the lie that Jesus ministry was law

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus Christ completed the levitical laws, that is the priestly laws, for He and only He is our High Priest Who need not offer sacrifices for Himself since He is and always has been perfect.

None of the laws given to Moses which are included in the two great laws are ever to be abolished.

The Ten Commandments, written first by God, Himself, are not obsolete.

Jesus Christ terminated the food laws, dietary laws, in His teachings.

By His Example we know that whenever mercy may be offered it is to be given, such as when He did not allow the woman caught in adultery to be stoned to death by arguing her freedom from that law............did He break the law?

He did not break the law for He always followed the three principles He mentioned to the jypoctrites in applying faith, mercy and justice.

When these are apllied the laws of Love afre fulfilled......this by no means says God was crazy when He gave Moses the law. If we read all of the Word we will see that some of the laws were never intended to be applied.........for some of the ordinaces and statutes given were bad, according to God's Word.......

Study the Word of God from beginning to end to be found not wanting.

If one has not studied, yet speaks on a particular subject, well, we know what is taught about one such in Proverbs and elsewhere....... Who would dare respond to a question before it has been posed?

why do you go here and think this makes sense? It makes no sense at all. Are you saying you do not believe Jesus was the only person who ever lived perfectly according to the law. That other people have also? That you have? Or you can?

Well news flash,. If you broke one command, You are guilty, You are under a curse. Because as Moses wrote, and as Paul re-affirmed, Cursed is every who does not confirm and obey every word written. And no. This is not speaking of the Levitical laws. it is speaking of the many commands, the moral laws. Most specifically, and not to take away from. The ten commands (it was written right after they were given)

Your right, the law will never stop. As long as their are non believers who need led to Christ. It will still be valid (they need the schoolmaster also)

But for those of us who has been led by the schoolmaster. We are not under law. We are under grace.

I repeat.

1. Jesus because a curse for us (who can not obey the law on our own)
2. Once the schoolmaster leads us to Christ, it's job is done (and not. This is not just the dietary and levitical laws. They can not show you you are a sinner. OInly the moral laws can do this.. Without them, The laws use as a schoolmaster is null and void. The law is one unit. It must stand as one.

 

[Grace777x70]

When we hear that Christians are not under the law of Moses anymore - including the 10 commandments - immediately our natural mind says "What?...does that mean we can murder now and steal all we want now - that is lawlessness?

What it means is that we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of liberty, the law of faith ( the law is NOT of faith ) and the law of Christ - Himself. We can trust His life in us to not murder and steal. Love does no ill to anyone.

Preach and teach Christ and the fruit of the Spirit will come forth from the new creation that is in Christ. His life will come forth from within us as He bears His fruit in and through us to others.

The teaching of the law including the 10 commandments just stirs up sin - as that is it's purpose as Paul said. We need to be preaching and teaching Christ Himself and all that He has already done for us

 

[JaumeJ]

In response to your opening doubts of my faith, it sounds to me that anyone who does ot learn and follow what Jesus Christ teaches is missing out on much of how the law works within the parameters of grace.

No man is saved by obeying th elaw, but all the lost are lost because of breaking it willfully.

why do you go here and think this makes sense? It makes no sense at all. Are you saying you do not believe Jesus was the only person who ever lived perfectly according to the law. That other people have also? That you have? Or you can?

Well news flash,. If you broke one command, You are guilty, You are under a curse. Because as Moses wrote, and as Paul re-affirmed, Cursed is every who does not confirm and obey every word written. And no. This is not speaking of the Levitical laws. it is speaking of the many commands, the moral laws. Most specifically, and not to take away from. The ten commands (it was written right after they were given)

Your right, the law will never stop. As long as their are non believers who need led to Christ. It will still be valid (they need the schoolmaster also)

But for those of us who has been led by the schoolmaster. We are not under law. We are under grace.

I repeat.

1. Jesus because a curse for us (who can not obey the law on our own)
2. Once the schoolmaster leads us to Christ, it's job is done (and not. This is not just the dietary and levitical laws. They can not show you you are a sinner. OInly the moral laws can do this.. Without them, The laws use as a schoolmaster is null and void. The law is one unit. It must stand as one.

 

[jaybird88]

What part of gal 3 do you not understand?

