The Book Of Enoch

miknik5 · Jun 29, 2017

Re: The Book Of Enochu

Enow said:

The sons of men came into the world through the mother of all living... Eve

therefore the generations of the sons of Adam counted into the genealogical line as in the likeness of their father were never based on some pure undefiled seed, since the seed was already tainted by the fall

im not fully convinced that the sons of god were natural man

miknik5 · Jun 29, 2017

A daughter tied to her husband became united to him
and under him she came into his house and included therefore in the godly line

look at Sarah, Abraham's wife

abraham, chosen by GOD, gives his wife Sarah to Abimelech and GOD sees this and tells abimelech to give Sarah back to her husband because he is a prophet. She is tied to him

so if the sons of god, mentioned in Genesis 6 were truly human sons of god, their union with a woman would have been acceptable to GOD by virtue of their position as sons of God

But these unions weren't

Gabriel2020 · Jun 29, 2017

JUDE; 1; 14 talks about Enoch prophesing, but no record in the bible of his prophesy. So I would say that Jude knew of this book.

Enow · Jun 29, 2017

Re: The Book Of Enochu

miknik5 said:

From that point of view, I understand why, but you need to follow the genealogy. In Luke. it traces back on Mary's side of the family starting with Joseph as the head of the family of her house.

Luke 3:[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,[SUP] 25 [/SUP]Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, .............
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, [SUP]35 [/SUP]Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, [SUP]36 [/SUP]Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

Noe is Noah FYI... continuing down the family tree ...

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, [SUP]38 [/SUP]Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Now we know that there was an Abel that Cain had slain and Seth was born to replace godly Abel that was slain. There were other sons and daughters by Adam and Eve which is how Cain had a wife outside the godly lineage of Abel... if he was even married, which looks like more than likely, he was not.

So when Seth took the place of godly Abel, that was from Whom Israel had come from. That is the point of reference as they were the sons of God presenting themselves to the Lord as Abel had done in like practice by presenting an acceptable & better sacrifice to the Lord and Cain had not. The godly lineage of Seth began the practice of presenting themselves to the Lord whereas other siblings including Cain did not. This concern for having a relationship with the Lord was pleasing to God and why they had longer lives than those of other men which was limited to 120 years.

Then they began to marry outside the godly lineage of Seth and trouble began where every thought of the heart of man was evil continually, but Noah found grace in God's eyes for I assume, he alone continued to present himself to the Lord, caring about his relationship with the Lord.

If you see how long that godly line had lived as opposed to the regular lives of men which was 120 years, then you can see that the sons of God, Israel's ancestry, were their role models, directly & indirectly, from scripture to not marry outside the nation of Israel.

If you go to this link below showing Genesis 5th chapter, you can see how long the godly line of Seth back to Adam were living which was why when trouble began in the 6th chapter, God began limiting man to live a 120 years.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5&version=KJV

Enow · Jun 29, 2017

miknik5 said:

Their unions produced giants in the earth and then every thought of the heart of man was evil continually and that was what made the Lord repent of having made man because of that. Nothing else.

Just as when Israel marry outside the nation of Israel, they embrace other gods and thus provoke the Lord to anger. The marriage itself was not bad, but it did lead to sin just as it did for the sons of God.

Enow · Jun 29, 2017

Gabriel2020 said:

Jude 1:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jude testified of what Enoch had said; not what was written by Enoch.

Did not Moses testified of what was said by Adam and Eve? Did not Moses have written of the exchanges between Cain & Abel? Did Moses had any writings to refer from? So can Jude testified of what Enoch had prophesied saying those things.

How can the writings of Enoch as written by Enoch survive the Flood when there was no need for it in regards to the nation of Israel which was not in existence yet?

