Marijuana?

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greatkraw

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So, are we talking about 'the lesser of two weevils?' :)
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#62
I'm really suprised by the amount of support marijuana is getting. Despite what it does physically, have any of you thought about what it does spiritually?

what about alcohol?
 
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lil-rush

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I'm really suprised by the amount of support marijuana is getting. Despite what it does physically, have any of you thought about what it does spiritually?
marijuana only does something spiritually if you let it.

For many people, they are not the sort who should do any sort of drug at all. Even prescription drugs should be withheld from them. Marijuana only seems bad to Christians, because society has made it seem evil. I am pretty sure that if twinkies became illegal to sell, Christians would say you shouldn't eat twinkies because they are evil.

There are plenty of good, strong Christians who consume marijuana. Doesn't make them any less of a Christian than you or me.

Snail, how is marijuana worse than alcohol?

Heavy marijuana use can affect someone's IQ, true. However, if legalized, people who started to use it would most likely be light users(potheads vs marijuana smokers, if you will). If you are a pothead, obviously your IQ will drop. If you are a simple marijuana smoker, your intelligence will stay the same as always. Regardless of legalization, you will always have potheads.

As to the immune system argument, how many medicines used in the hospital suppress the immune system? I don't see you calling for their illegalization or saying they are an in for demons. What about the drugs my sister was given after having her wisdom teeth pulled? They made her loopy, yet I see no one saying those drugs should be illegalized. Seems to me, one should be either for or against. Otherwise, stop the witch hunt.
Also, marijuana does not kill your immune system, especially if you only use it lightly. Obviously the overconsumption of anything will be bad for your body. Even too much water is bad for you.
 
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lil-rush

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#64
Sorry, I should add I don't advocate people using marijuana if it is illegal in your country, and I don't advocate people using marijuana if it is a stumbling block for you or would be a stumbling block for people who hang out around you.

Marijuana should only be used if you can use it responsibly, and won't cause any of your brethern to stumble by your using it.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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I'm really suprised by the amount of support marijuana is getting. Despite what it does physically, have any of you thought about what it does spiritually?
Well, anything can have effects spiritually if you allow it.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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#67
marijuana only does something spiritually if you let it.

For many people, they are not the sort who should do any sort of drug at all. Even prescription drugs should be withheld from them. Marijuana only seems bad to Christians, because society has made it seem evil. I am pretty sure that if twinkies became illegal to sell, Christians would say you shouldn't eat twinkies because they are evil.

There are plenty of good, strong Christians who consume marijuana. Doesn't make them any less of a Christian than you or me.
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Haha! Oh plllleeaseee. Spare me the over-reacting Christian argument. I've consumed my share of marijuana and I didn't (and still dont) care less who was around me doing it- Christian or not.
Don't judge me based on your bias views of Christians. I think marijuana is bad for the soul. Period. And I also say that not because it's illegal, or just so darn super-de-duper bad (egads!)- its because I've had experiences with it that dont agree with my spiritual life. As a Christian, I believe what we take into our bodies can effect out not only emotionally but spiritually. Tripping out of my mind into backward thinking isn't my idea of a good substance. I've been very messed up weird places that i couldn't control on marijuana. Praise God? Dont think so.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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#68
Dread Zeppelin, have you thought just because it happened to you that I might not happen to someone else?
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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#69
Dread Zeppelin, have you thought just because it happened to you that I might not happen to someone else?
Obviously we're all different. Marijuana can make you a giggle monster for all I know. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen eventually to all drug users (bad trips). It's still a form of escaping reality- and i believe in being sober.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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ya, what I was saying is about your comment about spirituality, but never mind.
 

DinoDillinger

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The idea that weed is not as evil as alcohol is incorrect. The idea that alcohol is evil is incorrect. If you believe that alcohol is evil then you should find another savoir. Now in excess it can deffinatly lead to sin. Just wanting to get drunk is a sin I believe. It demonstates that the Holy Spirit, that God, is not enough to make you happy. Alcohol causes alot of bad things, a blanket statement that alcohol itself is evil is biblically wrong. Evil comes from the hearts of men, simple as that.

