What laws are still in affect?
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God gave glowing endorsement of everything that lives and moves (Ge 9:3),
as does the NT (Mt 15:10: Mk 7:19; Ro 14:4, 20; Heb 9:10; 1Co 8:7-8, 10:25-29; 1Ti 4:3-5).
If these foods were healthy food in Ge 9:3, what made them unhealthy in Lev 11, and then healthy again in Mt 15:10; Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20; 1Tim 4:3-5, etc.?
They were never unhealthy. . ."unclean" food was not about health,
"unclean" was about a figure/pattern of sin, as spiritual uncleanness
which requires cleansing, for fellowship with God.
If they were about health, how would cleansing remedy their health?
The defilement was "ceremonial," i.e., not about morality or health.
The defilements and cleansings were for a figure of sin and its remedy, not for actual
physical or moral uncleanness.
We see this fact in the NT where true defilement is shown to be a matter of the heart (Mt 7:20-23; 1Tit 1:15; Lk 11:41) not of ordinances regarding food (Mt 15:10; Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20; Heb 9:10; 1Co 8:7-8, 10:25-29; 1Tim 4:3-5), houses, clothing, sexual intercourse, childbirth, etc.
The temporary regulations of the temporary old covenant (Heb 8:13) administered by the temporary Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) are replaced in the NT with the eternal priesthood (Heb 7:17, 21) and new covenant (Lk 22:20) of Christ Jesus.
The new covenant (2Co 3:6; Heb 8:6, 9:15) people of God in the time of reformation/new order (Heb 9:10), which is the NT, are are no longer under old covenant regulations.
as does the NT (Mt 15:10: Mk 7:19; Ro 14:4, 20; Heb 9:10; 1Co 8:7-8, 10:25-29; 1Ti 4:3-5).
If these foods were healthy food in Ge 9:3, what made them unhealthy in Lev 11, and then healthy again in Mt 15:10; Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20; 1Tim 4:3-5, etc.?
They were never unhealthy. . ."unclean" food was not about health,
"unclean" was about a figure/pattern of sin, as spiritual uncleanness
which requires cleansing, for fellowship with God.
If they were about health, how would cleansing remedy their health?
The defilement was "ceremonial," i.e., not about morality or health.
The defilements and cleansings were for a figure of sin and its remedy, not for actual
physical or moral uncleanness.
We see this fact in the NT where true defilement is shown to be a matter of the heart (Mt 7:20-23; 1Tit 1:15; Lk 11:41) not of ordinances regarding food (Mt 15:10; Mk 7:19; Ro 14:14, 20; Heb 9:10; 1Co 8:7-8, 10:25-29; 1Tim 4:3-5), houses, clothing, sexual intercourse, childbirth, etc.
The temporary regulations of the temporary old covenant (Heb 8:13) administered by the temporary Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) are replaced in the NT with the eternal priesthood (Heb 7:17, 21) and new covenant (Lk 22:20) of Christ Jesus.
The new covenant (2Co 3:6; Heb 8:6, 9:15) people of God in the time of reformation/new order (Heb 9:10), which is the NT, are are no longer under old covenant regulations.
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So, you are equating the Laws that God gave to this?
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Are you really that unable to rightly divide the word of truth or was that misquoted knowingly?
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Are you really that unable to rightly divide the word of truth or was that misquoted knowingly?
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Matthew 22:37-40 "37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great andforemost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Not sure what you're getting at here.
Not sure what you're getting at here.
He never did.
If those who can't tell simple things of this earth, how can they tell spiritual things at all?
like what Jesus says about the weather..... or something .....
(yes, in the eww ess aye >>> see the true account in "God's Key to Health and Happiness" by pastor josephson,
if you really truly are seeking for the truth. if not, don't bother. )
or talk to an honest veterinarian. or to someone who has risen from the dead.... see why the Jews never never never
ever considered pork to be food. ever.
everything God said is true. not just part of it.
If those who can't tell simple things of this earth, how can they tell spiritual things at all?
like what Jesus says about the weather..... or something .....
(yes, in the eww ess aye >>> see the true account in "God's Key to Health and Happiness" by pastor josephson,
if you really truly are seeking for the truth. if not, don't bother. )
or talk to an honest veterinarian. or to someone who has risen from the dead.... see why the Jews never never never
ever considered pork to be food. ever.
everything God said is true. not just part of it.
