"DATE" Who should pay Men? women? Shared? or???

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bigoilben

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Well boys were brought up to believe that it's the proper right thing to do is to pay on a date but call me cheap or what ever but I personally don't believe in payin on the first date cause you have no idea if there will be a second ya know. If that was the case I'd rather feed a homeless man that truly needs the meal. To sum it up the first date I'd say no but if it went well than second and third date are fine to pay for but at some point the woman needs to help cover some expenses with out having to be asked. That is just my opinion.
 

gypsygirl

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honestly, most guys don't do the whole standing or pulling out (or pushing) the chair thing. the door opening is pretty common, but what is really awkward is being the girl who is trying not to offend either with expectations.

i've been out with guys who did the whole 9 yards. opened the car door, opened all the doors, pulled the chair out, and stood up when i went to the ladies room. then there are guys whose will hold the door open for you (and that's about it) but are very polite, nonetheless.

it's really sometimes hard to predict who will do what, and and if a guy is expecting to do all these courtesies and you're not expecting him to, there is a weird moment where you are aware of the fact that you're not giving him the chance to do that. on the other hand, there is an equally awkward moment of anticipation when you're waiting because the last date you were on, the guy kind of trotted over to open the car door. but THIS guy is standing behind the car and waiting for you. it's really not that big of a deal, but being cognizant of all that stuff can escape your mind if you're actually engaged in conversation or just not thinking about it.

i know you're thinking, "oh, you can tell, because of age, where he was raised, evidence of civility, etc." but honestly, i've found there isn't always a good predictor of such things.

i've been surprised more than once by the guy who seems like the last person in the world to care about such things.


by the way, there is only one thing i find annoying in the whole chivalry thing. i don't need someone to order dinner for me--as if the big words and complicated menu is too much for my simple little mind.

while it's seldom a thing, i really find that bit of chivalry a bit annoying and kind of unnecessary.
 
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Fenner

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I've honestly never had anyone run over and open the car door for me. It never bothered me, I've taught my own kids to hold a door open for other's, especially an elderly person or a parent with a stroller.
 
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1still_waters

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In my opinion, it's 2015, most women aren't damsels in distress, incapable of paying for their share of a first or second date. Let her co-pay and payoff off her deductible for the first date or two, that way she won't feel pressured to continue seeing the guy because he pays, and he won't have to worry about her liking him because he is paying.

If after a date or two she is showing willingness to continue and invest further emotionally, then the guy can start paying because she shows herself worthy of him spending money on.

For a woman to think she's worth a guy spending his money on her from day one, I kinda have problems with that. But if she's a helpless damsel in distress, then the guy can pay her copay and deductible.
 

seoulsearch

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Let her co-pay and payoff off her deductible for the first date or two, that way she won't feel pressured to continue seeing the guy because he pays, and he won't have to worry about her liking him because he is paying.

If after a date or two she is showing willingness to continue and invest further emotionally, then the guy can start paying because she shows herself worthy of him spending money on.

For a woman to think she's worth a guy spending his money on her from day one, I kinda have problems with that. But if she's a helpless damsel in distress, then the guy can pay her copay and deductible.
No wonder Stillwaters comes and goes.

Aside from actively policing CC and writing manuals on the modern etiquette of dating, he must also be running his own insurance company. :D

Yes, please. I too, would like to buy a dating insurance policy. I'm going to need maximum coverage with the lowest deductible possible and a reasonable co-pay (nothing over $4.)

Either that... or I'm starting to wonder if Obamacare has made its way into everything--including dating.
 
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1still_waters

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No wonder Stillwaters comes and goes.

Aside from actively policing CC and writing manuals on the modern etiquette of dating, he must also be running his own insurance company. :D

Yes, please. I too, would like to buy a dating insurance policy. I'm going to need maximum coverage with the lowest deductible possible and a reasonable co-pay (nothing over $4.)

Either that... or I'm starting to wonder if Obamacare has made its way into everything--including dating.
I'm open to socialized dating per this clause
But if she's a helpless damsel in distress, then the guy can pay her copay and deductible.
Hey if she's a damsel in distress, then I can spread the wealth around.
 

seoulsearch

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If you won't sell me a policy, I'll be in a lot of distress.

Especially the way my first dates have all been.
 
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1still_waters

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If you won't sell me a policy, I'll be in a lot of distress.

Especially the way my first dates have all been.
That's the beauty of this policy. There is an easy guilt free escape hatch clause. Due to the woman paying her co-pay and deductible upfront, if she decides to leave she feels no guilt due to the guy not investing his money.
 
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Katri

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Depends on the person. For me..It wouldn't hurt to be treated good and pampered by a gentleman who doesn't mind shelling out a few dollars, to prove he can provide for all of my needs. I can take care of myself, and I make my own money, but I am not a proud person. Don't know about anyone else.