If you live in a country where weed is illegal that smoking it is a sin. I used to be a big pothead, it screwed up alot of things in my life, so even if it was legal I think it most likely would be a sin for me. The idea that you could smoke weed and not get high would only be correct if you smoke alot of weed. So anyone thinking about just smoking alittle but not to get high is incorrect. Unless your a cancer patient or something, your smoking it to get high.
 
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Cako53

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The idea that weed is not as evil as alcohol is incorrect. The idea that alcohol is evil is incorrect. If you believe that alcohol is evil then you should find another savoir. Now in excess it can deffinatly lead to sin. Just wanting to get drunk is a sin I believe. It demonstates that the Holy Spirit, that God, is not enough to make you happy. Alcohol causes alot of bad things, a blanket statement that alcohol itself is evil is biblically wrong. Evil comes from the hearts of men, simple as that.

If you live in a country where weed is illegal that smoking it is a sin. I used to be a big pothead, it screwed up alot of things in my life, so even if it was legal I think it most likely would be a sin for me. The idea that you could smoke weed and not get high would only be correct if you smoke alot of weed. So anyone thinking about just smoking alittle but not to get high is incorrect. Unless your a cancer patient or something, your smoking it to get high.
In the first part, if you are refering to the fact that Jesus drank wine, than keep in mind that the alcohol levels then were WAY lower than what we have now a days. I'm not saying that you shouldn't drink, I am just saying that alcohol has changed a lot.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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hey, caleb im not arguing but I am wondering how you knew the alcohol levels were lower than now?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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The idea that weed is not as evil as alcohol is incorrect. The idea that alcohol is evil is incorrect. If you believe that alcohol is evil then you should find another savoir. Now in excess it can deffinatly lead to sin. Just wanting to get drunk is a sin I believe. It demonstates that the Holy Spirit, that God, is not enough to make you happy. Alcohol causes alot of bad things, a blanket statement that alcohol itself is evil is biblically wrong. Evil comes from the hearts of men, simple as that.

If you live in a country where weed is illegal that smoking it is a sin. I used to be a big pothead, it screwed up alot of things in my life, so even if it was legal I think it most likely would be a sin for me. The idea that you could smoke weed and not get high would only be correct if you smoke alot of weed. So anyone thinking about just smoking alittle but not to get high is incorrect. Unless your a cancer patient or something, your smoking it to get high.
I think that is an important question. Why do you smoke pot and why do you drink alcohol? If you say, I smoke pot because I like the feeling, then why do it if it is illegal. It obviously has hold of you if you would do it even if it is illegal. If you smoke pot to escape (or for that matter drink alcohol) then it has the wrong place in your life. In my work and in my family I have seen tto much damage done by "only pot"
 

superdave5221

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The above website is interesting. If you look on the labels of prescription drugs, and most OTC drugs, you will find side effects much worse than those listed on your website. In some cases, the side effects include death. Obviously, these are not general side effects, but can occur, even in very small numbers. I submit the following:

"A review of the literature suggests that the majority of cannabis users, who use the drug occasionally rather than on a daily basis, will not suffer any lasting physical or mental harm. Conversely, as with other ‘recreational' drugs, there will be some who suffer adverse consequences from their use of cannabis. Some individuals who have psychotic thought tendencies might risk precipitating psychotic illness. Those who consume large doses of the drug on a regular basis are likely to have lower educational achievement and lower income, and may suffer physical damage to the airways. They also run a significant risk of becoming dependent upon continuing use of the drug. There is little evidence, however, that these adverse effects persist after drug use stops or that any direct cause and effect relationships are involved."

Source:
Iversen, Leslie L., PhD, FRS, "Long-Term Effects of Exposure to Cannabis," Current Opinion in Pharmacology, Feb. 2005, Vol. 5, No. 1, p. 71.

In any case, in a free country, it should be up to the individual, and not Big Brother to decide. Most recreational users have no problem. For those with problems, they should stick to Starbucks.