Jesus answered all the questions, but in Matthew 22:37-40 is not one word to support you Elin.
as for the so-called unanswered questions,
if you can't understand physical things, there's no chance you're ready for spiritual things yet.....
i hope those things are tangent to your faith in christ jesus, yahshua hamaschiach - but i don't know.
yahweh knows. put all your faith and trust and hope and life in yahshua, and all will be well.
as for the so-called unanswered questions,
if you can't understand physical things, there's no chance you're ready for spiritual things yet.....
i hope those things are tangent to your faith in christ jesus, yahshua hamaschiach - but i don't know.
yahweh knows. put all your faith and trust and hope and life in yahshua, and all will be well.
yes, i totally hope so likewise that that is true.
once i went for years into the study of witchcraft/sorcery without knowing that it was not just evil but was directly
exposed and revealed and forbidden in Torah..... my heart was fully after yahweh, like king david's heart was , according to
yahweh's word, but NO ONE, not ONE PERSON, not ANYBODY, in any chruch anywhere , (and i was in dozens over as many years, invited and in 'good standing' and in fellowship with them all - not any of them opposed to the others)
NOT ONE, NOBODY, exposed or revealed or spoke yahweh's word about witchcraft and sorcery.... !!!!!! not one !!!!!
........... for a few decades, as many as I saw, THEY ALL TOOK PART IN THE SORCERY !!!!! DECEPTION !!!!! (and most still do...) what's the lowly scrub-brush to do when the "mighty oaks" are burning ?!?!
FINALLY>>>> for her we pray and hope and trust yahweh, yahweh grants mercy and deliverance and truth from all of the curses and deceptions still present in most churches, Jews and gentiles, and in all peoples everywhere......
once i went for years into the study of witchcraft/sorcery without knowing that it was not just evil but was directly
exposed and revealed and forbidden in Torah..... my heart was fully after yahweh, like king david's heart was , according to
yahweh's word, but NO ONE, not ONE PERSON, not ANYBODY, in any chruch anywhere , (and i was in dozens over as many years, invited and in 'good standing' and in fellowship with them all - not any of them opposed to the others)
NOT ONE, NOBODY, exposed or revealed or spoke yahweh's word about witchcraft and sorcery.... !!!!!! not one !!!!!
........... for a few decades, as many as I saw, THEY ALL TOOK PART IN THE SORCERY !!!!! DECEPTION !!!!! (and most still do...) what's the lowly scrub-brush to do when the "mighty oaks" are burning ?!?!
FINALLY>>>> for her we pray and hope and trust yahweh, yahweh grants mercy and deliverance and truth from all of the curses and deceptions still present in most churches, Jews and gentiles, and in all peoples everywhere......
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So it is the opinion of many that the Mosaic laws regarding ceremonial cleanliness were given to Israel in preparation for the ultimate sacrifice, Christ and that these laws no longer are in effect as the ceremony/sacrifice has already been completed?
So now in regards to food, this applies once again:
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
So now in regards to food, this applies once again:
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
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Can we at least please all agree that if willful sin/entertaining sinful thoughts is a part of your life, you seriously need to repent and submit to the Holy Spirit because you are not walking in the Spirit but in the flesh. The mind set on the flesh is death. Those who are slaves to sin will perish, I don't care how many sinners prayers you have prayed.
Seriously, for any of you who think a follower of Christ should be content to live sin in any way, I question your Spiritual birth and so should you.
Seriously, for any of you who think a follower of Christ should be content to live sin in any way, I question your Spiritual birth and so should you.
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Because regardless of what people believe about ceremonial cleanliness. It will not lead to your destruction(my opinion).
There are many Christians who believe themselves saved from a sinners prayer. When they truly need to be born again.
This type of discussion can lead a non born again Christian to believe that we are free from being obedient to all of God's laws and this is not true. When we are born again, we become obedient to God's laws from the heart and in our thoughts.
There are many Christians who believe themselves saved from a sinners prayer. When they truly need to be born again.
This type of discussion can lead a non born again Christian to believe that we are free from being obedient to all of God's laws and this is not true. When we are born again, we become obedient to God's laws from the heart and in our thoughts.
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Normally I would reference scripture but in this reply I will not. Those who have actually studied the New Testament, I’m talking hours a day, everyday, for a long period of time, for me it has been several years, will know what I’m saying. (It’s called renewing of the mind.) Those who have just read the New Testament, or have just listen to their pastor in church on Sunday mornings or maybe tune in sometimes to TV preachers, will be lost.
If you want to know what sin is just read the law. The law was given so we would know what sin is.
I myself do not live by the law.
I exist in a shell which is made up of flesh and blood. Like a peanut within a shell, the peanut is separate from the shell. I to am separate from this flesh and blood shell. This shell that I live in is going to sin, it is going to break the law. No matter how hard it tries, no matter how much it doesn’t want to, it’s going to sin and there is nothing I can do to stop it. It may want to do the right thing, I can try to will it to do the right thing, but it’s going to do the wrong thing. Why?
