Perfect Son to save and lead us Home? Is that not what GOD's Grace is for toward us? To make us New inwards through Faith and abide here in a life of Love toward GOD above all else? Until we wake or in a blink put on the immortal promised to us through Faith?
You have admitted that you know next-to-nothing about SDA doctrine.
Perhaps you should do some research on your own initiative.
You may then find that the sentiments expressed do not exactly match with YOUR understanding...
Perhaps you may also end up agreeing with SDA doctrine, who knows...
For my part, those who hold closely to SDA doctrine do not believe in Biblical Christianity, if for no other reason than SDA's view the writings of Ellen G. White as co-authoritative with the Bible!
(As has already been noted by kindest view of her and her writings was that she was confused!)
Think about that for a moment...
Unless one is interpreting the Bible according to the writings of Ellen White then one cannot be an SDA - despite the fact that she introduces hundreds of extra biblical teachings - many completely contradicting plain Biblical teaching.
That is not my opinion, but it is an official position of that church.
Perhaps you should do some research on your own initiative.
You may then find that the sentiments expressed do not exactly match with YOUR understanding...
Perhaps you may also end up agreeing with SDA doctrine, who knows...
For my part, those who hold closely to SDA doctrine do not believe in Biblical Christianity, if for no other reason than SDA's view the writings of Ellen G. White as co-authoritative with the Bible!
(As has already been noted by kindest view of her and her writings was that she was confused!)
Think about that for a moment...
Unless one is interpreting the Bible according to the writings of Ellen White then one cannot be an SDA - despite the fact that she introduces hundreds of extra biblical teachings - many completely contradicting plain Biblical teaching.
That is not my opinion, but it is an official position of that church.
It always amazes me these who speak as of a person has "love" and "obedience" they're a Christian. I mean, what other fruit would you expect a cult to put forward to hoodwink others? Let's apply her criteria to the JW's. They must be "in" too.
Scripture is no longer the measure, it is all becoming purely subjective. Let's play this out to its logical absurdity: Those like loveme1 and many others have now said by implication the test of a believer is "love" and "obedience."
Let's examine this carefully.
This test of hers is no different than the test of the leftists in our world today. It is political correctness, not Christianity, and soon true converts will be called out on their stance everywhere, and will be considered unloving and dispensable to society. It is Christian political correctness: it doesn't matter what you believe, it is "do you show "love?""
The test then is no longer that they hold to sound doctrine, the Gospel, and holiness which isn't love by any means to the world standards. Those that do these things are considered "unloving." Cults are falsely considered Christian because they pass the test of "love."
True converts won't pass this test because the world has and is defining love into tolerance of anything and anyone but God and His people.
This is a slippery slope, and one must be very cautious. It appears to me a huge false "church" is on the rise which hates true converts who stick to God's Word, holiness, sound doctrine, and against the onslaught of immorality.
Scripture is no longer the measure, it is all becoming purely subjective. Let's play this out to its logical absurdity: Those like loveme1 and many others have now said by implication the test of a believer is "love" and "obedience."
Let's examine this carefully.
This test of hers is no different than the test of the leftists in our world today. It is political correctness, not Christianity, and soon true converts will be called out on their stance everywhere, and will be considered unloving and dispensable to society. It is Christian political correctness: it doesn't matter what you believe, it is "do you show "love?""
The test then is no longer that they hold to sound doctrine, the Gospel, and holiness which isn't love by any means to the world standards. Those that do these things are considered "unloving." Cults are falsely considered Christian because they pass the test of "love."
True converts won't pass this test because the world has and is defining love into tolerance of anything and anyone but God and His people.
This is a slippery slope, and one must be very cautious. It appears to me a huge false "church" is on the rise which hates true converts who stick to God's Word, holiness, sound doctrine, and against the onslaught of immorality.
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If the author of this post is not sharing from the heart then he deceive himself.. but if he is then you are accusing for sharing His love of the Truth with us here.
Now I have took this man to mean good intent and did not see any call to join SDA or promotion of EG white.. So if you have the show us plainly His error here?
Many other churches adhere to writings of men.. I can not see why this man comes under attack here..
Now I have took this man to mean good intent and did not see any call to join SDA or promotion of EG white.. So if you have the show us plainly His error here?
Many other churches adhere to writings of men.. I can not see why this man comes under attack here..
We always have to accept the Gospel,and present truth of God's morals,and never back down,and not tolerate any other beliefs that are relaxed.