But for you to say that marijuana is worse than alcohol, indicates to me that you know nothing about this subject. If you check drugwarfacts.org they list the common causes of death in the U.S. in the year 2000. Alcohol is number three with 85,000 deaths. Marijuana is number fourteen with, you guessed it, ZERO!! Aspirin was thirteen with 7600 deaths! Maybe the government should ban aspirin!

Wow, alcohol 85,000 dead, marijuana ZERO. What kind of relatavistic scale are you using? And this doesn't begin to take into account the number of battered wives and children from angry, drunk husbands!
 
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Cako53

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hey, caleb im not arguing but I am wondering how you knew the alcohol levels were lower than now?
I can't find the site right now, but I cna continue looking. But they have tested wines that were found from back in that time era, and it is said that ours are MUCH higher.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#77
The above website is interesting. If you look on the labels of prescription drugs, and most OTC drugs, you will find side effects much worse than those listed on your website. In some cases, the side effects include death. Obviously, these are not general side effects, but can occur, even in very small numbers. I submit the following:

"A review of the literature suggests that the majority of cannabis users, who use the drug occasionally rather than on a daily basis, will not suffer any lasting physical or mental harm. Conversely, as with other ‘recreational' drugs, there will be some who suffer adverse consequences from their use of cannabis. Some individuals who have psychotic thought tendencies might risk precipitating psychotic illness. Those who consume large doses of the drug on a regular basis are likely to have lower educational achievement and lower income, and may suffer physical damage to the airways. They also run a significant risk of becoming dependent upon continuing use of the drug. There is little evidence, however, that these adverse effects persist after drug use stops or that any direct cause and effect relationships are involved."

Source:
Iversen, Leslie L., PhD, FRS, "Long-Term Effects of Exposure to Cannabis," Current Opinion in Pharmacology, Feb. 2005, Vol. 5, No. 1, p. 71.

In any case, in a free country, it should be up to the individual, and not Big Brother to decide. Most recreational users have no problem. For those with problems, they should stick to Starbucks.


But for you to say that marijuana is worse than alcohol, indicates to me that you know nothing about this subject. If you check drugwarfacts.org they list the common causes of death in the U.S. in the year 2000. Alcohol is number three with 85,000 deaths. Marijuana is number fourteen with, you guessed it, ZERO!! Aspirin was thirteen with 7600 deaths! Maybe the government should ban aspirin!

Wow, alcohol 85,000 dead, marijuana ZERO. What kind of relatavistic scale are you using? And this doesn't begin to take into account the number of battered wives and children from angry, drunk husbands!
Iverson is a PhD, not an MD.Cup can find PhD that will attest that the earth is flat. Regardless, the "marijuana zero" is an urban myth. If your research is done right, you might say negligible, but not zero. If marijuana is zero it would not be the fourteenth leading cause of death. It would be somewhere after getting one's scarf stuck in an elevator. So, this is not research, only rhetoric. I am also opposed to wife battering, a bad comparison by the way. Gee is sitting around the basement, living off your retired mother and smoking pot all day long as bad as being a sociopathic multiple murderer? duh. But I guarentee that there are thousands of retired mothers who think that pot is distructive to life and relationships.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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#78
wow, that's interesting. :)
 
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greatkraw

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I can't find the site right now, but I cna continue looking. But they have tested wines that were found from back in that time era, and it is said that ours are MUCH higher.
you are kidding me - that actually proves nothing because the alcohol evaporates

we are dealing here with a well meaning Baptist dogma

we ought to as Yoseph because whatever they were doing then they will still be doing

I have been to a Passover Seder and they use vintage wine.
 
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Cako53

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you are kidding me - that actually proves nothing because the alcohol evaporates

we are dealing here with a well meaning Baptist dogma

we ought to as Yoseph because whatever they were doing then they will still be doing

I have been to a Passover Seder and they use vintage wine.
not sure if I don't understand your words, or if they are spelling mistakes but I have no clue what you were trying to say.