What about the Roman Catholic religion and her daughters?

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Can we just jump off the bandwagon of comparative statistics? Catholics killed the most, Protestants second, and Orthodox third. There shouldn't be any killing in the name of Christ by any Christian. I am sorry the Russian Orthodox Church in the 17th century burned at the stake the Old Believers, and that some of the Old Believers burned themselves to death and committed suicide because they believed Tsar Peter ("the Great"?) was the Antichrist, and the end of the world was at hand.
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the leader of the catholics orderd to kill,
the leader of the protestant orderd to kill
the leader of the the orthodox orderd to kill
the leader of the Christians orderd to love your neighbour.

I am a christian, and there can only be one christianity, the one that follows the Gospel, the rest is bogus and wolfs in sheepscloaths




“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’[d] because you have only one teacher, and all of you are brothers.
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we have to search for the truth, and the truth shall set you free, and when we found it we have to spread it out for our children and brothers and sisters , this is not at all HATE.
 
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There is a warning in the Bible, yet so many do not realize it applies to them.
 
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loveme1 said:
The Bible?
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Not really. If you study the bible and compare it with what the Catholic church teaches you'll become Catholic. So it has to come from someplace else.

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eternally-gratefull

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dscherck said:
Not really. If you study the bible and compare it with what the Catholic church teaches you'll become Catholic. So it has to come from someplace else.

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No, if you study the bible. you would not become catholic. You would have to study the man made traditions and writings of the Roman Church to become catholic.
 
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truthfull said:
the leader of the catholics orderd to kill,
the leader of the protestant orderd to kill
the leader of the the orthodox orderd to kill
the leader of the Christians orderd to love your neighbour.

I am a christian, and there can only be one christianity, the one that follows the Gospel, the rest is bogus and wolfs in sheepscloaths




“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’[d] because you have only one teacher, and all of you are brothers.
matt 23.8
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Well said. If only people could see this! Religion is from man, A relationship with God comes From God.
 
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It makes me very sad to see all the hatred for the Catholic church. It can only come from one place.
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God hates all false gospels. As should his people. But God loves all people, as we should, no matter what Church they are affiliated with.

Just because someones belief happens to appose someone else does not mean they hate the people their faith apposes. It means they believe differently. The roman church is the only church (weel maybe eastern orthodoxy) I know of who teach their people that if anyone apposes you, they hate you. The very term "Protestant" is a hateful term given by the church to anyone who does not agree with them. This in and of itself is not from God. but from men!

People should look at their own hearts before they judge others!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, if you study the bible. you would not become catholic. You would have to study the man made traditions and writings of the Roman Church to become catholic.
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No, you definitely would become Catholic. That is what happened to me. The Catholic Church is quite simply the most Scriptural, Biblically sound, and most Christ centered church I've ever been privileged to attend. That isn't to say that the Protestant churches I attended weren't devoted to Jesus, they just pale in comparison to the devotion to Christ Our God given by the Catholic Church.

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eternally-gratefull said:
Well said. If only people could see this! Religion is from man, A relationship with God comes From God.
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Right... Because nowhere in Scripture did Our Lord say that He wasn't going to do away with the Law (ie religion), but rather fulfill it. Nowhere did He command us to perform certain religious rituals like baptism, or celebrating communion. And He most certainly didn't appoint men to be leaders of His Church and give them authority to forgive sins in His name.... Oh wait!

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eternally-gratefull said:
No, if you study the bible. you would not become catholic. You would have to study the man made traditions and writings of the Roman Church to become catholic.
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Not true, I know plenty of people that decided to study the Bible without preconceived notions of "Sola Scriptura" and "Sola Fide" that have came to the conclusion that the Catholic Church is right. I've studied the Bible plenty and I feel no inkling to become a Protestant.

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Nah, more like leftover hatred from the Reformation period. The Catholic Church has long given up that hatred; I wonder why Protestants can't do the same.
 
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Not true, I know plenty of people that decided to study the Bible without preconceived notions of "Sola Scriptura" and "Sola Fide" that have came to the conclusion that the Catholic Church is right. I've studied the Bible plenty and I feel no inkling to become a Protestant.
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Yet the very what you call protestant revolution occurred because the first time in the history of the roman church people were free to study scripture on their own. Just because some study and see catholicism does not mean all will. many do not.

