WHOSE WORK IS GREATER? THE FIRST ADAM'S OR THE SECOND ADAM'S?

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Those who come to the throne of GRACE had better have the RIGHT GARMENT
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i come to the throne of *Grace in Christ! so no need for right garment. by the way i do not need the right garment to sit on the throne with him in heavenly places do i? do you know why i don't need the right garment, Bc Christ is my garment. i am in him. all that he is , is what he has made me!! i am a son in him, i am righteous in him, i am perfect in him, i am sited on Gods throne in him!! etc etc.. did you see that? These are my inheritance in Christ! these are what he died to make me. i don't see myself otherwise!!
 
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i come to the throne of *Grace in Christ! so no need for right garment. by the way i do not need the right garment to sit on the throne with him in heavenly places do i? do you know why i don't need the right garment, Bc Christ is my garment. i am in him. all that he is , is what he has made me!! i am a son in him, i am righteous in him, i am perfect in him, i am sited on Gods throne in him!! etc etc.. did you see that? These are my inheritance in Christ! these are what he died to make me. i don't see myself otherwise!!
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Ok. Are all in HIM?
 
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By the way the reason you have an inheritance with CHRIST..... IN CHRIST Is because through faith in HIM you were transferred out of the kingdom of darkness INTO the the KINGDOM of LIGHT in HIS AON whom HE LOVES (because it was GOD who brought us into fellowship with HIS SON) and seated us in the heavenly realms in CHRIST JESUS
 
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Adam and Eve's garment was different and that garment sent them out from the presence of GOD until the RIGHT GARMENT which is the ONE AND INKY WAY back to THE TREE OF KUFE might be revealed to all the "Adams and eves"

yea you do donned the RIGHT GARMENT and if one dies not have the RIGHT GARMENT they can't come to the wedding
 
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You recognize the garment

but not all do
that was the point notbonlynof John 3 but HOS PRAYER to those who are "not of the world"

for they dont know HIM which is why they don't have and can't have the things of THE SPIRIT
abd it is only through CHRIST that one has access to THE FATHER bybthat ONE SPIRIT
he who has THE SON has the FATHER also
but not all accept this TRUTH

In fact they deny it
 
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Tell me why the world can not receive HIM?
 
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miknik5 said:
Adam and Eve's garment was different and that garment sent them out from the presence of GOD until the RIGHT GARMENT which is the ONE AND ONLY WAY back to THE TREE OF LIFE might be revealed to all the "Adams and eves"

yea you do need the RIGHT GARMENT and if one dies not have the RIGHT GARMENT they can't come to the wedding
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You really are missing the point. the majority of Christianity thinks Adam did a BETTER job then Christ.

1. Christ only died for some sin's, but Adam was wholly successful at condemning ALL.
2. Christ can't keep you saved, because our old man(Adam) is more powerful.
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What are you doing? Devaluing the TRUTH that those who hear the MESSAGE OF THE CROSS hear it upon the heart. It is the kn e buckling/. PRICK TO THE HEART revelation of the astounding GIFT OF GOD

What you're doing is suggesting to men peace peace and then comes destruction

qhat firs it mean the hat GOD to be just when HE judges will justify all whose faith is in HIS SON?
 
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What are you doing? Devaluing the TRUTH that those who hear the MESSAGE OF THE CROSS hear it upon the heart. It is the kn e buckling/. PRICK TO THE HEART revelation of the astounding GIFT OF GOD

What you're doing is suggesting to men peace peace and then comes destruction

qhat firs it mean the hat GOD to be just when HE judges will justify all whose faith is in HIS SON?
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You know I need to ask you. What are you doing?

You are not understanding a BIT of what I am saying. How can I better state things for you?
 
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Gr8grace said:
You know I need to ask you. What are you doing?

You are not understanding a BIT of what I am saying. How can I better state things for you?
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You, in your last post to me said "what are you doing" to me. I simply responded back at you, what are YOU doing?
Again, autocorrect is amiss...

