We are not under the law

[p_rehbein]

Hmmm, normally we agree on things, but I have to differ on this one......

QUOTE:

They did? Please show any verse where Jesus instructs Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, just one, would be sufficient. Or show any verse where the Apostles instructs Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, just one would suffice. Do you know how i know you can't show one verse, Because Jesus nor any Apostle ever taught us Christians to do that, it is ONLY the last days generation that try to teach things that Jesus or His Apostles never taught.

END QUOTE:
Jesus not only spoke of the 10 Commandments, He expanded on them. He elevated the disobedience of the 10 Commandments from a physical sin to a Spiritual sin. Thus ensuring that they would transfer into the New Covenant Grace.

Matthew 5:19 .) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 .) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 .) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 .) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 .) Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 .) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 .) Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 .) Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 .) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 .) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Now, folks can believe as they wish...........these are my thoughts only

 

[p_rehbein]

PAUL'S TEACHING ON ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS..........

(excerpt from article)

Many believe that the Apostle Paul did away with the Ten Commandments, but is that what the Bible teaches? What did the Apostle Paul actually teach about them?
What Paul actually taught about the ten commandments are shown here in green
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Commandment 1: Paul said, “God, who made the world and everything in it…they should seek the Lord” (Acts 17:24,27). Paul also said, “I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law” (Acts 24:14). “But then indeed, when you did not know God, you served those things which by nature are not God” (Galatians 4:8). “And what agreement has the temple of God have with idols?” (II Corinthians 6:16). “you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God” (I Thessalonians 1:9). “Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

His teaching on the other 9 Commandments found here:


[h=3]What Did the Apostle Paul Teach About the Ten Commandments?[/h]
Hope this helps...........

 

[royalscot]

Gentiles have been saved and adopted as children of Israel since the days of Moses.

Deuteronomy 10:18New International Version (NIV)[SUP]18 [/SUP]He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.

Leviticus 19:33-34New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. [SUP]34 [/SUP]The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.


Jeremiah 12:16New International Version (NIV)[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if they learn well the ways of my people and swear by my name, saying, ‘As surely as the Lord lives’—even as they once taught my people to swear by Baal—then they will be established among my people.

Exodus 12:48-49New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]“A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. [SUP]49 [/SUP]The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

problem is this, when did god need angels to tell people of his plan, so now death is conquered the question now is did jesus save all that believe.

so change never came through what has been spoken, but watching history reveal what god has spoken from an earlier date. ie new covenant.

 

[royalscot]

Hmmm, normally we agree on things, but I have to differ on this one......

QUOTE:

They did? Please show any verse where Jesus instructs Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, just one, would be sufficient. Or show any verse where the Apostles instructs Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, just one would suffice. Do you know how i know you can't show one verse, Because Jesus nor any Apostle ever taught us Christians to do that, it is ONLY the last days generation that try to teach things that Jesus or His Apostles never taught.

END QUOTE:
Jesus not only spoke of the 10 Commandments, He expanded on them. He elevated the disobedience of the 10 Commandments from a physical sin to a Spiritual sin. Thus ensuring that they would transfer into the New Covenant Grace.

Matthew 5:19 .) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 .) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 .) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 .) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 .) Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 .) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 .) Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 .) Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 .) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 .) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Now, folks can believe as they wish...........these are my thoughts only

time line, facts are proven by when they were revealed not when and how you came to believe.
test all scripture, so must be a time line to change. so how did this change beat 70 ad.

 

[RyBread]

problem is this, when did god need angels to tell people of his plan, so now death is conquered the question now is did jesus save all that believe.

so change never came through what has been spoken, but watching history reveal what god has spoken from an earlier date. ie new covenant.

You said nothing relevant to anything that I said.

 

[p_rehbein]

time line, facts are proven by when they were revealed not when and how you came to believe.
test all scripture, so must be a time line to change. so how did this change beat 70 ad.

Again, this makes no sense with regards to my posts...........only way your comments make sense is if you believe that the Gospel of Christ IS NOT for the Church today........is that your belief?