The fact is, By the law the Jews thought they were righteous. That's why they crucified Christ. They distorted,. Twisted, and lowered the standard of the law so they could be ok. Like all religious people do.

The law was given to make sin known, so they could know. Whoever does not obey every word is under s curse (in Moses own words) (which will lead to prison if that curse is not removed)

Only the religious looks to the law and thinks they are ok. Those who trust Christ look to the law and see their guilt and shame, Not think they are ok.

Jesus explained this with the tax collector/pharisee (not tax collector and "a Jew") parable. there is no mention of the problem being the law. its the person
John the baptist, Samuel, Elijah all obeyed the law, they didnt do this to use as a tool to set themselves above others.
the pharisees were corrupting the law and leading many away. they corrupted it by adding to it. they knew it but didnt follow it. i dont remember Jesus correcting them for following the law, he corrected them for being hypocrites and adding to it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus explained this with the tax collector/pharisee (not tax collector and "a Jew") parable. there is no mention of the problem being the law. its the person
John the baptist, Samuel, Elijah all obeyed the law, they didnt do this to use as a tool to set themselves above others.
the pharisees were corrupting the law and leading many away. they corrupted it by adding to it. they knew it but didnt follow it. i dont remember Jesus correcting them for following the law, he corrected them for being hypocrites and adding to it.

non of those people walked around with the thought. I am not going to commit adultry, Steal, Lie Cheat. They went around serving others

The Pharisee was the teacher of the law. He however, took it wrong, He thought since he obeyed it, he was ok with God. When Jesus said no your not. He got angry.

The tax collector looked to the law. AND said he was guilty, and got on his knees and called out to God.

If your looking to the law and think you are ok. You are not interpreting the law correctly. You have misapplied the law.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

no, if a person rejects Jesus, they can obey the mosaic law to the letter and they still will not be born again, a person who rejects the gospel cant be born again, because the spirit comes through believing what Jesus said, that is what all of the apostles taught, the gospel, everything Jesus taught them, He then commanded them to go teach all nations to learn and obey His gospel ministry.

with Jesus gospel it is different from the law the law is regulations for earthly Life, blessings for earthly Life, rules for earthly worship ect......in the gospel, we are called to put whatever belongs to our earthly nature to death through the gospel. Our sinful thoughts, actions, desires that are contrary to what is good and right. the gospel is not calling sinners, but it calls " sinners to repentance" repentance is not just changing the mind, but changing the mind and applying it to actions, choices. a simple fact of this that really cant be argued just this point : If Jesus taught a lesson, it is the best wisdom man can ever know, it is Gods own word of the new covenant, Just like He gave His words for the first covenant to the people through moses, the mediator between man and God in the old testament. The Law came through moses it was Gods own Word, spoken to moses, then moses told the people, THEN moses told the people to obey Gods commandments, THEN there was shedding of blood to put the covenant into effect. the covenant came this way

God delivered the hebrews from slavery, because He promised abraham that He would, and because God is faithful to His word, and full of Love and compassion for His people. Then the hebrews were led into the desert, sustained by God through miracles, Then they were Given the Law, told to obey the Law, then those who refused to repent and obey the Law, were destroyed by Gods word that said " the wages of sin, is death.

the gospel came this way

God promised the messiah , the great prophet would come to the isrealites first, and then they would spread Gods Kingdom to all nations on earth. The isrealites were afraid of God he was lightning storms thunder, pillars of fire, His power displayed to man, when they approached Him they were destroyed, they were so afraid they were afriad of His word they asked moses to ask God to stop speaking to them it was fear based, because God is power and might. In response to this, God promised to "raise up a prophet Like moses from among thier own people, a brother, who God would speak through ( Jesus) the messiah, the promised annointed One of God, the only One, the Only name that really matters. God made it really clear, and then in acts, peter and paul both make it super clear that Jesus IS this prophet and the promised messiah, His IS the one all the prophets and Law testified to, He is the complete Son of the Only God, the source of All of creation is Jesus and His powerful word that sustains creation.

