Stonesoffire: Genesis study
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L
oh mercy...where to begin...where to begin
no...the entire Bible is not a parable...that is a Preterism/Gnostic construct and not viable
comparing the same words throughout the Bible is the WORST way to study
context and a thorough knowledge of the doctrines of scripture...so that we do not insert our own misaligned thoughts and preconceived notions...is the correct way...
taking the Bible and saying it is all spiritual is not correct..it leads to gross error and confusion
what is even worse, is when people try to understand or believe they have found the answers to questions that the world's most advanced Christians well versed in apologetics and theologians shy away from!
it becomes nonsense and error and nothing more!
Genesis is not a parable
your tiny minds and my tiny mind cannot conceive of what really happened or how powerful the word spoken by God is!
do you not know that creation continues? stars are still being formed! the galaxies are expanding!
and BECAUSE God spoke them into existence
creation is not stagnant...are you made of spirit only?
there is a concept of material and spirit being combined that you have totally miscontrued
Adam and Eve were not spirit beings only as some think, possibly due to the recent movie in which they were represented as such...'Noah'
there is a very good reason teachers have much more to answer for............
B
How did you come up with to place natural light into darkness covered the face of the deep??.
The sun is a star just like many billions of them in our universe not all the same size or stage. I'm of science as well so to get into that with someone we have to be on the same page, because we will only be rebuking each other...
If the sun went out, first the earth would loose a lot of heat it gets from it, sure the distance stars you'll see in the night sky may illuminate a little but not much, electricity which mind you is a natural agent as well as machine generated like a nuclear reactor on earth is compared to the fusion in a natural sun..
The sun is a star just like many billions of them in our universe not all the same size or stage. I'm of science as well so to get into that with someone we have to be on the same page, because we will only be rebuking each other...
If the sun went out, first the earth would loose a lot of heat it gets from it, sure the distance stars you'll see in the night sky may illuminate a little but not much, electricity which mind you is a natural agent as well as machine generated like a nuclear reactor on earth is compared to the fusion in a natural sun..
Lauren, taking the word and saying it is all spiritual is not to negate the temporal.
It is to say that the word of God is spirit because God is Spirit.
The words I give you, they are Spirit and truth.
Yes, Adam and Eve were not Spirit beings only. They also walked in the temporal.
After the fall, that is when the fracture occured and they walked in the temporal without the cohesiveness of the Spirit.
Once we do receive the Spirit though, we begin to walk in the cohesiveness that was lost to us.
It is to say that the word of God is spirit because God is Spirit.
The words I give you, they are Spirit and truth.
Yes, Adam and Eve were not Spirit beings only. They also walked in the temporal.
After the fall, that is when the fracture occured and they walked in the temporal without the cohesiveness of the Spirit.
Once we do receive the Spirit though, we begin to walk in the cohesiveness that was lost to us.
L
are you correcting what I stated? or backpeddling on what you stated and some have agreed with?
pardon my frankness...it is not an attack..
big news: EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN ALIVE is sealed with the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption...for which ALL of creation groans
what do you mean by 'once we receive the Spirit? and frankly, I prefer to call the third person of the Godhead the Holy Spirit or Spirit of God to avoid any confusion because there are many spirits
the Bible is a far greater book than the limits I see being placed on it in this thread
again, I am direct...not attacking
thank you
I'm not rebuking you...I'm having a conversation with you to try to understand your thoughts...
You were saying this first light is a natural light, which meant to me, that you were saying there was a natural light before the sun. I am trying to figure out what you mean by that.
Before this light came to here, it says darkness covered. But you appear to me to be saying that although this darkness and light are before the created light of the sun, there was some sort of natural light. Which means darkness did not cover...It is confusing to me that God made the temporal sun to light the temporal earth but you say there was temporal light of some sort before this. So I am trying to figure out what temporal light you are talking about before the creation of the sun.
You were saying this first light is a natural light, which meant to me, that you were saying there was a natural light before the sun. I am trying to figure out what you mean by that.
Before this light came to here, it says darkness covered. But you appear to me to be saying that although this darkness and light are before the created light of the sun, there was some sort of natural light. Which means darkness did not cover...It is confusing to me that God made the temporal sun to light the temporal earth but you say there was temporal light of some sort before this. So I am trying to figure out what temporal light you are talking about before the creation of the sun.
L
Oh no! I am not being dismissive or condescending! I am trying to figure out what you where meaning.
Iamjusthavingaconversation.
Iamjusthavingaconversation.
well good then
perhaps, as I have read your posts and the rest of this thread, you might answer my questions please
and it would also be nice if you address my post
thanks
you are stating this is a conversation...yet you refer to the op as a study...so...the responsibility is far greater than just tossing ideas around
No worries. I don't feel attacked!
I'm not correcting. I was trying to respond to where you said it is a mistake to say all the word is spiritual. We know the word is Spirit because God is Spirit. And Jesus said, the words I give you, they are spirit...So to say the words are spirit does not do away with them also having literal temporal meaning, but it is the Spirit of the word that avails us. The temporal will be done away with.Then I was responding to the part where you said Adam and Eve were not just Spirit beings but also had temporal bodies. So I agreed they were spiritual and also temporal before the fall. There was no war between the two then.
Have I answered all of the questions?
Oh wait, you asked what I meant by saying: when we receive the Spirit. I meant when we are born again from above and receive Gods' Spirit.
I'm not correcting. I was trying to respond to where you said it is a mistake to say all the word is spiritual. We know the word is Spirit because God is Spirit. And Jesus said, the words I give you, they are spirit...So to say the words are spirit does not do away with them also having literal temporal meaning, but it is the Spirit of the word that avails us. The temporal will be done away with.Then I was responding to the part where you said Adam and Eve were not just Spirit beings but also had temporal bodies. So I agreed they were spiritual and also temporal before the fall. There was no war between the two then.
Have I answered all of the questions?
Oh wait, you asked what I meant by saying: when we receive the Spirit. I meant when we are born again from above and receive Gods' Spirit.
He gives us each some parts, yes. This is why we should listen to all parts of the body and what they have to say. Sometimes we dismiss what the hand has to say because it isn't the mouth! we don't always listen well to each other and sometimes dismiss everything someone has to say because we disagree with one part or even one word of it.
we don't always listen well to each other and sometimes dismiss everything someone has to say because we disagree with one part or even one word of it.
B
I'm not rebuking you...I'm having a conversation with you to try to understand your thoughts...
You were saying this first light is a natural light, which meant to me, that you were saying there was a natural light before the sun. I am trying to figure out what you mean by that.
Before this light came to here, it says darkness covered. But you appear to me to be saying that although this darkness and light are before the created light of the sun, there was some sort of natural light. Which means darkness did not cover...It is confusing to me that God made the temporal sun to light the temporal earth but you say there was temporal light of some sort before this. So I am trying to figure out what temporal light you are talking about before the creation of the sun.
You were saying this first light is a natural light, which meant to me, that you were saying there was a natural light before the sun. I am trying to figure out what you mean by that.
Before this light came to here, it says darkness covered. But you appear to me to be saying that although this darkness and light are before the created light of the sun, there was some sort of natural light. Which means darkness did not cover...It is confusing to me that God made the temporal sun to light the temporal earth but you say there was temporal light of some sort before this. So I am trying to figure out what temporal light you are talking about before the creation of the sun.
Adam and Eve were called man and woman today is the same...
A man is a man a woman is a woman and a sun is a sun no matter were in the universe it be...