Theory of Final Authority

[Makahiya2028]

The central critical issue in academic theology is final authority.
The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final authority
and final canonization. The dynamic Purified Text Theory
supports the Record Theory, demonstrated categorically and conclusively
in the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, bible doctrine,
billions of bibles and computational linguistics.

That's what I do, but I can't do that online .

Thanks for Reading my Thread !

 

[posthuman]

Do you believe Jesus Christ showed himself alive after the resurrection

with infallible proofs or with convincing proofs ?


KJV Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion
by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days,
and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

KJV Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish
ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

KJV 2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.


NIV Acts1:3 After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs
that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.

WNT Acts 1:3 He had also, after He suffered, shown Himself alive to them with many sure proofs,
appearing to them at intervals during forty days, and speaking of the Kingdom of God.

ASV Acts 1:3 To whom he also showed himself alive after his passion by many proofs,
appearing unto them by the space of forty days,and speaking the things concerning the kingdom of God:

NCV Acts 1:3 After his death, he showed himself to them and proved in many ways that he was alive.
he apostles saw Jesus during the forty days after he was raised from the dead,
and he spoke to them about the kingdom of God.

MSG Acts1:3 After his death, he presented himself alive to them in many different settings
over a period of forty days. In face-to-face meetings, he talked to them about things concerning the kingdom of God.

guess what?

neither "infallible" nor "convincing" is in the Greek text of Acts 1:3 at all.
it is simply "τεκμηρίοις" which means proofs.

i've got a lot of education in math, believe it or don't. ()
to me, "proof" is "proof" - there is no such thing as "unconvincing proof" or "fallible proof" -- if it is not convincing, it is not proof. if it is not infallible, it is not τεκμηρίοις. apparently to the Spirit of God that inspired Luke to write Acts, it is the same. no reason for a "verily, verily" here - it is quite simply put, verily.
truth is truth.
τεκμηρίοις is τεκμηρίοις,
and "infallible" or "convincing" is an addition to the text, KJV or NIV or whatever; it is superfluous language.

totally agree with you about what a wreck the MSG version is, though (off topic).

just thought it would be cool to point out that even the KJV is not totally faithful to the closest thing we can say we have to original manuscripts. 99.95% is still less than 100%, yes? and to point it out where it is clear that discrepancy in the slightest amount can indeed be considered negligible.

** hears the sound of something crumbling **

 

[secularhermit]

Here it is the final seal:

 

[Makahiya2028]

You cannot accurately or honestly say " in the N.T. Greek Text " .

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts

which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

 

[posthuman]

Thanks for Reading my Thread !

thank you! you gave me a lot to think about, that i am still turning over in my head.

honestly, the two bibles that i read the most are both AKJV.

i hope i haven't given offense talking about the exclusivity of the KJV bible; around here you'll catch plenty of criticism over that without me stepping in to talk. so i'll just leave that alone now, and apologize if i've been crass.
like a lot of people, sometimes i post or speak without giving full thought to what i write or say.

 

[Makahiya2028]

thank you! you gave me a lot to think about, that i am still turning over in my head.

honestly, the two bibles that i read the most are both AKJV.

i hope i haven't given offense talking about the exclusivity of the KJV bible; around here you'll catch plenty of criticism over that without me stepping in to talk. so i'll just leave that alone now, and apologize if i've been crass.
like a lot of people, sometimes i post or speak without giving full thought to what i write or say.

wow, thank you, it's people like you who inspire me to be all I can be !

 

[Vernon]

Really, only begotten son, what book did you learn that from ?

Maybe you learned that directly from God, right ?

I learned that by revelation from the Holy Spirit, So yes , directly from God.

 

[Makahiya2028]

I learned that by revelation from the Holy Spirit, So yes , directly from God.

wow, that awesome, you don't even need a Holy Bible !

 

[Vernon]

wow, that awesome, you don't even need a Holy Bible !

that is correct, I do not need a bible to be saved, what everyone needs is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth. I do not need my own interpretation or your interpretation or the interpretation of the magisterium of the Church. I have the Holy Spirit abiding with my soul and we have become one. God leads us into all truth, not a book compiled by mankind.

 

[Makahiya2028]

You're right, you don't need to own a bible to get saved,
but you do need to read the Holy Bible to be all you can be .

KJV Revelation 1:1-31 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,
and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[Vernon]

A good example, without the Holy Spirit you have no hope in comprehending the apocalypso

 

[Makahiya2028]

I'm not going to respond to your post

if you don't respond back to mine .

 

[weakness]

We must start at a point of agreement .

Do you have scripture given by inspiration of God ?

​ I was just looking and it seems every use of the word " scripture" is referring to the old testament. Epistles are trans. letters or writing. Then there is the NT where we are living epistles with the gospel message written on our hearts to be known and read of all men, and we become a law unto ourselves , of course through the Holy Spirit, Paul says he comes not in the word of scripture only , but in the power and demonstration of the Scriptures and gospel. seems like the scripture is not much unless demonstrated by the Spirit of God through us.Even if we have the epistles and scriptures they do no good unless unlocked and revealed to us by the H.S. Remember when Jesus reveals the scriptures to the disciples after a whole life time of them hearing them? And how they all spoke of Jesus? Another thing , It says that two or three witnesses are needed to bring an accusation. Jesus said his works bear witness and his father bears witness of him, and the scriptures bear witness of him. I think that the bible and some other witness is needful for me to acknowledge it's truth. The Spirit bares witness with our spirit that we are his children. I read the bible a lot, and like you say about all the conflicting translations, We need the Holy Spirit to know the truth, My sheep here my voice.Thats another thing , God's Voice! Alive, not in tables of stone,we are God's children through Jesus and should have the witness in our selves, and Have the HS in the church to witness to us too,(unfortunately not enough). So I think just the bibles of our time are not enough for me in all cases. It is the Spirit that gives life.