the real point to me is that Jesus Christs Words are identified throughout the n.t. as Life for Christians, peter, John, paul all clearly make the statements that anyone who deviates from Jesus teachings and doctrine are not to be believed clear statements that Jesus ministry is Christianity. there is no reason to think im saying obedience saves, im saying because Believe the teachings of Jesus if a person studies Jesus words, they will themselves see the clear message i saved you even when you were a sinner because i Love you, Now go live the way I taught you to Live Learn from Me i am Humble, my yoke is easy, my burden Lightm Just believe in me, hear my words, believe my words, trust my words , put yopur heart into Living the way i taught you, because I Loved you already i layed down my Life to show my Love...Now I , Jesus am, telling you " Love me and obey my teachings, my teachings teach YOU how to treat other people How to Love your neighboe as yourself. He is identified in the n.t. as The Son of God, the Light of the gentiles, The Savior of the whole world, the Lord of Heaven and earth, the Messiah, the first and Last, the WORD of God the apostle and High priest, the King of Kings and Lord of lords. Im saying any christian who believes Jesus died for thier sin, is supposed to then Live for Jesus. just Like the bible teaches.

Jesus " neither do i condemn you now go and leave your life of sin."

Paul you are saved by grace through faith, created in Jesus Christ TO DO GOOD WORKS, prepared for you to do."

Paul " it is by Grace you have been saved.....if you live to please the flesh you will die, BUT if by the spirit you put to death the MISDEEDS of the body, you will live."

Bieng saved by Grace and given the spirit by faith, is not the end it is like a seed entrusted to us, we then actually are supposed to put our own heart into learning Jesus gospel, and living it to Honor the price He paid. these things are what the bible actually teaches. it doesnt teach the things like the gog " dont work or your trying to save yourself...your already finished in christ, dont let anything make you feel guilty, convicted, because your the righteousness of Christ, just believe but dont make effort dont actually learn and follow Jesus thats " mosaic law he taught".....when people stray from scripture and create new ideas that arent taught throughout the scriptures, its a false doctrine begining to root in a persons mind. the things in the 4 gospels are witnesses to the world of Jesus eternal Ministry that Brings Life through faith in Jesus, the kind of faith that doesnt Just say " Lord, Lord" but actuially hears Jesus and does the things He teaches, Hes a teacher to us, he teaches so many amazing things that He learned from His Father ( His own words btw) things He saw in Heaven He spoke and taught the world first the jews and then commanding them to go teach those same things to all the world. these are the things taught in scripture. if Grace doesnt lead to repentance, then spmeone hasnt really accepted Jesus suffering and death for thier sin. repentance is the first step, and then we walk in that confession of repentance because its from the heart, we stumble, fall....but we get up and hold to repentance to pressing forward, Jesus is perfect, we arent....BUT we ARE COMMANDED to Learn His gospel and follow His words with our heart, our effort , our commitment.....again we stumble, and there id grace to lift us up but still we fight, we run the race, we bear one anothers burdens, we do the very thingsa JESUS says to actually do. hes really teaching Love as God Himself sees it

Maybe we are saying the same thing In different ways,I'm not sure,but I know that a person has to be born of the Spirit of GOD first..

 

[followjesus]

why do you go here and think this makes sense? It makes no sense at all. Are you saying you do not believe Jesus was the only person who ever lived perfectly according to the law. That other people have also? That you have? Or you can?

Well news flash,. If you broke one command, You are guilty, You are under a curse. Because as Moses wrote, and as Paul re-affirmed, Cursed is every who does not confirm and obey every word written. And no. This is not speaking of the Levitical laws. it is speaking of the many commands, the moral laws. Most specifically, and not to take away from. The ten commands (it was written right after they were given)

Your right, the law will never stop. As long as their are non believers who need led to Christ. It will still be valid (they need the schoolmaster also)

But for those of us who has been led by the schoolmaster. We are not under law. We are under grace.

I repeat.