But the love the Bible talks about is not being tolerant towards people,and their beliefs,but love does not do any harm to their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,so love must be important if it fulfills the law.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
A person claiming Christ is nothing if they do not have charity,love in action,and they can have faith to remove mountains,but if they do not have charity,which must be extended to all people,not even hating one person,and love your enemies,then that person does not have salvation.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity is greater than faith,and a person can great faith,but if they do not have charity,then they are nothing,James said their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them.
I do not understand how a person can say love is not important,when it is the most important thing we can possess,and the truth concerning other denominations,and cults,their love is not true anyway.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.
Charity,love in action does not think an evil thought,and does not rejoice in iniquity,does not sin,and rejoice in the truth to abstain from sin by the Spirit,and only goes by their needs,and helps others with their needs,that is the love we are supposed to have that is greater than faith,and if it falls short of that it is not love,for the world,and false denominations,do not love like they are supposed to love,for they will lack because it is of the world.
But the love the Bible talks about is not being tolerant towards people,and their beliefs,but love does not do any harm to their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,so love must be important if it fulfills the law.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
A person claiming Christ is nothing if they do not have charity,love in action,and they can have faith to remove mountains,but if they do not have charity,which must be extended to all people,not even hating one person,and love your enemies,then that person does not have salvation.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity is greater than faith,and a person can great faith,but if they do not have charity,then they are nothing,James said their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them.
I do not understand how a person can say love is not important,when it is the most important thing we can possess,and the truth concerning other denominations,and cults,their love is not true anyway.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.
Charity,love in action does not think an evil thought,and does not rejoice in iniquity,does not sin,and rejoice in the truth to abstain from sin by the Spirit,and only goes by their needs,and helps others with their needs,that is the love we are supposed to have that is greater than faith,and if it falls short of that it is not love,for the world,and false denominations,do not love like they are supposed to love,for they will lack because it is of the world.
Deny yourself the power of GOD by all means but for those who been converted by GOD can not deny but live by Faith.
You could make the slippiest slope and yet GOD keeps those that Love Him from falling... The Everlasting Gospel is preached and the saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and The Faith of Jesus... now may you be Blessed with Truth by the Grace of GOD.
I am not saying that salvation is passing a theology test, or just believing the right doctrines on every single thing.
But what I am saying is: If you make the Sabbath a salvation issue, something that the new testament is careful to never do, you are on thin ice from a theological stand point. And are in fact preaching a false Gospel.
We go by Grace through Faith, or we do not go at all.
But what I am saying is: If you make the Sabbath a salvation issue, something that the new testament is careful to never do, you are on thin ice from a theological stand point. And are in fact preaching a false Gospel.
We go by Grace through Faith, or we do not go at all.
What do we go by Grace through Faith to? LGF is showing us Faith that worketh by love. The Bible teaches that those that Love GOD keep His Commandments yet the Jewish people keep Sabbath.. so what is the difference? Faith.. we can only Love GOD through Faith in His Son.. for by Grace through Faith we can be born again of the Holy Spirit... for without we are dead in our trespasses having not Believed and received the Truth that sets us free to be under Grace at liberty to love GOD and each other just as the Messiah taught.
If we went round telling people to keep the Sabbath to be saved we would not be sharing the Law of Faith. For we are to Repent and Believe and GOD will work through us. It is a new way of life ordained by GOD for us.
Yes there are mountains to move but all things through Faith in GOD through His Son's Testament. I remember times when I could feel a force pulling me to turn my feet another direction.. we are Guided and comforted in to all Truth.
If we went round telling people to keep the Sabbath to be saved we would not be sharing the Law of Faith. For we are to Repent and Believe and GOD will work through us. It is a new way of life ordained by GOD for us.
Yes there are mountains to move but all things through Faith in GOD through His Son's Testament. I remember times when I could feel a force pulling me to turn my feet another direction.. we are Guided and comforted in to all Truth.
If the world has defined love the wrong way by political correctness, and I agree with that, then where are the instructions found to love the right way?
Hippies endorsed "free love" and it was totally corrupt. You were born during that movement and were between 5 and ten years old by the time its persuasion permeated the United Sates from coast to coast. I lived through it, and saw the devastating difference between my childhood and what we are today. There is absolutely NOTHING the same in today's society, from what I experienced as a child, NOTHING! It's all different today, and it began with the apathetic doctrines of the church, following suit with the Roman doctrines of Constantine.
God's Word endorses to the church ministry not to become apathetic to certain parts of love's definition found in scripture.