I think there is a balance and a fine line. Balance is the key. No going overboard with gifts, but honestly that would be pretty freaking awesome. I love presents. :p
 
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seoulsearch

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I like presents as much as the next girl but I also like giving them as well (in a balanced relationship.)

One of my best memories ever is the year I was married and the original Playstation was about to come out. The advertising was everywhere and my husband would drool every time he saw it... but money was tight and I told him, "I'm sorry honey, we can't afford it... Maybe next year."

However, the truth was that I was actually lying to him. I was saving my own money, bit by bit, dollar by dollar, and couldn't wait to go to the store to buy one for him. And when I finally did, I couldn't contain it. I bought one within the first days of its release and hid it in the house for a week... but wound up giving it to him early because I was so excited. The look on his face was just... it had no price.

Best. Christmas. Ever.

It makes me so sad that our marriage disintegrated but there were some moments I still treasure.
 
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Katri

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I like presents as much as the next girl but I also like giving them as well (in a balanced relationship.)

One of my best memories ever is the year I was married and the original Playstation was about to come out. The advertising was everywhere and my husband would drool every time he saw it... but money was tight and I told him, "I'm sorry honey, we can't afford it... Maybe next year."

However, the truth was that I was actually lying to him. I was saving my own money, bit by bit, dollar by dollar, and couldn't wait to go to the store to buy one for him. And when I finally did, I couldn't contain it. I bought one within the first days of its release and hid it in the house for a week... but wound up giving it to him early because I was so excited. The look on his face was just... it had no price.

Best. Christmas. Ever.

It makes me so sad that our marriage disintegrated but there were some moments I still treasure.
Well I'm not married, and don't know what its like to be treated like a wife..or a girlfriend. I don't know what it is like..

I don't think I'm being selfish when I say I want gifts, or anything for that matter... It's just wishful thinking. I am someone who does give gifts, more than anyone will ever know, but I don't have to defend myself to anyone.
 

seoulsearch

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No worries Katri. We all have our preferences :).

I was just thinking out loud is all, and lately I've been thinking that I miss doting on someone, but in a balanced give-and-take situation of course, with not just one person doing all the giving.
 
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Katri

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No worries Katri. We all have our preferences :).

I was just thinking out loud is all, and lately I've been thinking that I miss doting on someone, but in a balanced give-and-take situation of course, with not just one person doing all the giving.
well thanks for bursting my fun bubble...and for your lovely assumption.
 

seoulsearch

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well thanks for bursting my bubble, I shouldn't have said anything...it was stupid anyway.
No, what you said wasn't stupid at all. It's great that you're wanting to share your feelings here with us...

Like I said, no worries... This thread was just making me think about some things as well, both from my past and how I wish my future would go, but we're all in this together and are here to support each other along the way.

Who doesn't like both giving, and getting, a good gift now and then? :) I know I do, too. :)
 
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Tintin

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well thanks for bursting my fun bubble...and for your lovely assumption.
How rude! SeoulSearch is just trying to help. Sensitive much?
 

seoulsearch

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How rude! SeoulSearch is just trying to help.
Bless you TinTin! Thank you so much for understanding.

Katri, I'm sorry if I offended you, I certainly didn't mean to. I've had some lonely feelings lately, feelings of regret and loss over the past, and they just kind of spilled out here.

I was not saying at all that you are wrong to feel the way you do. It's like you said, I believe as well that balance is the key.
 
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Katri

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Bless you TinTin! Thank you so much for understanding.

Katri, I'm sorry if I offended you, I certainly didn't mean to. I've had some lonely feelings lately, feelings of regret and loss over the past, and they just kind of spilled out here.

I was not saying at all that you are wrong to feel the way you do. It's like you said, I believe as well that balance is the key.
Well...it sounded like you were making an assumption of my character, because I said that. I shouldn't have said anything, this is a touchy subject for me so touchy and so sensitive it is stupid to get touchy over. Well enough talking, I apologize.

How rude! SeoulSearch is just trying to help. Sensitive much?
Probably. ...but if you don't like me then have me banned. Then you will have no more rudeness to inconvenience.
 
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seoulsearch

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Well...it sounded like you were making an assumption of my character, because I said that. I shouldn't have said anything, this is a touchy subject for me so touchy and so sensitive it is stupid to get touchy over. Well enough talking, I apologize.



Probably. ...but if you don't like me then have me banned. Then you will have no more rudeness to inconvenience.
Nope, I wasn't assuming anything about your character.

I prefer to let people speak for themselves.

Take care and God bless.
 

Fenner

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No one wants to have you banned Katri.