Nah, more like leftover hatred from the Reformation period. The Catholic Church has long given up that hatred; I wonder why Protestants can't do the same.
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Thats funny. I do not hate anyone, nor do I protest any church, yet you still call me a protestant. So who is still doing the hating?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yet the very what you call protestant revolution occurred because the first time in the history of the roman church people were free to study scripture on their own. Just because some study and see catholicism does not mean all will. many do not.
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Nonsense, they have always been free to study Scripture on their own if they wanted. It's not like we don't have about 14 CENTURIES of writings where people debate and talk about Scripture prior to the Reformation.... OH WAIT! WE DO!!

Thats funny. I do not hate anyone, nor do I protest any church, yet you still call me a protestant. So who is still doing the hating?
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Nowadays it's just a common term meant to help identify those Christians who belong to church communities who are not in communion with the Catholic or Orthodox churches.
 
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No, you definitely would become Catholic. That is what happened to me. The Catholic Church is quite simply the most Scriptural, Biblically sound, and most Christ centered church I've ever been privileged to attend. That isn't to say that the Protestant churches I attended weren't devoted to Jesus, they just pale in comparison to the devotion to Christ Our God given by the Catholic Church.

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well thanks for your opinion. But I as well as many thousands like me do not see it your way. thus to say if we study the word we will see Catholicism is a false precept. if it was true, everyone would see it that way
 
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Right... Because nowhere in Scripture did Our Lord say that He wasn't going to do away with the Law (ie religion), but rather fulfill it. Nowhere did He command us to perform certain religious rituals like baptism, or celebrating communion. And He most certainly didn't appoint men to be leaders of His Church and give them authority to forgive sins in His name.... Oh wait!

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1. Correct. he did not do away with the law, he fulfilled it. Thus we can not longer be judged by it anymore.
2. Yes, he did command people be baptised and take communion. He never stated anyone would be saved by it, nor that it would help in their salvation.
3. No. God did not promise that men would have infallibility in interpreting anything. or that men would not distort truth, even if they were in the church. We have examples of men in the church, who had leadership in the church doing this very thing all throughout the new testament.

So wait on what?? and Gods grace to become works and people earn the right to be saved not by faith, but because they worked for it? That would make us no different than the jews who crucified Christ because they thought their holy tradition and works saved them also.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
well thanks for your opinion. But I as well as many thousands like me do not see it your way. thus to say if we study the word we will see Catholicism is a false precept. if it was true, everyone would see it that way
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Not necessarily. Many people are hindered by scandals, or who have their own preconceptions.

But that said, while there are thousands who don't see the Catholic Church in the Scripture, there are millions who do. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
1. Correct. he did not do away with the law, he fulfilled it. Thus we can not longer be judged by it anymore.
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I'll concede that we're not judged under that law, but that doesn't equate to Him getting rid of religion.
2. Yes, he did command people be baptised and take communion. He never stated anyone would be saved by it, nor that it would help in their salvation.
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Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).

Sounds to me that Our Lord is telling us that we need to partake of baptism and communion to find salvation.

3. No. God did not promise that men would have infallibility in interpreting anything. or that men would not distort truth, even if they were in the church. We have examples of men in the church, who had leadership in the church doing this very thing all throughout the new testament.
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"He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16)
"Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matt. 18:18).
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." (John 16:13)

Hrmm, so we have Our Lord telling these men He appointed to lead His Church that they have authority to speak in His name, and to bind and loose. And He promises that the Holy Spirit will guide them into all the truth. Sure seems to me that He's promising that His Church will be protected and guided to all truth... Which is of course the definition of infallibility.



So wait on what?? and Gods grace to become works and people earn the right to be saved not by faith, but because they worked for it? That would make us no different than the jews who crucified Christ because they thought their holy tradition and works saved them also.
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One cannot find salvation through works alone. But the Apostle James tells us that we are not saved by faith alone either.
 
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dscherck said:
Not necessarily. Many people are hindered by scandals, or who have their own preconceptions.
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Yet this happens in your own church. Preconceptions that your church was the first, and the only right church, and only your church can infallibly interpret the word.

Can't you see the very arguments you use can be used against you also. making them invalid arguments?

But that said, while there are thousands who don't see the Catholic Church in the Scripture, there are millions who do. :)
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What are millions? are they not thousands??

Even if more people believed in the roman church. Did God say many would be saved? or did he say the few would be saved by entering the narrow Gate?

The followers of Christ were few. Not the many. The many rejected him. and chose religion above the gospel. So again, your arguments are invalid.
 
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dscherck said:
Not really. If you study the bible and compare it with what the Catholic church teaches you'll become Catholic. So it has to come from someplace else.

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I don't think so.

The Bible opened my eyes, not close them.
 
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