1. Jesus because a curse for us (who can not obey the law on our own)
2. Once the schoolmaster leads us to Christ, it's job is done (and not. This is not just the dietary and levitical laws. They can not show you you are a sinner. OInly the moral laws can do this.. Without them, The laws use as a schoolmaster is null and void. The law is one unit. It must stand as one.

actually they are correct. Whatever Jesus validated in His ministry stands as the authority over Christians. He did infact validate the 10 commandments, the gog has blinded you folks who trust in websters Grace rather than that which Jesus brought to us from God. the Law is valid, those who die with Jesus, died to the Law. thier " Law" is that which Jesus made eternal having the authority to do so. the gog doctrine omits the only Life and the only source OF Grace and truth. denies the authority of Jesus as Our apostle, denies the graet commission, and anything Jesus said that requires repentance. the gog is what people put thier faith in, when their hearts are set on themselves being free to live as they wish, free of consequence Paul repeatedly makes plain that if you Live in sin, you will not inherit Gods kingdom. Paul makes clear several times

"does grace mean we are free to go on sinning without punishment? BY NO MEANS!" " if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the misdeeds of your body you wil live" all the gog will ever accept is romans 8:1 and the few verses out of context plucked from the true message, that can be twisted to fit a man made doctrine that allows people to continue in selfishness and sin. Grace that Hates obedience is not from God. Grace that omits Jesus words , is not from God. anything that teaches anything contrary to Jesus ministry, is not from God. Fact. what Jesus the King Has said, goes. there is no scripture, you or any gog believer will ever find even suggesting that Jesus words dont apply directly as the authority of His chuirch, then, now, or ever.

 

[followjesus]

Maybe we are saying the same thing In different ways,I'm not sure,but I know that a person has to be born of the Spirit of GOD first..

agreed. I am saying that if a person Rejects Jesus words, they cant be born of the spirit. our birth comes through the word, the word is spirit and Life. John 6:63. 1 peter 1:23.

 

[followjesus]

non of those people walked around with the thought. I am not going to commit adultry, Steal, Lie Cheat. They went around serving others

The Pharisee was the teacher of the law. He however, took it wrong, He thought since he obeyed it, he was ok with God. When Jesus said no your not. He got angry.

The tax collector looked to the law. AND said he was guilty, and got on his knees and called out to God.

If your looking to the law and think you are ok. You are not interpreting the law correctly. You have misapplied the law.

The truth > john 1:17 "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

the gog distortion " the law came through moses and then Jesus...Grace came through paul."

completely blinded doctrine fueled by deception. There is no grace without Jesus ministry. where do you think paul understood Grace from?

john 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Jesus says many things Just Like this " Just believe in me children and you will be saved."

Yet the issue with the blindfold is you all will say we believe in Jesus, we believe He is " God".....at the very same moment you are saying that...you reason and decypher and explain ( not from scripture mind you) why Jesus words dont apply to you when you see things Like this

matthew 7:21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

matthew 7:24-27 "“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Just believe.....the One you all say is Lord, yet deny the Lords authority , makes noi sense and is an endless circle of wierd explainations of why Jesus taught mosaic Law lol. Yet not one time in 9 months do any of you have any scripture saying any of the things you preach to people explaining why " its a bad idea to accept what Jesus says of His Kingdom." nonsense

 

[seed_time_harvest]

agreed. I am saying that if a person Rejects Jesus words, they cant be born of the spirit. our birth comes through the word, the word is spirit and Life. John 6:63. 1 peter 1:23.

Remember It's a one time thing for salvation by GOD's Grace through faith and then we are members of the body of CHRIST,GOD's workmanship created IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works that was before ordain that we should walk In them and just like a person Is free from their marriage through death,we died with CHRIST being members of his body,now to be married to the Spirit.

Then by the mercies of GOD,present your bodies a living sacrifice which Is reasonable that you might prove what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.<--- that would be talking about how your neighbor needs to see the new creation you have become In action.GOD already has justified you and made your spirit perfect.

 

[JaumeJ]

When you actually read the New Testament, you learn Jesus Christ lived and died to give us the Gospel, called dthe Gospel of Jesus c¨hrist because there is only one! Ask paul; he teaches this.

Within the Gospel Jesus christ teaches us how to apply the law with grace, whil living in His mercy and grace. Of course Jesus teaches the law by clarifying it, and how to approach it lawfully.

For the umpteenth time from the umpteenthe person, it is teh curse of the law that is destroyed on the cross, but this for only those who believe Jesus Christ.

Get this for this is important, you have to study what Jesus Christ teaches before pronouncing on whether or not He teaches on teh subject, and obviously many here have not learned from Him.

