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relientkchick_4

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am i allowed to share the link of the article written based off of this thread?
 

Lynx

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Nothing in the forum rules against it. But it's thoughtful of you to ask. :cool: What's the link?
 

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How many times did that happen to you, wisebeardman? Are we talking about a one-time I-give-up thing, or multiple random women told you that?

Sixteen is awfully young to have been rejected so many times that you give up completely.
Each relationship I've been in resulted from the women trying to convince themselves in some way. As a way to not hurt my feelings. Or they think I'm a sweet guy. Because of that, I'm hesitant on asking any more women out in the future. Even though I would like to be in a relationship one day. They say once is an accident, two is a trend. There's some trend here, and it probably has something to do with me. I'm starting to work on me on a deeper level and hopefully find out the core of it all, so I can potentially have better relationships in the future.
 
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You do realize that a lot of women say that crap at that age right? Most of them grow up at some point or another in their early to mid 20's. Just ignore the ones who don't.

Definitely ignore the ones who don't though - they meet a man who is moderately financially successful and then castrate him throughout a long and grueling marriage which defines the rest of his pathetic existence. Sometimes they decide he's no fun any more (after they've castrated him) and file for divorce.

The rest of the women out there though, most of them are tolerable, some are even exceptional (though they are rare or I wouldn't be single). Not trying only guarantees a negative outcome.



But seriously I heard those same comments as a teenager, and did manage to get a few dates. That wasn't what stopped me from dating at all, but more the fact that I was in fact, someone who could never provide for a woman in any real capacity until quite recently. Women do seem to want that, whether they say so or not, plus if I couldn't offer it, I couldn't really offer anything of value any ways.

Now, I'm not sure what's holding me back.
yeah most grow up out of it, after they have popped out 3 kids by 3 different guys and been around the block who knows how many times. NOPE want no part in that, and fact is if I wasn't good enough then, then I ain't good enough now. period.
 
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yeah most grow up out of it, after they have popped out 3 kids by 3 different guys and been around the block who knows how many times. NOPE want no part in that, and fact is if I wasn't good enough then, then I ain't good enough now. period.
Dude, you have an even bleaker outlook than I do...

And honestly, are you saying that you were perfect at that age? Because even as a Christian, I was an idiot at that age. Rejection in your teenage years is not something to base your entire life off of.
 
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Dude, you have an even bleaker outlook than I do...

And honestly, are you saying that you were perfect at that age? Because even as a Christian, I was an idiot at that age. Rejection in your teenage years is not something to base your entire life off of.
what im bleak because I won't just jump in with a woman who pretty much pimped herself out to any tom dick and harry when she was younger, popping out how many kids by how many daddies? NOPE sorry want no part of it. And I am to just over look someone telling me how I wan't good enough or was too ugly 16 years ago. NOPE not going to happen.

Maybe people should watch what they say, cause it will have a way of sneaking back up on you. and me I never forget when people do me wrong. do i forgive? yes. will I have anything to do with them? nope.
 
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what im bleak because I won't just jump in with a woman who pretty much pimped herself out to any tom dick and harry when she was younger, popping out how many kids by how many daddies? NOPE sorry want no part of it. And I am to just over look someone telling me how I wan't good enough or was too ugly 16 years ago. NOPE not going to happen.

Maybe people should watch what they say, cause it will have a way of sneaking back up on you. and me I never forget when people do me wrong. do i forgive? yes. will I have anything to do with them? nope.
You don't have a limited pool of people to choose from, you know. There are literally millions of women you've never met who never said anything mean to you.
 

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While I am really sorry that you were treated poorly, wisebeardman, and I know what it's like to carry that with you for years past the actual poor treatment itself, it's ultimately up to you whether or not you define yourself by it. While you certainly were treated wrongly when you were 16, you giving up on finding someone to marry is your choice alone. You were no doubt victimized when you were 16, but now at 32 you are allowing yourself to continue to be perpetually victimized by a memory, and that seems like a really awful way to live. Don't you want better for yourself than that?
 
