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Post #97, right under yours...by Notuptome...
I probably would have never been able to explain it as well as he did....
So to answer your question...
What he said
I probably would have never been able to explain it as well as he did....
So to answer your question...
What he said
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That didn't work. I think you typoed more than once in this one. Want to try again? (Assuming you didn't really mean that the Israelites gave Paul credit. And, assuming if you meant God there, instead of Paul, then as often as they wanted to go back to Egypt, idolotry and living as the world didn't seem to bother them at all.)
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A. It proved the robot lameness is nothing but lame.
B. Something changed when the light went on. God showed us light is good. (Light is him.) HE changed us. And we did not walk into light. He dinked it on us. One second we're hiding in a closet in the bottom of a cave, underneath a desk. The next second we're bathed in Light. Dink! (And, again, HE is the light. We are not the light.)
I'd say you are smarter than this, but it seems you are so stuck on believing you had impetus to qualify for salvation by your free will, and have yet to prove that point, so the jury is still out on your smartness.
B. Something changed when the light went on. God showed us light is good. (Light is him.) HE changed us. And we did not walk into light. He dinked it on us. One second we're hiding in a closet in the bottom of a cave, underneath a desk. The next second we're bathed in Light. Dink! (And, again, HE is the light. We are not the light.)
I'd say you are smarter than this, but it seems you are so stuck on believing you had impetus to qualify for salvation by your free will, and have yet to prove that point, so the jury is still out on your smartness.
The many and called few are chosen parable. Matthew 22
Correct me if I am wrong, but this makes me think of Israel.
The man makes a wedding feast for his son. He chose and invited (called) a group of folks to begin with (Israel) but they would not come and treated his messengers badly (just like they did all the prophets and preachers who talked about Jesus and even Jesus). They were chosen but would not come.
So then he opens it up to all…has his messengers go out into the highways and bi-ways to invite any that would come (Jews, Gentiles, whoever). So it is filled and then there is a man there without a wedding garment on (apparently he didn’t come in by the door, but came in by some other way).
Jesus said, if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me, but that doesn’t mean that all men will come. We also know that there is only one way or door to God and that is through Jesus. Although, God will draw all men unto him some will flatly reject the call and others may try to go around to get in some other way (self- righteousness…etc. any other way than Jesus). They still had a choice yet chose some other way…which won’t work either. We can either walk away and turn it down, or accept the invitation and come in through Jesus or not at all.
Well that’s just my thoughts on that parable, anyhow.
Correct me if I am wrong, but this makes me think of Israel.
The man makes a wedding feast for his son. He chose and invited (called) a group of folks to begin with (Israel) but they would not come and treated his messengers badly (just like they did all the prophets and preachers who talked about Jesus and even Jesus). They were chosen but would not come.
So then he opens it up to all…has his messengers go out into the highways and bi-ways to invite any that would come (Jews, Gentiles, whoever). So it is filled and then there is a man there without a wedding garment on (apparently he didn’t come in by the door, but came in by some other way).
Jesus said, if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me, but that doesn’t mean that all men will come. We also know that there is only one way or door to God and that is through Jesus. Although, God will draw all men unto him some will flatly reject the call and others may try to go around to get in some other way (self- righteousness…etc. any other way than Jesus). They still had a choice yet chose some other way…which won’t work either. We can either walk away and turn it down, or accept the invitation and come in through Jesus or not at all.
Well that’s just my thoughts on that parable, anyhow.
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Why? Because I didn't make a pros and cons list on why I should or shouldn't be saved? Instead the Lord saved me, brought me life, and I simply followed?
I was already saved before I knew I needed saving. We are Lazarus! We had no idea we were dead to decide to come back to life and be saved from death. Or do you also disagree with Romans 5-6?
I was already saved before I knew I needed saving. We are Lazarus! We had no idea we were dead to decide to come back to life and be saved from death. Or do you also disagree with Romans 5-6?
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hey, bro, i don't want to argue with you as i know you get quite exercised about this subject. lol
but i think you have a responsibility to do justice to the text. your first two examples don't speak to people choosing to be saved, and the third goes like this:
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. (Jn 6:37-39)
just a few verses later, the Lord Jesus says:
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.(Jn 6:44)
He doesn't say "no one will" come, He says "no one can" come. it speaks to our inability to come to Him unless the Father does a work in us first.
salvation belongs to the Lord.
but i think you have a responsibility to do justice to the text. your first two examples don't speak to people choosing to be saved, and the third goes like this:
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. (Jn 6:37-39)
just a few verses later, the Lord Jesus says:
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.(Jn 6:44)
He doesn't say "no one will" come, He says "no one can" come. it speaks to our inability to come to Him unless the Father does a work in us first.
salvation belongs to the Lord.