May God bless you all, especially those who love Jesus Christ in spirit and truth and hear Him, amen.

 

[JaumeJ]

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Here, Jesus Christ is teaching the Law, however H is applying understanding and mercy, justice, and faith.

In the law it is required to return to your neighbor any injury he should cause you to have be it poking out your eye, cutting off your hand, whatever.......the perpetrator is to receive the same according to the law.

Yet, our blessed, merciful and all-wise Savior teaches us what? He teaches us to noto obey this Levitical law because it is without mercy, justice and faith. We creatures of teh Crator, our Father, are just plains too stupid to know what vengeance is, true vengeance that is, though I suspect I have been given a light knowledge of vengeance.

As it is written, vengeance belongs to God. I once asked myself why? Simple, because He knows exactly what is required, and I tell you most times He will do nothing for the vengeance is seen by dHim with time caused by whoever is guilty. Even juidgment to damnation and the fire will come out of the mouths of those who are judged, for it is written tehy will be juidged by their own words.

Everything is perfectly in order. Faith tells us and teaches our hearts never to judga others, ev en when the infraction(s) are obvious, however we must pray for salvation for all, even for those who trespass against us.

It is wonderful to be free of judging others in this manner, what a blessing, and what freedom, amen.

Anyone who says Jesus Christ does not teach and clarify the Lw within His gosple does not understand much about grace and love. How can anyone be truly free of the curse of the law if he has not learned these wonders from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yes, Jesus Chrsit teaches us how to understand the law lawfully in love and grace. If you know what He teaches in HIs gospel, you know He explains the law, this is teaching............

 

[seed_time_harvest]

When you actually read the New Testament, you learn Jesus Christ lived and died to give us the Gospel, called dthe Gospel of Jesus c¨hrist because there is only one! Ask paul; he teaches this.

Within the Gospel Jesus christ teaches us how to apply the law with grace, whil living in His mercy and grace. Of course Jesus teaches the law by clarifying it, and how to approach it lawfully.

For the umpteenth time from the umpteenthe person, it is teh curse of the law that is destroyed on the cross, but this for only those who believe Jesus Christ.

Get this for this is important, you have to study what Jesus Christ teaches before pronouncing on whether or not He teaches on teh subject, and obviously many here have not learned from Him.

May God bless you all, especially those who love Jesus Christ in spirit and truth and hear Him, amen.

I know you mean good but,JESUS Is the vine,you are the branch.HE supplies the nutrients to the branch and the fruit Is displayed on you.

Give GOD the credit for ALL the glory and you display the glory to your neighbor.

It's not to GOD be the glory and I helped a little bit.

 

[JaumeJ]

This is not even the beginning of a rejoining response to my post. Please, understand before commenting.

I know you mean good but,JESUS Is the vine,you are the branch.HE supplies the nutrients to the branch and the fruit Is displayed on you.

Give GOD the credit for ALL the glory and you display the glory to your neighbor.

It's not to GOD be the glory and I helped a little bit.

 

[FreeNChrist]

When you actually read the New Testament, you learn Jesus Christ lived and died to give us the Gospel, called dthe Gospel of Jesus c¨hrist because there is only one! Ask paul; he teaches this.

Within the Gospel Jesus christ teaches us how to apply the law with grace, whil living in His mercy and grace. Of course Jesus teaches the law by clarifying it, and how to approach it lawfully.

For the umpteenth time from the umpteenthe person, it is teh curse of the law that is destroyed on the cross, but this for only those who believe Jesus Christ.

Get this for this is important, you have to study what Jesus Christ teaches before pronouncing on whether or not He teaches on teh subject, and obviously many here have not learned from Him.

May God bless you all, especially those who love Jesus Christ in spirit and truth and hear Him, amen.

Nonsense. Jesus didn't live and die to give us the gospel , He lived, died, and rose again to life to give us Himself.

Jesus died for us, to give Himself to us, in order to live His life through us.

Wake up people!!

 

[oldethennew]

Jesus=God certainly doesn't need US to live His Life through, it's quite the opposite,
'we NEED Him in order to even have a life, much less to have Someone to live for...

He is The Word, and without His Gospel/Word, we are indeed dead any way that
you look at it...