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relientkchick_4

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Aww I knew I liked your posts for a reason Lynx.I can amen that.Ny husband is a southerner and when we began to date and I offered to pay my own he said "I would like to pay.Its what a gentleman does and what my mother raised me to do.Its my job to pay."Times when he was running short on cash I'd have to really push him to use my money. I really thought he was a sweet guy,and now we're married.lol
awww thats soo cute!!
 
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relientkchick_4

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I think for me, I just see it as a way of serving her. I wouldn't be paying because I'm supposed to or because I want to feel more manly, I would be doing it out of a way that I know I could tangibly serve her. I'm not that great at cooking, I'm not much of a handyman, etc. So this is one way I know that I could love her well, and I think I would be bummed not to have that opportunity at least on occasion.

I also think there is something symbolic about it. The guy always being ready and willing to pay (even if he doesn't in the end) signifies that he understands that one of his roles as a husband someday will be to be the provider for his family and that he is willing to step into that role. With that said, though, I think it would be very easy to slip into pride for either gender when it comes to how they handle this particular aspect of dating, and it would be unfortunate to let a good thing go sour over the cost of a meal.
u should read this :D Here Is Why Paying For The Date Is Not About The Money | James Michael Sama
 
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relientkchick_4

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Good article! I'd agree. I'm a little surprised that so many women spend $50+ on date prep, but that definitely is something that men probably don't think about.
my brother actually shared it on facebook i was shocked hes not a christian but he is respectful to women at least that i know of :)
 

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what im bleak because I won't just jump in with a woman who pretty much pimped herself out to any tom dick and harry when she was younger, popping out how many kids by how many daddies? NOPE sorry want no part of it. And I am to just over look someone telling me how I wan't good enough or was too ugly 16 years ago. NOPE not going to happen.

Maybe people should watch what they say, cause it will have a way of sneaking back up on you. and me I never forget when people do me wrong. do i forgive? yes. will I have anything to do with them? nope.

whenever you talk about women, it always seems as though you're referencing the same one or two women, which i find fascinating.

could it be you might be vilifying an entire gender for a few women's misdeeds?

really there are lots of women who "don't have three kids by three guys, pimped herself out" or any of the like. you talk as though women are just waiting to devour you and take advantage of you... etc.

i dunno. i am kind of amazed by this. there are plenty of women who aren't interested in your money, interested in insulting you, or taking advantage of you in some fashion. trust me on this. : )

would you believe me if i told you that all guys are exactly the same?
 

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seoulsearch you have got to get down to the south and find a nice guy. Down here we raise them to treat a lady right. If you would be blown away by a guy paying for himself and offering to pay for you... Down here that's just what a guy does. You don't ask someone out and then ask her to pay for it.
Not only would I be impressed by his manners, but I would also be mesmerized by his accent. The thicker, the better. Certain accents are like music to me and I could listen all day long.

Wow. I'm not sure I could even handle the thought--a guy who offers to pay AND a good accent? At the same time??? Danger, Will Robinson. Definite overload.

All this talk about dating is making me want to start asking guys out for coffee... or tea... or milkshakes...

P.S. I know this is from another thread but thanks for the advice on stand-alone vs. rental McD's. The regular one is a bit further away but closer to where I work so the next time I get a craving, I'll try it there. Thanks for the heads up!
 
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You don't have a limited pool of people to choose from, you know. There are literally millions of women you've never met who never said anything mean to you.
thats just cause they have not met me.. truth is at my age its pretty much over. I ain't interested in being a play daddy or a pre-made family and quite frank no point in bothering with a relationship unless I can have my own family which is doubtful. Plus being alone all this time I have got to a point I just don't like people in general. That is why I am here its a lot easier to deal with all of you online (and nothing is wrong with you peeps I like most of ya) but when I get tired of ya, I click the "x" and its gone until I decide to deal with ya again. hard to do that in person.