Not interested in proving facts........His Word is Truth......Jesus said this Himself in John, Chapter 17.

 

[RyBread]

time line, facts are proven by when they were revealed not when and how you came to believe.
test all scripture, so must be a time line to change. so how did this change beat 70 ad.

So you might as well rip out the entire Bible except for after the death of Christ? That wouldn't make much sense now would it? Why would Christ spend his whole entire life on earth teaching commandments and expanding on the commandments only to destroy them? Do you think he would do anything in vain? That's blasphemy.
The Ceremonial Laws are what Jesus fulfilled at His death and resurrection. God's Law is not fulfilled until the 2nd coming when there will be no more sin. Jesus even says so!
Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Have heaven and earth passed? No they haven't. Is ALL fulfilled? No it's not. That doesn't happen until Revelations 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Take heed, for Jesus warns us, "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

 

[p_rehbein]

Yeah, I'm still waiting on that New and Improved Up to Date Holy Bible for the Church Today Edition..........on the other hand, it should be a short read according to some here.

 

[RyBread]

If you love God and your neighbor you will obey all of the 10 commandments as obeying them all is a direct reflection of love for God and love for one another.

 

[RyBread]

You cannot say you love God and your neighbor and continue to worship other gods, abolish the Sabbath, make idols, take His name in vain, dishonor your parents, lie, steal, murder, commit adultery and covet.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I don't think the question here is about whether keeping the law is necessary for salvation, but whether Christians are still "under the law". Over several chapters in Romans, the apostle Paul made it abundantly clear that Christians don't lose their salvation through sin, but still ought to "follow the law". Along these lines, I would disagree that "it is a heart thing", unless "heart" is a synonym for "belief" (because how you feel about sin doesn't have anything to do with salvation, either).

Secondly, you seem to believe that "sin" can be defined as acting against love. You would definitely have to cherry-pick to make this argument, because it's quite easy to find many things declared as sinful that have nothing to do with a lack of love. Remember that loving money is the "root of all evil" -- such evil certainly isn't from a lack of love. Nor does a sin such as drunkenness have anything to do with love.

When Jesus said "A New Commandment i give unto you, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER....." All other commandments became OLD. Jesus Himself specifically told us Christians what He wanted us Christians to do, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. When a person fails to do that which Jesus Christ commanded them to do, they indeed commit sin under the new covenant which all Christians today are under. We are to do all that Jesus and His Apostles teach us to do. If they tell us to do something and we fail to do that something that is sin. Sin under the new covenant has nothing to do with the law, nothing to do with commandments, laws, statutes, and the such, it has everything to do with the Teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

^i^ Responding to post# 40

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hmmm, normally we agree on things, but I have to differ on this one......

QUOTE:

They did? Please show any verse where Jesus instructs Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, just one, would be sufficient. Or show any verse where the Apostles instructs Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, just one would suffice. Do you know how i know you can't show one verse, Because Jesus nor any Apostle ever taught us Christians to do that, it is ONLY the last days generation that try to teach things that Jesus or His Apostles never taught.

END QUOTE:
Jesus not only spoke of the 10 Commandments, He expanded on them. He elevated the disobedience of the 10 Commandments from a physical sin to a Spiritual sin. Thus ensuring that they would transfer into the New Covenant Grace.

Matthew 5:19 .) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 .) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 .) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 .) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 .) Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 .) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 .) Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 .) Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 .) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 .) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Now, folks can believe as they wish...........these are my thoughts only

You have not yet shown any verse where CHRISTIANS are instructed to keep the 10 Commandments. Sure Jesus expanded on them to all those who were still under the old covenant. Jesus Himself was under the old covenant, Jesus Himself lived by the old covenant, Jesus taught the old covenant to those who were still under the old covenant. But what i am asking is to show any verse where Jesus or any of the Apostle instructs, teaches Christians under the new covenant to continue to keep the 10 commandments, none of the verses you mention above does that.
True there are many who still try to live under the law, and it is written of those that do such that they shall be judged by the law. And it is written if people choose to be bound to the law, then if they break one of the lease of them, they are guilty of all. All these things are True, but are not instructions to Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments.
Another thing, that none of those verses mention is the 10 commandments themselves, which is what i was asking, show any verse where Jesus or any Apostle instructs us Christians to continue to keep the 10 COMMANDMENTS, none of those verses you mention do that either. Sure there are new testament verses that teach us Christians to do something that was also mentioned in the 10 commandments, but that is not what i asked.
People today teach you must keep the 10 commandments, i am asking for anyone to show the verse where Jesus or any Apostle instructed us Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments. It is found NOWHERE in Scriptures.