This shell was born in a world which is evil. This shell it’s self is the offspring of two other evil shells which were also the offspring of evil shells. Jesus himself refers to this shell as being evil, “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children.” So the shell I live in is corrupt, sinful and evil.
However, my Brother’s shell was not. His Father was not of this world so that worldly evil seed did not corrupt his shell. (I’m adopted). Oh believe me, the world tried to get Him to corrupt his shell, but because His Father was not of this world, and there was no corruption, sin or evil in His shell, He was able to overcome this evil world and keep His shell pure and free from sin, something that I’m not able to do. His shell never broke the law.
There is a punishment for breaking law. And the shell I’m in has broken the law and continues to do so. My Brother’s shell never broke the law so there is no punishment for Him. Let me tell you what He did. He said Thomas, my brother, I love you so much that I’m going to take your place. The life that I lead, keeping my shell pure from the evil of this world, I give to you. From now on when our Father looks at you He will see My life. And the punishment you deserve for breaking the law, I will take that for you. And not only that I will give you a new shell, one that is pure, free from corruption and it will never ever be able to be corrupted.
Isn't my Brother wonderful.
He is not just my Brother, He is your Brother as well.
Oh..my Brothers name? Jesus Christ.
I love you all
If you want to know what sin is just read the law. The law was given so we would know what sin is.
I myself do not live by the law.
I exist in a shell which is made up of flesh and blood. Like a peanut within a shell, the peanut is separate from the shell. I to am separate from this flesh and blood shell. This shell that I live in is going to sin, it is going to break the law. No matter how hard it tries, no matter how much it doesn’t want to, it’s going to sin and there is nothing I can do to stop it. It may want to do the right thing, I can try to will it to do the right thing, but it’s going to do the wrong thing. Why?
This shell was born in a world which is evil. This shell it’s self is the offspring of two other evil shells which were also the offspring of evil shells. Jesus himself refers to this shell as being evil, “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children.” So the shell I live in is corrupt, sinful and evil.
However, my Brother’s shell was not. His Father was not of this world so that worldly evil seed did not corrupt his shell. (I’m adopted). Oh believe me, the world tried to get Him to corrupt his shell, but because His Father was not of this world, and there was no corruption, sin or evil in His shell, He was able to overcome this evil world and keep His shell pure and free from sin, something that I’m not able to do. His shell never broke the law.
There is a punishment for breaking law. And the shell I’m in has broken the law and continues to do so. My Brother’s shell never broke the law so there is no punishment for Him. Let me tell you what He did. He said Thomas, my brother, I love you so much that I’m going to take your place. The life that I lead, keeping my shell pure from the evil of this world, I give to you. From now on when our Father looks at you He will see My life. And the punishment you deserve for breaking the law, I will take that for you. And not only that I will give you a new shell, one that is pure, free from corruption and it will never ever be able to be corrupted.
Isn't my Brother wonderful.
He is not just my Brother, He is your Brother as well.
Oh..my Brothers name? Jesus Christ.
I love you all
W
Not sure if that was addressed to me, but I am going to answer as if it was
While I agree that our flesh is sinful, the sins that the flesh will continue to do are sins of thoughts and sins of fleshly reactionary attitudes. The Holy Spirit is more than capable to sanctify you from willful sin and entertaining evil thoughts. If a sinful thought comes into your mind or a sinful attitude, you stop it and submit it to the Spirit. If you continue to entertain such thoughts willfully then it is no longer your flesh committing the sin, but you. Our flesh needs to be in submission to the Spirit, the flesh will always be the flesh, but it can be subdued and tamed by the Spirit through our will. This is a foundational building block of following Christ and spiritual maturity . It is not optional, nor is it possible without the Holy Spirit
Those who call themselves brothers in Christ yet continue in practicing sin are on the path to destruction and should not be associated with.
While I agree that our flesh is sinful, the sins that the flesh will continue to do are sins of thoughts and sins of fleshly reactionary attitudes. The Holy Spirit is more than capable to sanctify you from willful sin and entertaining evil thoughts. If a sinful thought comes into your mind or a sinful attitude, you stop it and submit it to the Spirit. If you continue to entertain such thoughts willfully then it is no longer your flesh committing the sin, but you. Our flesh needs to be in submission to the Spirit, the flesh will always be the flesh, but it can be subdued and tamed by the Spirit through our will. This is a foundational building block of following Christ and spiritual maturity . It is not optional, nor is it possible without the Holy Spirit
Those who call themselves brothers in Christ yet continue in practicing sin are on the path to destruction and should not be associated with.
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Its called the New Testament written in His Blood...that sets us free from the law of Moses ...If you don't believe the New Testament you do not believe Christ or His Word.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
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