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K
This is all true but we must also not forget the second part of be angry and sin not that the word also says, "do not let the sun go down on your wrath."
This statement means do not hold on to that anger or hatred toward others, for you are to work it out and let it go as holding on to hatred or angry toward another is no longer warranted anger. For we are told not to hold things over on another, as Jesus says if you have something against another deal with it before you are brought before Him.
This statement means do not hold on to that anger or hatred toward others, for you are to work it out and let it go as holding on to hatred or angry toward another is no longer warranted anger. For we are told not to hold things over on another, as Jesus says if you have something against another deal with it before you are brought before Him.
K
That would be the failure of the system for and the one who murders fault, as his sins to do not fall on me any more than they would fall on you if that happened.
People have been taught by society how to misplace blame, as a persons sins are of no fault to anybody except themselves.
Sure I would be sadden that he did it again, but as long as I did my part as the Lord commanded to show love, mercy, and forgiveness all along through the whole process then I did how the Spirit has me live my life.
Again I am not against life time imprisonment for murderers, but at the same time we can not blame people who are against the death penalty for the flaws in the system. Nor should we side with a system that is prone to and does make mistakes by putting some innocent people in prison.
When standing before Christ the word of God says we will have to give account for the good and bad that we have done in our life. One thing I don't want the Lord to say to me is, "why did you not show love, mercy, and forgiveness to these people !!!"
People have been taught by society how to misplace blame, as a persons sins are of no fault to anybody except themselves.
Sure I would be sadden that he did it again, but as long as I did my part as the Lord commanded to show love, mercy, and forgiveness all along through the whole process then I did how the Spirit has me live my life.
Again I am not against life time imprisonment for murderers, but at the same time we can not blame people who are against the death penalty for the flaws in the system. Nor should we side with a system that is prone to and does make mistakes by putting some innocent people in prison.
When standing before Christ the word of God says we will have to give account for the good and bad that we have done in our life. One thing I don't want the Lord to say to me is, "why did you not show love, mercy, and forgiveness to these people !!!"
J
I agree, but things cannot always be worked out. Jesus gave the blueprint for attempted reconciliation here:
"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican." (Matthew 18:15-17)
Ultimately, I believe that all disputes will be resolved before the judgment seat of Christ and I believe that Jesus warned about the same here:
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing." (Matthew 5:21-26)
"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican." (Matthew 18:15-17)
Ultimately, I believe that all disputes will be resolved before the judgment seat of Christ and I believe that Jesus warned about the same here:
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing." (Matthew 5:21-26)
You really believe in your mind you are the exception to the rule....dude you are so full of pride you would disagree with me if I stated that the sky was blue and the clouds white....Not only have I spoke in prison, I have lawyer friends that coach their clients, I have pastor friends who preach in about 25 states and 6-8 countries that speak of their encounters in prison and my facts and statement are spot on regardless of your inability to acknowledge any truth that contradicts your erroneous mouthy statements!
G
You are a sneaky one. Here's the full text of my post:
"Can you explain their sameness? I know hate and murder are sins. But how else are they the same?
Hopefully you will respond before you carry out the instruction in verses 29 and 30! Of course there is verse 28 that might help you with your response. You've got a lot of plucking, casting, cutting, and revising to do today. And not just with your response."
So you not only pick verses up here and there and ignore their context, but you apply that same tactic when you respond to my posts. Now knock it off.
"Can you explain their sameness? I know hate and murder are sins. But how else are they the same?
Hopefully you will respond before you carry out the instruction in verses 29 and 30! Of course there is verse 28 that might help you with your response. You've got a lot of plucking, casting, cutting, and revising to do today. And not just with your response."
So you not only pick verses up here and there and ignore their context, but you apply that same tactic when you respond to my posts. Now knock it off.
G
Kenneth C,
Would you please address my response post #160. Oh, you had only addressed leaving out the forgiveness and the Genesis 9:6 portion.
Here's my post #160:
"You stated that you are opposed to the DP because of mercy, love, forgiveness.
But when we apply that mercy, love, and forgiveness to life in prison. You sing a different tune.
Ridiculous. Opposed to the death penalty because we are to forgive.
'Love and mercy requires protection for others as well, it can not be just one sided.'
Love, mercy, forgiveness, one sided?
Genesis 9:6 The Lord is for the death penalty in that verse. Yes He is. What is the basis of the DP according to the Lord?
Ken, who are we to forgive? When are we to forgive? Does our forgiving someone of murder make null and void the command in Genesis 9:6?
You assume keeping a murder alive on death row is an act of love toward the family of the murdered victim. Where did you come with that assumption?"
Would you please address my response post #160. Oh, you had only addressed leaving out the forgiveness and the Genesis 9:6 portion.
Here's my post #160:
"You stated that you are opposed to the DP because of mercy, love, forgiveness.
But when we apply that mercy, love, and forgiveness to life in prison. You sing a different tune.