As erroneous as it is to even be considered as scripture, because no lie can be of the truth, then the Book of Enoch is a fraud as it stole that line from Jude to make it look authenticate, but it cannot because of the lies that are in it.

miknik5 · Jun 29, 2017

Enow said:

if it was a natural union of a son of god who was still a man and a daughter of men why did the union produce a giant

Solomon had many wives

GOD wasn't angry until his many wives influenced him

the children of GOD were supposed to set themselves apart from the nations around them. They were supposed to be a light to others teaching them and leading them to know GOD

Instead of keeping themselves separate, they adopted the customs of the margins around them

But GOD called all men to know HIM

The Israelites were taken out of Egypt because they were oppressed and they called out to GOD and GOD heard them
but after HE had taken them out HE said, do not treat an alien as an alien because you too were once aliens but I took you out by a strong arm by many signs

and HE said to them any alien amongst you who wishes to celebrate the Passover needed to be circumcised/set apart/marked/covenanted to GOD

Because all along GOD was looking for godly offspring
There is only ONE GOD and FATHER of all men

Gabriel2020 · Jun 29, 2017

Moses was shown the old world from beginning to end. It was not just told to him. that is not God's way. he always show things in visions. That is how Moses knew to write about those things. From what I am getting from the book of Enoch is The spiritual world and their functions regarding mankind,where as the bible is focused on mankind and his relation with God. righteous and unrighteous.

miknik5 · Jun 29, 2017

Seth didn't replace Abel but he was counted in the genealogy because it would be by his seed (not cain's) showing that it is GOD who chooses. That the call is not based on natural order but on GOD's call

cain was very much alive but he was not in the likeness of his earthly father

but all children are (because of the fall) imperfect and the result of the sin, Eve would be the mother of all living

and she didn't only bare daughters

PennEd · Jun 29, 2017

Here is an excellent, thorough, study dealing with Genesis 6, and the "sons of God" issue.

Watch before passing judgment please:

[video=youtube;eFiFcW84K_A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiFcW84K_A&t=2835s[/video]

Gabriel2020 · Jun 29, 2017

What I get out of Adam and Eve is that Cain and Abel might have been born before the fall. that is why the genealogy starts with Seth, because he was born in the likeness of Adam, and in his image because He became his own God., no longer in the likeness of God but the same image.

S-word · Jun 29, 2017

Meggido said:

When God said to Adam and Eve; "Be fruitful, and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and gain dominion over all the creatures, etc." Was he not saying; "Be fruitful have sex and produce many children, who also will have sex til you have filled the earth and subdued it?"

Sex is a wonderful gift from our creator.

miknik5 · Jun 29, 2017

Re: The Book Of Enochu

Enow said:

From that point of view, I understand why, but you need to follow the genealogy. In Luke. it traces back on Mary's side of the family starting with Joseph as the head of the family of her house.

Luke 3:[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,[SUP] 25 [/SUP]Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, .............
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, [SUP]35 [/SUP]Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, [SUP]36 [/SUP]Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

Noe is Noah FYI... continuing down the family tree ...

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, [SUP]38 [/SUP]Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Now we know that there was an Abel that Cain had slain and Seth was born to replace godly Abel that was slain. There were other sons and daughters by Adam and Eve which is how Cain had a wife outside the godly lineage of Abel... if he was even married, which looks like more than likely, he was not.

So when Seth took the place of godly Abel, that was from Whom Israel had come from. That is the point of reference as they were the sons of God presenting themselves to the Lord as Abel had done in like practice by presenting an acceptable & better sacrifice to the Lord and Cain had not. The godly lineage of Seth began the practice of presenting themselves to the Lord whereas other siblings including Cain did not. This concern for having a relationship with the Lord was pleasing to God and why they had longer lives than those of other men which was limited to 120 years.

Then they began to marry outside the godly lineage of Seth and trouble began where every thought of the heart of man was evil continually, but Noah found grace in God's eyes for I assume, he alone continued to present himself to the Lord, caring about his relationship with the Lord.

If you see how long that godly line had lived as opposed to the regular lives of men which was 120 years, then you can see that the sons of God, Israel's ancestry, were their role models, directly & indirectly, from scripture to not marry outside the nation of Israel.