Hey sis,
Behold I stand at the door and knock. A person has to chose to open the door to let him in, for him to come dine with them. And I do think it relates to being saved, Jesus is saying he is comming to have a relationship with his creation, But he is not going to knock the door down and force us to be his children.
Chose this day who you are going to serve. This is not salvation? And even if it is not (if any of these are not) it still shows FREE WILL is in action. Which is the point
as for the other, A person has to chose to come to Jesus, and he will by no means cast out. I believe God chose based on foreknowledge (he knew who would freely chose to come) that is the basis of election. Aghain, they had to chose
and I agree, No one CAN COME, because of God did not come and convict us and draw us, We would never come, Yet he drew many people who decided to never come completely (judas is one example) I do not thing God overrules our free will and causes us to do what we would never desire. Or he would prevent a person from ever having the hope of salvation. (Many are called, few are chosen comes to mind)
Yes salvation belongs to God. And he can chose how and why he gives it, what did he say was his will? “All who see and believe in him will have eternal life,(john 6)
God is God, if he wishes to offer people his gift, and allow people the freedom to chose to say yes God I want it, or no God take your gift and shove it, he has that right. It does nto take ANYTHING away from his soverignty for him to do this. God makes the rules. Not us.
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By the way sis, I love my calvanist brothers and sisters
I am excersized by the subject because I think it Gives God a bad name and destroyes his perfect character. And leads right into the lie of satan (basically God does not want a relationship wiht you. He wants you to be his puppets) It is subtle, but it is there
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Nope this is not true. A legalist who tries to earn salvation choses God. I could not chose God. I had no ability.
it is only true if I had the power to save myself
GOD GAVE ME THE ABILITY TO become his child. He chose to ALLOW me the opportunity to be saved, He chose to do the WORK required so I could be saved.
I could not chose God. I had nothing to offer God.
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[FONT="]Luke 14:25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]31 Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
[/FONT]Did you? Did you really do that? When the Lord called you, did you realize you would alienate your family? Did you realize, your life just got a lot harder, because it stopped being all about you? And most important, did you start building a tower realizing you really don't have what it takes to build it?
Personally, it took a while before I realized I had no idea how to build the Lord's tower, and I didn't have the foundation or strength to complete it anyway. He IS my strength. He IS my supplier. He IS my foundation! He IS my tower!
I had no idea of any of this going in.
So did you have that information coming in or is that the cost of sanctification? Not the cost of regeneration, or redemption.
We were already justified, born again, redeemed, and adopted before we ever hit, "There's a tower to be built too?"
[/FONT]Did you? Did you really do that? When the Lord called you, did you realize you would alienate your family? Did you realize, your life just got a lot harder, because it stopped being all about you? And most important, did you start building a tower realizing you really don't have what it takes to build it?
Personally, it took a while before I realized I had no idea how to build the Lord's tower, and I didn't have the foundation or strength to complete it anyway. He IS my strength. He IS my supplier. He IS my foundation! He IS my tower!
I had no idea of any of this going in.
So did you have that information coming in or is that the cost of sanctification? Not the cost of regeneration, or redemption.
We were already justified, born again, redeemed, and adopted before we ever hit, "There's a tower to be built too?"
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I say God foreknew people. And knew everything about them before they were created, He knew if they would say yes, or if they would say no. he knew what needed to be done to convince them to say yes (and acts accordingly,. Not everyone comes to God the same way, That is why his omniscience is amasing, If someone says no, they have no excuse. Because if God knew there was a way they woudl say yes, he would have done what is needed)
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Forgive me I meant moses. And I am sure as a person you could have known that, and responded to that, But that is beyond you
Gen 14: [FONT="]Then they said to Moses, “Because there were no graves in Egypt, have you taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you so dealt with us, to bring us up out of Egypt? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]12 Is this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, ‘Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians’? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness.”
[/FONT][FONT="]Did they give God credit? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
Gen 14: [FONT="]Then they said to Moses, “Because there were no graves in Egypt, have you taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you so dealt with us, to bring us up out of Egypt? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]12 Is this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, ‘Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians’? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness.”
[/FONT][FONT="]Did they give God credit? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]