Ridiculous. Opposed to the death penalty because we are to forgive.
'Love and mercy requires protection for others as well, it can not be just one sided.'
Love, mercy, forgiveness, one sided?
Genesis 9:6 The Lord is for the death penalty in that verse. Yes He is. What is the basis of the DP according to the Lord?
Ken, who are we to forgive? When are we to forgive? Does our forgiving someone of murder make null and void the command in Genesis 9:6?
You assume keeping a murder alive on death row is an act of love toward the family of the murdered victim. Where did you come with that assumption?"
K
I disagree with you when what you say does not align with the word as has been shown by me by the Holy Spirit, and I also disagree with you when you follow the lies that our lying media sources spread around to the public.
You say all these people you know, but I can do the exact same thing as I know many that would disagree with you and your group as well. So trying to make a contest of I have more supports then you do does not win a debate of prove a fact.
All it does it pit your opinions against another's.
Like I said I have done prison ministry for a few years now and I have seen a number who have truly confessed and changed their life around, so the slim to none is false.
Also remember this if people can't change and it is only slim to none of them changing, then would be saying nobody can be saved then. Because part of being born again means you change your life from the old sinful way you use to walk in to a new mind set to want to abstain from sinning and walk properly with the Lord.
K
So are my cited sources as I have lawyers, other ministers in prison ministry, judges, anger/sex/alcoholic class counselors, and ex-cons that are living a good productive life now.
When Jesus made that statement that many are called but few are chosen, and only few will find the path is in reference to the fact that they will hear the word but will not obey what it says in the faith to follow His teachings and commands.
Still when taken along with Revelation 7:9 that few that Jesus spoke on is still a great number of people that no man could number.
So who are we to stand in His place of judgment to determine who gets eternal life or not ???
That is not our call to condemn others and to place such judgments on others, therefore life and death matters are to be left up to the Lord.
When Jesus made that statement that many are called but few are chosen, and only few will find the path is in reference to the fact that they will hear the word but will not obey what it says in the faith to follow His teachings and commands.
Still when taken along with Revelation 7:9 that few that Jesus spoke on is still a great number of people that no man could number.
So who are we to stand in His place of judgment to determine who gets eternal life or not ???
That is not our call to condemn others and to place such judgments on others, therefore life and death matters are to be left up to the Lord.
B
Whoops... I'd say ya stepped in something. I am FOR the death penalty, I do NOT ascribe to political party and I DO stand well grounded in CHRISTIANITY to support my conviction. SO how about you take a minute and consider all the "stuff" you and I do agree on and reconsider the divisive comment you just made?
K
Well I can not speak for them as all I can do is stick to love, mercy, and forgiveness that the Lord said we are to show to "all" people, not just certain people.
As for forgiveness goes what does a victim need to be forgiven for, they did not commit the crime/sin they were the one the crime/sin was done to. Forgiveness is to sinful behavior not proper behavior !!!
Bringing up Republicans reminds of how we can not take and put everybody under the same boat, especially when it comes to standing for Christian values or not. Because I know some Republicans and Democrats both that don't stand for Christian values, but know just the opposite of some from both parties that do.
For instance through the 70's and 80"s the Republican party were branded with a trait of helping out the rich more and leaving the poor to suffer by making it harder to get by. Even Romney made stood for such things as giving the rich tax breaks but not the middle class which cost him the election.
Doing more for the rich and making it harder for the middle and lower classes to get by is not Christian values either.
As for forgiveness goes what does a victim need to be forgiven for, they did not commit the crime/sin they were the one the crime/sin was done to. Forgiveness is to sinful behavior not proper behavior !!!
Bringing up Republicans reminds of how we can not take and put everybody under the same boat, especially when it comes to standing for Christian values or not. Because I know some Republicans and Democrats both that don't stand for Christian values, but know just the opposite of some from both parties that do.
For instance through the 70's and 80"s the Republican party were branded with a trait of helping out the rich more and leaving the poor to suffer by making it harder to get by. Even Romney made stood for such things as giving the rich tax breaks but not the middle class which cost him the election.
Doing more for the rich and making it harder for the middle and lower classes to get by is not Christian values either.
P
In my opinion to have the death sentence is not common. It would have to be a severe crime to merit that.
If the crime fit the punishment then yes I would sign it.
God can do anything, he is the God of the impossible. Look at the thief on the cross for example. The Roman at the foot of the cross. Sadly some people become an infection to society, if they have a trail then they are competent, thinking of the victims has a lot to do with it also. It's a hard call but not for a moment would I consider me interfering with God's plan for that person.
If the crime fit the punishment then yes I would sign it.
God can do anything, he is the God of the impossible. Look at the thief on the cross for example. The Roman at the foot of the cross. Sadly some people become an infection to society, if they have a trail then they are competent, thinking of the victims has a lot to do with it also. It's a hard call but not for a moment would I consider me interfering with God's plan for that person.