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Actually, and I know we're getting off track here, but I've heard all types of ideas of what the cross looked like...
I've heard the single pole idea, and the "X" shaped cross idea... the one that makes the most sense to me, though, is the capital T one, and Jesus had to carry only the cross beam, instead of the whole cross.... thinking of ANY person having to carry something as large as a whole cross just boggles the mind... especially when that person had been beaten almost to death immediately prior...
sorry... I gotta stop...
I've heard the single pole idea, and the "X" shaped cross idea... the one that makes the most sense to me, though, is the capital T one, and Jesus had to carry only the cross beam, instead of the whole cross.... thinking of ANY person having to carry something as large as a whole cross just boggles the mind... especially when that person had been beaten almost to death immediately prior...
sorry... I gotta stop...
Now think of someone simply dragging a simple pole up the road. And think of how crude and lazy the solders were. I was a General Contractor for about 30 years, and a carpenter for years before that. I know how danged near impossible it would be to construct any sort of cross that would hold together under the gyrations of a struggling man for sometimes days, considering the primitive tools and fasteners available to them back them....... let alone hoist a cross-piece up to a standing pole with a man attached, and then get it attached to that pole.. THAT would be even harder.
Nope, drag one relatively skinny pole up there (maybe 6-8" across) nail two nails, one through both feet, and one through both hands, and then drop the pole into a hole. And remember, wood was pretty doggone scarce in that neck of the desert.
Nope, drag one relatively skinny pole up there (maybe 6-8" across) nail two nails, one through both feet, and one through both hands, and then drop the pole into a hole. And remember, wood was pretty doggone scarce in that neck of the desert.
Ok got ya . Yea while I believe the cross theory I have to speculate that the means is less important than the results here . With all the instructions God gave for the things like the sanctuary in the OT to Moses and not tell how big or what angel the cross was set at leads me to believe that the process is less important than what Jesus did for us .
Blessings
Bill
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The article refers to sermons modeled in scripture. Where are sermons modeled---in the church meeting--- in scripture. There are examples of evangelistic sermons, in public in Jerusalem probably out on the street, in synagogues, in whatever setting Stephen was at when he was stoned, and in the Aereopagus in Athens. Where is the Biblical model for a sermon?
If we truly followed the 'regulative principle' then the church meeting would be very 'charismatic', and it would have multiple speakers and singers. Multiple members might offer a song, doctrine, tongue, revelation, and interpretation. More than one prophet would speak a revelatory message. Of course, this assumes the Spirit gifts and enables such things.
Where is a specific example of congregational singing 'in church.' If 'every one of you hath a psalm' in I Corinthians 14, that sounds like everyone having a solo. We could 'speak to yourselves in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs' rather than congregationally.
The real overriding rule I see in scripture for what to do in church is 'Let all things be done unto edifying.' Another would be 'Let all things be done decently and in order.' That is the Lord's order, not man's. The Lord's order allows for multiple members of the body to take turns prophesying in an orderly manner. The traditional order is that the clergyman speaks from a pulpit and everyone else must be silent.
If one takes a 'regulative principle' approach to I Corinthians 14, he might forbid something like drama presentations, and might possibly forbid congregational singing and only allow solos. Another approach might allow it if it were done 'unto edifying.' Based on this we might allow something like a drama presentation or congregational singing. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of drama presentations as a common thing in actual church meetings, though I can't say I have grounds to oppose it. I am not against congregational singing, but I am in favor of solos as well, as long as it is done unto edifying.
Is I Corinthians 14 supposed to be an exhaustive list of all edifying activities? It doesn't include the Lord's Supper, referenced in chapter 11.
If we truly followed the 'regulative principle' then the church meeting would be very 'charismatic', and it would have multiple speakers and singers. Multiple members might offer a song, doctrine, tongue, revelation, and interpretation. More than one prophet would speak a revelatory message. Of course, this assumes the Spirit gifts and enables such things.
Where is a specific example of congregational singing 'in church.' If 'every one of you hath a psalm' in I Corinthians 14, that sounds like everyone having a solo. We could 'speak to yourselves in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs' rather than congregationally.
The real overriding rule I see in scripture for what to do in church is 'Let all things be done unto edifying.' Another would be 'Let all things be done decently and in order.' That is the Lord's order, not man's. The Lord's order allows for multiple members of the body to take turns prophesying in an orderly manner. The traditional order is that the clergyman speaks from a pulpit and everyone else must be silent.
If one takes a 'regulative principle' approach to I Corinthians 14, he might forbid something like drama presentations, and might possibly forbid congregational singing and only allow solos. Another approach might allow it if it were done 'unto edifying.' Based on this we might allow something like a drama presentation or congregational singing. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of drama presentations as a common thing in actual church meetings, though I can't say I have grounds to oppose it. I am not against congregational singing, but I am in favor of solos as well, as long as it is done unto edifying.
Is I Corinthians 14 supposed to be an exhaustive list of all edifying activities? It doesn't include the Lord's Supper, referenced in chapter 11.
Exactly... don't worry too much 'bout this guy who has a skeleton for an avatar... he must be in to death.
Prolly listens to death metal and digs horror movies Yo
Prolly listens to death metal and digs horror movies Yo
btw do you not have a skeleton for an armature?
Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him, we will also live with him
(2 TImothy 2:11)