ROMANS 5:10.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

MATT. 24:14.
And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.

MARK 1:15.
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

13:10.
And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

16:15.
And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

LUKE 4:18-19.
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

LUKE 4:43.
And He said unto them, I must preach the Kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Jesus=God certainly doesn't need US to live His Life through, it's quite the opposite,
'we NEED Him in order to even have a life, much less to have Someone to live for...

He is The Word, and without His Gospel/Word, we are indeed dead any way that
you look at it...

ROMANS 5:10.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

MATT. 24:14.
And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.

MARK 1:15.
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

13:10.
And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

16:15.
And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

LUKE 4:18-19.
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

LUKE 4:43.
And He said unto them, I must preach the Kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

It's not about His need, it's about ours.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

When you actually read the New Testament, you learn Jesus Christ lived and died to give us the Gospel, called dthe Gospel of Jesus c¨hrist because there is only one! Ask paul; he teaches this.

Within the Gospel Jesus christ teaches us how to apply the law with grace, while living in His mercy and grace. Of course Jesus teaches the law by clarifying it, and how to approach it lawfully.

For the umpteenth time from the umpteenth person, it is the curse of the law that is destroyed on the cross, but this for only those who believe Jesus Christ.

Get this for this is important, you have to study what Jesus Christ teaches before pronouncing on whether or not He teaches on the subject, and obviously many here have not learned from Him.

May God bless you all, especially those who love Jesus Christ in spirit and truth and hear Him, amen.

I know you mean good but,JESUS Is the vine,you are the branch.HE supplies the nutrients to the branch and the fruit Is displayed on you.

Give GOD the credit for ALL the glory and you display the glory to your neighbor.

It's not to GOD be the glory and I helped a little bit.

This is not even the beginning of a rejoining response to my post. Please, understand before commenting.

My apologies,I have no Idea what you are talking about.

 

[JaumeJ]

My apologies,I have no Idea what you are talking about.

You have said it.

 

[blessedjohn80]

The gospel, first given to Abraham, is given to all by our Lord, Jesus Christ, in the first four books of what is called the New Testament.


As for reading the Word, I have been reading the Word since long before you were born, and I continue, for we are taught by God to study His Word.


I have posted here from knowledge of theWord on the subject of the thread and in response to some mindless allegations.


Again I say, learn from Jesus Christ His Gospel, for this is all that is necessary for Salvation, but learning from the Master means believing Him, and believing Him entails obeying Him which many here teach agains.


Spend more of your time on the subject and less of your time on prefabrications about what I have read and what I have meditated upon........God bless you.

I meant no offense in my last post to you. I agreed with you on meditating on the word and as Jesus the only real teacher. I also directed my post to encourage all Christians in reading and reading the bible.


Now, everyone, see how focusing on the law makes one full of pride? This is why Jesus fulfilled the law on our behalf so that we would be all equal before God. By focusing on the law, people will measure their worth according to their works and thus also measure everyone else's worth also.


I'll use JaumeJ statements as an example: "As for reading the Word, I have been reading the Word since long before you were born, and I continue, for we are taught by God to study His Word."


Here it would seem that he is implying to have more knowledge and credibility than I do. He's measuring my works and worth.


JaumeJ stop measuring people's worth, it's not good for you. And it really doesn't look good for someone who claims to have been reading God's word for many years. I can only imagine how much condemnation that thief who hung beside Jesus would have gotten had the bible not stated that he went to heaven with Jesus. People need to stop measuring everybody and one way to do that is to focus on Jesus and His work and His worth.


JaumeJ and to everyone, read and understand the The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard - Matthew 20:1-16. Workers who see the value in their works expect a reward of equal amount and get angry when that reward is below their expectations. They also get angry when other workers that seem to do little get paid just as much for little work. It doesn't make sense to them but the point of the parable is not about working and reward but about grace. The owner gives freely no matter who or what your standing may be because it is his. In the same way, God gives equal opportunity to all because everything is God's. Equal opportunity. No room for boasting.


Believe in a loving God through Jesus. If you want to work hard, then believe in Jesus' finished work and you will find rest in the midst of your works. See hope in other people just as God saw hope in us when we were sinners. Welcome people and not push them away.


Have a wonderful day everyone and God bless.
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