While I am really sorry that you were treated poorly, wisebeardman, and I know what it's like to carry that with you for years past the actual poor treatment itself, it's ultimately up to you whether or not you define yourself by it. While you certainly were treated wrongly when you were 16, you giving up on finding someone to marry is your choice alone. You were no doubt victimized when you were 16, but now at 32 you are allowing yourself to continue to be perpetually victimized by a memory, and that seems like a really awful way to live. Don't you want better for yourself than that?
As with my other comment, im just fine honestly. I accepted it long ago. quite frank I just don't care I haven't cared in a long long time. and I am only talking about it cause a question was asked and I am giving my thoughts. Don't take it as some pity party cause I don't do that. Just discussing how I feel about things.
 
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whenever you talk about women, it always seems as though you're referencing the same one or two women, which i find fascinating.

could it be you might be vilifying an entire gender for a few women's misdeeds?

really there are lots of women who "don't have three kids by three guys, pimped herself out" or any of the like. you talk as though women are just waiting to devour you and take advantage of you... etc.

i dunno. i am kind of amazed by this. there are plenty of women who aren't interested in your money, interested in insulting you, or taking advantage of you in some fashion. trust me on this. : )

would you believe me if i told you that all guys are exactly the same?
Look as society in general. as for me talking about what has gone on with me, it was a lot more then one or two.
As for the women with 3 kids with 3 guys, well mostly it is true. do ALL women do it? no some have some sense but seems these days most of the under 30 crowd has lost that. and yes guys have lost it as well.
As for guys being bad, Im just as critical of them as well. Quite frank I rather dislike society period. do not like what it has become and where it is heading.

as for a woman interested in me, honestly ill believe it when I see it, but I am not holding my breath.

Do I seem cold or mean? im sure I do, cause i put thing blunt and to the point I don't walk on eggshells I just say what I think. and hopefully someone learns something from it. maybe some young girl will read my rants and say "wow I will make sure I never end up like the women he is talking about" or a young guy will read my rants and say to himself "yeah using women just for bed fun isn't cool I won't be that kind of guy" but IDK time will tell.
 
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I have got to a point I just don't like people in general. That is why I am here its a lot easier to deal with all of you online (and nothing is wrong with you peeps I like most of ya) but when I get tired of ya, I click the "x" and its gone until I decide to deal with ya again. hard to do that in person.
Yeah, this is a good place for people who don't tolerate others in real life well. And I agree that you are probably happier alone at this point. I guess my main concern for you would be that your aversion toward people will continue to get worse as you age, and at 32, you have a lot of years left. You've mentioned before that it's gotten worse in the last 15 years or so. In 15 more years you may be miserable just leaving the house for groceries. Better to stretch yourself and learn coping skills now before it gets to that point. And that starts with learning to see people differently, forgive past hurts, and find joy in people. It's a state of mind that has to be honed through practice. You don't have to marry anyone. Just go sit in a library for an hour, look at the people there, and find something good about each one.
 
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Yeah, this is a good place for people who don't tolerate others in real life well. And I agree that you are probably happier alone at this point. I guess my main concern for you would be that your aversion toward people will continue to get worse as you age, and at 32, you have a lot of years left. You've mentioned before that it's gotten worse in the last 15 years or so. In 15 more years you may be miserable just leaving the house for groceries. Better to stretch yourself and learn coping skills now before it gets to that point. And that starts with learning to see people differently, forgive past hurts, and find joy in people. It's a state of mind that has to be honed through practice. You don't have to marry anyone. Just go sit in a library for an hour, look at the people there, and find something good about each one.
im already at that point with going out for groceries... if I do it in the day hours I won't be hungry for a week... plus standing on line for 30 minutes cause they have 25 registers and only 1 open really gets me mouthing off. so I go out about 330am. nice and quiet outside of the drunks.

as for forgive past hurts, oh I have. I just never forget. if you do me wrong once you are done, ill never have anything to do with you again. that is how I am always have been that way. and needless to say only a handful have made it this long around me. but they say in life you will only have a handful of true friends.