But during this said era, that's exactly what has happened, leading this nation into lawlessness, and apathy actually teaches lawlessness. When we deny the instructions of how to exact agape love, our defence against the adversary is gone, along with our understanding of what real love should be. In essence, the church has forsaken the instructions listed before the first advent. Then Jesus had to redefine the truth of it all because it had become so distorted. (Matthew 23:23) The same identical scenario continues in the religious community today.
"And because iniquity (lawlessness) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
(Matthew 24:12)
Your comments are less than edifying. If you have a problem with the wrong kind of love, as I do, then minister the right kind of love by the instructions listed in scripture. If we do nothing but find fault, there is no edification.
"Let all things be done unto edifying." (1 Corinthians 14:26b)
Hippies endorsed "free love" and it was totally corrupt. You were born during that movement and were between 5 and ten years old by the time its persuasion permeated the United Sates from coast to coast. I lived through it, and saw the devastating difference between my childhood and what we are today. There is absolutely NOTHING the same in today's society, from what I experienced as a child, NOTHING! It's all different today, and it began with the apathetic doctrines of the church, following suit with the Roman doctrines of Constantine.
God's Word endorses to the church ministry not to become apathetic to certain parts of love's definition found in scripture.
But during this said era, that's exactly what has happened, leading this nation into lawlessness, and apathy actually teaches lawlessness. When we deny the instructions of how to exact agape love, our defence against the adversary is gone, along with our understanding of what real love should be. In essence, the church has forsaken the instructions listed before the first advent. Then Jesus had to redefine the truth of it all because it had become so distorted. (Matthew 23:23) The same identical scenario continues in the religious community today.
"And because iniquity (lawlessness) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
(Matthew 24:12)
Your comments are less than edifying. If you have a problem with the wrong kind of love, as I do, then minister the right kind of love by the instructions listed in scripture. If we do nothing but find fault, there is no edification.
"Let all things be done unto edifying." (1 Corinthians 14:26b)
I would say that 'doing the Will of God is a salvation issue'.
Keeping the Sabbath Holy is one of His commandments and I know of no scripture where God has 'rescinded it.
Even Jesus our living walking example was/became obedient unto death while on this earth....and WE are to be conformed unto Him. There is no argument on this matter ! Those who don't want to obey should just 'stay away !
Keeping the Sabbath Holy is one of His commandments and I know of no scripture where God has 'rescinded it.
Even Jesus our living walking example was/became obedient unto death while on this earth....and WE are to be conformed unto Him. There is no argument on this matter ! Those who don't want to obey should just 'stay away !
I must agree that we have taken a few steps backwards instead of forward but this is not the Lord’s doing, it is my doing. The Lord gave us direction and purpose through suggestions giving us the choice to follow them or not. I will include a few of them just to giveyou an idea of what I meant:
(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swiftwitness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger,t he fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.
(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
The Lord was speaking to a select group of people & it was their duty to follow His instructions and should they follow his instructions peace would envelope the world.
Now I ask, who were the people He was talking too and last but not least, have they or are they following His instructions?
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(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swiftwitness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger,t he fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.
(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
The Lord was speaking to a select group of people & it was their duty to follow His instructions and should they follow his instructions peace would envelope the world.
Now I ask, who were the people He was talking too and last but not least, have they or are they following His instructions?
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Now I ask, who were the people He was talking too and last but not least, have they or are they following His instructions?-
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Excerpt from Matthew 23:23...
We.. "have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith:"
Isn't much difference is there? Notice those who reject the law by the doctrines of men.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. (Romans 16:17)
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
We should all ask ourselves where the instructions of how to love are originally found, and then once we receive the answer, go for it.
His website certainly sounds like SDA to me.
https://www.beastsmark.com
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
Praise God for brother Anderson, who was a member of the SDA church for 33 years, but managed to study his way out of the SDA church.
The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church
https://www.beastsmark.com
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
Praise God for brother Anderson, who was a member of the SDA church for 33 years, but managed to study his way out of the SDA church.
The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church
It's simple for people to put things in a nutshell for our puny little minds...Jesus IS love. Jesus' love fulfilled the law when He said it was finished and died and was resurrected. We enter heaven by the love of Jesus (accepting the truth) which is grace given to us by His blood. That is all that is required. Works and commandments do not save, He saves. Respect the commandments because "it is good for us" (keeps us from having to learn life lessons from our own consequences) in other words...don't sin...it's not good for you...
Even clearer when you read the before and after.. which is fitting with the intent of this thread..
Galatians 5
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Galatians 5
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.