I would like for you to expound what it means that GOD will be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in JESUS...


What exactly does this mean for those who have no faith in JESUS?
 
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you don't seem to get it do you? Paul is recounting to them their pre- conversion life. he is reminding them how they came to a acknowledge Christ!! look at the words closely again pls " in whom you also trusted, after you have heard the word of truth, the gospel( good news) of your salvation, in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13)"
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After you heard the word of TRUTH and after you had BELIEVED!
 
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Somebody help me because I am NOT "getting it" at all!!!!!!!!!
 
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You, in your last post to me said "what are you doing" to me. I simply responded back at you, what are YOU doing?
Again, autocorrect is amiss...

I would like for you to expound what it means that GOD will be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in JESUS...


What exactly does this mean for those who have no faith in JESUS?
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No faith in The Lord Jesus Christ? They will suffer eternal death In the Lake of Fire. Because they never trusted The Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation.

Because we have believed , we have eternal life IN Christ.

And I am trying to keep it as basic as possible, because we are having a hard time understanding each other.
 
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Gr8grace said:
No faith in The Lord Jesus Christ? They will suffer eternal death In the Lake of Fire. Because they never trusted The Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation.

Because we have believed , we have eternal life IN Christ.

And I am trying to keep it as basic as possible, because we are having a hard time understanding each other.
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Hmm?

I thought HIS WORK was a FINISHED WORK and applies to all? And that we preach "justification" and NOT "reconciliation"?
 
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Why are we preaching something different than the TRUTH that those who believe in HIM have (((((((ETERNAL LIFE)))))))...


Now, sir...yes, maybe I am misunderstanding you and heavenly bound.

Would you like to repeat again that ALL are born again because of the finished work of CHRIST therefore all who believe this, have eternal LIFE, and GOD will justify them because their faith in THE LORD (hidden in their heart - but not hidden from GOD) is their faith in THE LORD and HIS FINISHED WORK...

Now we will be justified by FAITH in HIM...or by the "saving works" we perform because of our FAITH in HIM?
What comes first?
 
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Hmm?

I thought HIS WORK was a FINISHED WORK and applies to all? And that we preach "justification" and NOT "reconciliation"?
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Reconciliation is the message that we preach. He died for all sin.

Believe it and you are justified/saved.

If we don't believe it, we are judged according to our own righteousness(human good/works/evil) because He paid for ALL sin.

Rev 20;13~~King James Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
 
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Gr8grace said:
Reconciliation is the message that we preach. He died for all sin.

Believe it and you are justified/saved.

If we don't believe it, we are judged according to our own righteousness(human good/works/evil) because He paid for ALL sin.

Rev 20;13~~King James Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
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You actually said "justification" is what we preach...and in fact, you believe that all by HIS FINISHED WORK are reconciled but not all are justified.

Now you are changing it?


Why do you post Revelation 20? And why do you underline "according to their works"?
Don't you know there's a difference between those who have heard HIS VOICE now and those who will hear HIS VOICE later?
 
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You actually said "justification" is what we preach...and in fact, you believe that all by HIS FINISHED WORK are reconciled but not all are justified.

Now you are changing it?


Why do you post Revelation 20? And why do you underline "according to their works"?
Don't you know there's a difference between those who have heard HIS VOICE now and those who will hear HIS VOICE later?
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God bless Sister. I have tried to state it as clear as I know. Maybe someone will come along that will "click" with your language.
 
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Ok. Maybe.

Since i'm struggling regarding certain things which HE said regarding those who would believe in HIM and those who wouldn't
 
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miknik5 said:
Adam and Eve's garment was different and that garment sent them out from the presence of GOD until the RIGHT GARMENT which is the ONE AND INKY WAY back to THE TREE OF KUFE might be revealed to all the "Adams and eves"

yea you do donned the RIGHT GARMENT and if one dies not have the RIGHT GARMENT they can't come to the wedding
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so according to u, where is Adam and eve now since they didn't have the Right garments? in hell i presume?
 
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