The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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2 Pet 3:9 has been abused !
Many have used the scripture in 2 Pet 3:9 as a proof text that God wants all men without exception to come to repentance. That that interpretation is pure human reasoning and speculation is seen in many ways throughout scripture, but here is one of those ways.
Its a fact, that there are some living upon the earth today Whom God is reserving to be punished : They are the unjust !
Remember, in Rev 22 it reads let the unjust be unjust still
Rev 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
2 Pet 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
The unjust, are those whom Christ blood did not Justify, hence, they are being reserved by the power of God to be punished for their sins.
Now, what sense would it make, and how much of a contradiction it would be for God to be waiting and not willing for these who He is reserving to be punished, to be waiting for and desiring their repentance. 113
Many have used the scripture in 2 Pet 3:9 as a proof text that God wants all men without exception to come to repentance. That that interpretation is pure human reasoning and speculation is seen in many ways throughout scripture, but here is one of those ways.
Its a fact, that there are some living upon the earth today Whom God is reserving to be punished : They are the unjust !
Remember, in Rev 22 it reads let the unjust be unjust still
Rev 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
2 Pet 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
The unjust, are those whom Christ blood did not Justify, hence, they are being reserved by the power of God to be punished for their sins.
Now, what sense would it make, and how much of a contradiction it would be for God to be waiting and not willing for these who He is reserving to be punished, to be waiting for and desiring their repentance. 113
Yeshua teaches if we believe Him we are saved. This is accepting everything about Him. None of this is works, it is faith in the Love that is our Maker.
There are no myths associated with the Word. The word, myth, has no place in the Word unless one is making reference to paganism and pagan beliefs. Perhaps you are attempting to provoke? Discussion allows for some provocation when it is encouraging learning from the Word.
There are no myths associated with the Word. The word, myth, has no place in the Word unless one is making reference to paganism and pagan beliefs. Perhaps you are attempting to provoke? Discussion allows for some provocation when it is encouraging learning from the Word.
Well since you wont answer but rather take a p.m. swipe at me here is my thinking.
The Scriptures say Jesus died for the world, all, all men etc. Since I am included in that 'all' I can by the authority of Scripture (hardly postmodern) stand assured that He died for me.
IF IF IF on the other hand I believed that Jesus died only for some then I would have no Scripture to stand on that He died for me. I would have to look for an experience or feeling I had to rely on...now that would be more like post modernism.
So please explain your perspective than try to label me or mine.
The Scriptures say Jesus died for the world, all, all men etc. Since I am included in that 'all' I can by the authority of Scripture (hardly postmodern) stand assured that He died for me.
IF IF IF on the other hand I believed that Jesus died only for some then I would have no Scripture to stand on that He died for me. I would have to look for an experience or feeling I had to rely on...now that would be more like post modernism.
So please explain your perspective than try to label me or mine.
M
Probably the most common fallacy in the church is the concept that man does the accepting unto salvation. Since when, as a slave to ones sin, does an unbeliever have the power to do ANYTHING good, let alone ''complete'' their salvation by ''accepting'' God as Holy. Even the demons believe in God and tremble, but it has NOTHING to do with salvation. Romans 8 makes it clear that God only calls those who HE PREDESTINED. The word ''the world'' simply means neither Jew nor Greek but all peoples. To say anything but would be to claim that God failed as an omnipotent savior. After all... whatever God wants HE makes happen.
2 Timothy 2:14-26
J
So, the bible changes now? Calvinism comes along, and zap goes all the verses about assurance?
By the way, just knowing that Jesus died for you (under the unlimited perspective) doesn't save you, so I don't know how that fits into the assurance equation...
Remember? You're supposed to accept it, because he can't force it on ya. Which means your assurance is then found in whether you genuinely made that choice, which of course leads to an endless questioning of whether you were genuine about being genuine...
Scripture tells us how to be sure of our salvation. That doesn't change. It's not like limited atonement comes along and scripture transforms before the eyes into another message about assurance.
By the way, just knowing that Jesus died for you (under the unlimited perspective) doesn't save you, so I don't know how that fits into the assurance equation...
Remember? You're supposed to accept it, because he can't force it on ya. Which means your assurance is then found in whether you genuinely made that choice, which of course leads to an endless questioning of whether you were genuine about being genuine...
Scripture tells us how to be sure of our salvation. That doesn't change. It's not like limited atonement comes along and scripture transforms before the eyes into another message about assurance.
So who did Jesus say he came for
Matt 15.24
I was sent only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Jesus only sent others to the people of Israel
Matt 10.6
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel
John 20.21
As the father has sent me l am sending you
Luke 19.9
Today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a son of Abraham..For the fatherSon of Man came to seek and save the lost
Yes Jesus came to seek and save the lost but he qualified which lost.The lost of Israel only..
The word all is the same..lt means all Israel.The only people Jesus has a covenant with
Matt 15.24
I was sent only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Jesus only sent others to the people of Israel
Matt 10.6
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel
John 20.21
As the father has sent me l am sending you
Luke 19.9
Today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a son of Abraham..For the fatherSon of Man came to seek and save the lost
Yes Jesus came to seek and save the lost but he qualified which lost.The lost of Israel only..
The word all is the same..lt means all Israel.The only people Jesus has a covenant with
Salvation is a gift that must be received. People either accept or reject. The Father provides a way for each person to come to hte Lord and acept His Sacrifice for sin. Otherwise, keep in mind the teaching from the Word, many pagans have the truth inscribed on their hearts with their own consciouses accusing or excusing them as they act. The latter has always been a very pleasant admonishment not to judge unto damnation., I do not, and I hope my understanding is correct. I know it is in love. There is no excuse for anyone to reject Yeshua. This lesson may take some more time than it does for others.