^i^ Responding to post# 41

 

[Starcrash]

When Jesus said "A New Commandment i give unto you, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER....." All other commandments became OLD. Jesus Himself specifically told us Christians what He wanted us Christians to do, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. When a person fails to do that which Jesus Christ commanded them to do, they indeed commit sin under the new covenant which all Christians today are under. We are to do all that Jesus and His Apostles teach us to do. If they tell us to do something and we fail to do that something that is sin. Sin under the new covenant has nothing to do with the law, nothing to do with commandments, laws, statutes, and the such, it has everything to do with the Teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

^i^ Responding to post# 40

You make several self-contradictory claims. "Sin under the new covenent has nothing to do with the law", yet "has everything to do with the Teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles". Did Jesus not teach the law? You claim that "all other commandments became OLD", and yet that would include commandments given by Jesus before that one. If that was the only important rule, why did he waste his breath on other teachings?

The bible didn't have an "Old Testament" and "New Testament" in Jesus' day... it was all just "scripture". And Jesus said not to do away with any of it. So why are you trying to "abolish the law"?

 

[RyBread]

When Jesus said "A New Commandment i give unto you, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER....." All other commandments became OLD. Jesus Himself specifically told us Christians what He wanted us Christians to do, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. When a person fails to do that which Jesus Christ commanded them to do, they indeed commit sin under the new covenant which all Christians today are under. We are to do all that Jesus and His Apostles teach us to do. If they tell us to do something and we fail to do that something that is sin. Sin under the new covenant has nothing to do with the law, nothing to do with commandments, laws, statutes, and the such, it has everything to do with the Teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

^i^ Responding to post# 40

Scroll up.. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

 

[DiscipleDave]

If you love God and your neighbor you will obey all of the 10 commandments as obeying them all is a direct reflection of love for God and love for one another.

This is True. If people were to just live by the commandment Jesus gave us Christians to follow and to obey, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, then in doing that one commandment you fulfill the whole law. People in this generation are so hung up on the 10 commandments, obey them, don't obey them, read them daily, don't read them daily, they fail altogether to understand the Truth has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, but everything to do with LOVING ONE ANOTHER.

^i^ Responding to post# 49

 

[RyBread]

This is True. If people were to just live by the commandment Jesus gave us Christians to follow and to obey, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, then in doing that one commandment you fulfill the whole law. People in this generation are so hung up on the 10 commandments, obey them, don't obey them, read them daily, don't read them daily, they fail altogether to understand the Truth has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, but everything to do with LOVING ONE ANOTHER.
^i^ Responding to post# 49

Once again you contradict yourself. Are you being stubborn or are you just not understanding? The Ten Commandments are the heart of the New Covenant just as they were the Old Covenant.

And please let's hear how you feel about Matthew 5:18-19

 

[RyBread]

Most modern day Christians will agree that the 10 commandments are good and we should obey them... But as soon as you mention the Sabbath they say, "now wait a minute! The commandments were nailed to the cross!"

 

[Grandpa]

Once again you contradict yourself. Are you being stubborn or are you just not understanding? The Ten Commandments are the heart of the New Covenant just as they were the Old Covenant.

And please let's hear how you feel about Matthew 5:18-19

The Lord Jesus is the heart of the New Covenant.

 

[RyBread]

The Lord Jesus is the heart of the New Covenant.

That is right. Foundation is a better word for what I meant.

 

[breno785au]

Going by the comments in here most of you have broken at least one commandment..*laughs*