If you go to this link below showing Genesis 5th chapter, you can see how long the godly line of Seth back to Adam were living which was why when trouble began in the 6th chapter, God began limiting man to live a 120 years.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5&version=KJV

Another thing I want to remind you of which is making it hard for me to accept your insight

CHRIST refers to Abel when HE says HE will avenge the deaths of all the prophets from Abel to Zechariah

Setth did not replace Abel

Abel was still in the likeness of his father but he couldn't bring forth any children into the world to carry down the genealogical line because he was killed by Cain

Seth replaced the older brother, Cain (who was alive) because Cain was not in the likeness of his father, Adam

Denadii · Jun 29, 2017

J7 said:

A time or four. I have a copy. Haven't you?

Denadii · Jun 29, 2017

Meggido said:

LOL Yet if you were a literature teacher you would use Tennyson, Dickens, Poe, Longfellow. If you taught physics you would use Einstein, Bohr, Newton, If you taught Math you might us Bigolo, Descartes or Nash but not the Book of Enoch when you teach the bible....The book of Enoch runs parallel to the bible. and verifies it. I'll wager you have never even read it. But you've formed a judgment with no facts. Or if you have read it it was prejudged.

S-word · Jun 29, 2017

Re: The Book Of Enochu

Enow said:

Correction. People, who have never bothered to study the scriptures in depth, will undoubtedly point to the fact that the KJV, The Revised Standard Version and other Bibles, have Luke saying in chapter 3 verse 23: “And Jesus himself began to be about 30 years of Age, being (As was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.”

Had those people bothered to study the scriptures, they would have discovered for themselves, that the words (As was supposed) in brackets are not in the more ancient Greek manuscripts of Luke! Those words were simply a gloss, which were added by later Christian translators.

In the different translations of the KJV into Arabic, Afrikaan, Zulu, etc and even some of the more modern English translations, such as the Good News Bible, the words (As was supposed) have been retained, but the brackets are removed, thus by, making those words appear to be the declaration of Luke, while the serious biblical students know that they were not written by Luke, but were a later interpolation and a corruption of the Holy Scriptures, by those Christians, who refuse to accept that Jesus was not a God who became a man, but a man, born of human parents, who was later CHOSEN by the Lord our saviour, as his heir and successor.

Denadii · Jun 29, 2017

Enow said:

It's a fraud, because scripture cannot go against scripture and that is why it was never accepted as scripture.

This portion in chapter 18 of the Book of Enoch....from this link below:

The Book of Enoch Online

"when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

It is complete dung, because it runs contrary to this scripture.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

To believe the Book of Enoch to be scripture is to disbelieve the word of God in Isaiah 55:11

There are others offenses that runs contrary to the scripture since angels are not marrying nor given in marriage and so in no way would God join fallen angels in marriage.

Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

The sons of God were the descendants of the godly lineage of Seth from which Israel's family tree sprung from.

You can't have the sons of God as angels when God will not join them. They cannot be fallen angels when scripture called them the sons of God.

So the sons of God were godly men that married outside the family line, thus setting an example as to why Israel was not to marry outside the nation of Israel to preserve themselves as the sons of God which they used to be before Christ had come.

Flesh cannot give birth to spirits; and yet that is the result of this fraudulent interbreeding between the celestial & the terrestrial.

John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So that is how the Book of Enoch is running against scripture and why it is fraudulent. The author(s) plagiarized portions of the New Testament to give its crappy writing style some legitimacy, and so you should see the evidence there as well.

Now this person did not read it.

Gabriel2020 · Jun 29, 2017

God made Adam to be by himself, the only one of his kind, till he saw how lonely he was without a mate or help meet. Only then did he tell them to be fruitful and multiply. The same way the animals were. The first few verses of genesis is summary, and not in that order.

Denadii · Jun 29, 2017

Gabriel2020 said:

LOL I wonder how much more peaceful this world would be if Adam had not started whining, and pushing God to separate him into his two separate parts. god made Adam male and female Adam cried until God separated him....people have been whining ever since. LOL

S-word · Jun 29, 2017

Gabriel2020 said:

The books of Enoch from which Jude, the half brother to Jesus quoted, were cherished by the early Christians right up until the fourth century, when they were banned by such dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine, because they believed the subject of the sons of God having sex with the daughters of man was inappropriate.

After being banned, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for millennia, but they were definitely being read in those days and especially by the Greek speaking Jews of Galilee where Jesus and his brothers and sisters lived.

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