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Let me reiterate -
"Let me speak plainly - NO ONE is saying that we shouldn't obey, i.e. walk by the Spirit. But that salvation is a gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ. We do not WORK for our salvation nor is there anything we can do to be good in and of ourselves. It takes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and that comes from being born again and that can not and is not achieved through WORKS."
"Let me speak plainly - NO ONE is saying that we shouldn't obey, i.e. walk by the Spirit. But that salvation is a gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ. We do not WORK for our salvation nor is there anything we can do to be good in and of ourselves. It takes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and that comes from being born again and that can not and is not achieved through WORKS."
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that NO MAN is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but the man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: .. . . That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. . . . . Now to Abraham and hissed were the promises made, He saith not, And to seeds as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, the covenant that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is nor more of promise: but God gave t to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; . . .
Galatians 3:5-13a, 14, 16-19a
Galatians 3:5-13a, 14, 16-19a
I just LOVE those scriptures, they reveal everything of the promise of Abraham, the fulfillment of the Promise of the Father upon us through Christ 
Now that we are born of Jesus and His Bride, we are Fathered! We are now His Children. Children of the Bridegroom and the Bride. Sons of God. As it says in the Greek, "Sons of His and Her Love" Israel redeemed!
Something not at all contained in the law, which came much later. The law came and went. But the Holy Spirit of Christ Fathered in you shall remain forever! WahoOO!!!
Now that we are born of Jesus and His Bride, we are Fathered! We are now His Children. Children of the Bridegroom and the Bride. Sons of God. As it says in the Greek, "Sons of His and Her Love" Israel redeemed!Something not at all contained in the law, which came much later. The law came and went. But the Holy Spirit of Christ Fathered in you shall remain forever! WahoOO!!!
The words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers states that
those in the new covenant are not under the law (1Co 9:20), which only condemns (Gal 3:10),
but are under the new covenant law of Christ given in the NT, which is the law of God (1Co 9:21).
You differ with 1Co 9:20-21, Gal 3:10 and Heb 1:1-2?
those in the new covenant are not under the law (1Co 9:20), which only condemns (Gal 3:10),
but are under the new covenant law of Christ given in the NT, which is the law of God (1Co 9:21).
You differ with 1Co 9:20-21, Gal 3:10 and Heb 1:1-2?
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I am with Elin, UNDER the law of Life and Liberty. Under GRACE. Free from the obliterated law of Moses that you appear to promote other people here to be "under".
Ah ah now, I've been reading this stuff for nearly two hours now, I see what is going on. If that isn't the impression you intend, just know that is the impression you give, and maybe to think twice if that is what you mean before saying it.
Everytime Elin or someone shares the Word of God, you have to come up with a differing statement, just to make noise. What is your motivation here sir? Do you REALLY think that being under the old Mosaic covenant of sin and death has ANY benefit or jurisdiction upon you today? You sure seem to be arguing that. Are you? If so, and you believe that, then you are correct and will reap that reward. But what salvation you have given up to claim that! You might want to be very careful what you claim, because you will get it.
Hopefully you will read what being under that old obliterated law covenant will get you;
(Rom 3:19)
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God:
If you don't intend to be showing people you are under that old law, you might want to really consider what you are typing before pushing that "reply" button. Just a word to the wise.
I might be way off track here, but this sounds dangerously like the old jewish dung that I was delivered out of, a very tough road in fact. People pushing that death law on me, to "keep it" or "be under it" or "it's still in affect" and so on. No it isn't. The law is obliterated. Do we not all agree on that here? I mean, I am not under that law. I received Christ as the Messiah promised to Israel. I've received His Holy Spirit. I am "under" the New Covenant in Christ's Blood. I was delivere OUT FROM UNDER the old Heavens rule of the "law" thank you Jesus! This is clean and straight forward presentation, and Elin is giving a beautiful testimony... yet some men here would contend to still somehow they want some aspect of that law still applicable to their lives even after receiving Christ?
Is this what I am reading here?
Ah ah now, I've been reading this stuff for nearly two hours now, I see what is going on. If that isn't the impression you intend, just know that is the impression you give, and maybe to think twice if that is what you mean before saying it.
Everytime Elin or someone shares the Word of God, you have to come up with a differing statement, just to make noise. What is your motivation here sir? Do you REALLY think that being under the old Mosaic covenant of sin and death has ANY benefit or jurisdiction upon you today? You sure seem to be arguing that. Are you? If so, and you believe that, then you are correct and will reap that reward. But what salvation you have given up to claim that! You might want to be very careful what you claim, because you will get it.
Hopefully you will read what being under that old obliterated law covenant will get you;
(Rom 3:19)
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God:
If you don't intend to be showing people you are under that old law, you might want to really consider what you are typing before pushing that "reply" button. Just a word to the wise.
I might be way off track here, but this sounds dangerously like the old jewish dung that I was delivered out of, a very tough road in fact. People pushing that death law on me, to "keep it" or "be under it" or "it's still in affect" and so on. No it isn't. The law is obliterated. Do we not all agree on that here? I mean, I am not under that law. I received Christ as the Messiah promised to Israel. I've received His Holy Spirit. I am "under" the New Covenant in Christ's Blood. I was delivere OUT FROM UNDER the old Heavens rule of the "law" thank you Jesus! This is clean and straight forward presentation, and Elin is giving a beautiful testimony... yet some men here would contend to still somehow they want some aspect of that law still applicable to their lives even after receiving Christ?
Is this what I am reading here?