 

[Jeff_56]

the spirit gives life, abundantly! yes! in by and through yahshua hamashiach in ABBA'S GRACE by faith in HIM.

and those who are truly born of the spirit are like the wind --- but few ever live this way it is so rare, and costs everything they ever had or hoped to have, and the vast majority of people want to keep something(s) and won't give them up even to receive the savior king messiah and eternal life- they don't trust him enough. they just don't have faith in him to believe his WORD.

scholars especially -- well, just read what yahshua the king said about scholars.... that is sufficient to see.

 

[Angela53510]

The central critical issue in academic theology is final authority.
The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final authority
and final canonization. The dynamic Purified Text Theory
supports the Record Theory, demonstrated categorically and conclusively
in the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, bible doctrine,
billions of bibles and computational linguistics.

That's what I do, but I can't do that online .

Thanks for Reading my Thread !

I'm not sure where you get the idea that that in academic theology the final question is "authority."

In fact, God is the final authority on all things theological. (As in the study of God!) Jesus Christ says that all authority has been given to him.

"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Matt 28:18

Reading this thread, I have seen precious little Scripture, and a lot of tactics of trying to corner people into believing an archaic translation of the Bible is the ONLY version. That you cannot learn the truth of salvation in Jesus through any Bible.

I also read the OP making claims as to his education, but I am not reading the words of a academic, or even one with as much as Master's degree. I make that statement, as one with an MDiv, and who grew up in the home of someone with a Ph.D.

You can pretend all you want, you can try and force people to believe a lie, but in the end, God will judge you, Makahiya2008.

I'm sorry you are in this deluded KJV Only cult. I have studied extensively textual criticism and what I find is that the later Byzantine texts are riddled with errors and copyists mistakes. And a LOT of additions, written by well meaning scribes, but replete with erroneous margin inscriptions which were sometimes incorporated into the later texts.

Better to rely on the earliest versions, which had little time to augment the copyists and transmission errors, and were much closer in all likelihood to the original autographs, at least for the New Testament. As for the Old Testament, which is the right source - the Masoretic version or the Septuagint? It seems like Jesus and the apostles thought both, because they quoted from both.

As for this being YOUR thread, OP, once it is published, it becomes everyone's thread. You are trying to control this thread, and because it is not your paid for forum or website, we can engage in any way we see fit. We can debate, argue or post silly pictures, and it is all fair!

I find it exceedingly pretentious that the OP joins a few days ago and proceeds to tell everyone how to run this forum and what to believe. You are not the boss, not of this forum, this thread, and certainly you have not got the corner on the truth.

I'm really not impressed by a blow hard who is trying his best to win converts to his cause in a dishonest and unChristian manner. Seriously, you do know that Jesus wants us to be honest, and not deceitful, right?

 

[Makahiya2028]

​ I was just looking and it seems every use of the word " scripture" is referring to the old testament. Epistles are trans. letters or writing. Then there is the NT where we are living epistles with the gospel message written on our hearts to be known and read of all men, and we become a law unto ourselves , of course through the Holy Spirit, Paul says he comes not in the word of scripture only , but in the power and demonstration of the Scriptures and gospel. seems like the scripture is not much unless demonstrated by the Spirit of God through us.Even if we have the epistles and scriptures they do no good unless unlocked and revealed to us by the H.S. Remember when Jesus reveals the scriptures to the disciples after a whole life time of them hearing them? And how they all spoke of Jesus? Another thing , It says that two or three witnesses are needed to bring an accusation. Jesus said his works bear witness and his father bears witness of him, and the scriptures bear witness of him. I think that the bible and some other witness is needful for me to acknowledge it's truth. The Spirit bares witness with our spirit that we are his children. I read the bible a lot, and like you say about all the conflicting translations, We need the Holy Spirit to know the truth, My sheep here my voice.Thats another thing , God's Voice! Alive, not in tables of stone,we are God's children through Jesus and should have the witness in our selves, and Have the HS in the church to witness to us too,(unfortunately not enough). So I think just the bibles of our time are not enough for me in all cases. It is the Spirit that gives life.

Close, kinda, the statement is all scripture is given by inspiration of God .

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is in the New Testament .

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is in the New Testament .

KJV Revelation 1:1-3
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,
and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[Makahiya2028]

I'm not sure where you get the idea that that in academic theology the final question is "authority."

In fact, God is the final authority on all things theological. (As in the study of God!) Jesus Christ says that all authority has been given to him.

That's amazing, you don't need the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ,

because you study God. I see why you don't need a Holy Bible !

 

[Angela53510]

That's amazing, you don't need the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ,

you study God, I see why you don't need a Holy Bible !

I don't recall saying I don't need the Bible. In fact, I used it more in my post than you have in this thread.

As a newbie here, you don't know me, but if you care to check out my posts, you will find out how highly I esteem the Bible.

Sadly, you did not respond to any of my criticisms of this farce you call "your" thread.

I guess I am out of here, too! Seems to be the default position these days. With trolls and cultists!

 

[Makahiya2028]

ok, think about it, good bye

 

[weakness]

Close, kinda, the statement is all scripture is given by inspiration of God .

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is in the New Testament .

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is in the New Testament .

KJV Revelation 1:1-3
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,
and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

sI was just saying that the word "scripture" in the NT is almost or always referring to the writings of the old testament, not that the Gospel is not spoken of in the NT. Or that the sayings of the NT are not scripture.