Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

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this. totally this. Muslims have proven they are a danger to western society time and time again. it has been far past time for the western society to stand up and say no more, out with the invaders.
7th Century barbarians living in the 21st Century. What could go wrong?
 
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The problem with the argument, is when people say every expert, every government outlet, all the civil servants are lying.

You know people are brainwashed when this start happens. It is also where deep divisions start. At least to date violence has not yet broken out.

The majority of MP's who make our laws etc were for remaining in the EU. Now the country can choose to go extreme right wing, it can elect people who are nationalist, and only look for the interests of their people as they call it, but the UK will fall apart. Everything is now run by people from international backgrounds, in hospitals, civil servants, cities etc.

Only idiots are not able to see this reality. When I walk down my street there are people from all over the world.
When I go anywhere, all the racial groups, nationalities are represented. So this issue matters. And soverignty has already gone because of international trade and international trading standards, food hygiene, safety regulations, legal agreements, trading arrangements. It is bartering across boundaries etc. We are less members of a country, but rather a city or local community. To a degree I am as much a stranger going to the north of England as I am going to France.

So the real emotional issue is too many people coming to the UK. That is real, and everyone agrees it has to stop.
But the rest is just dangerous insanity.
The only thing that the idiots cannot see is the gap being created between the masses and technocrats who want to subjugate the population to globalism and a monetary system that will inevitably fail. Nation states are far better than one big one. People have identities and should be allowed to keep them. Globalism and the EU will never allow for that.
 
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The only thing that the idiots cannot see is the gap being created between the masses and technocrats who want to subjugate the population to globalism and a monetary system that will inevitably fail. Nation states are far better than one big one. People have identities and should be allowed to keep them. Globalism and the EU will never allow for that.
"subjugate the population to globalism and a monetary system"

This is a interesting idea. Globalisation has happened because it makes economic sense and the companies who have globalised have survived. And commercially that is what matters.

People can choose what they buy and why they buy. So there is no subjugation, globalisation exists because it works.
The same can be said for the monetary system. Do you have a bank account, a pension fund, a house for which you have a mortgage. Did anyone force you to participate or rather offer you the benefits which you freely agreed with and are part of.

This is not subjugation. If you have something better to offer, I am sure others will be glad to hear and be part of.

Now if you accept the points I make here, your statement about subjugation is simply not true.
This is why I wonder why you hold such a position as if it makes any sense at all.
 
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Let me be quite clear here.
Most of the educated people, young people, people in the cities with exposure to the modern world, different cultures voted for staying in Europe.

The elderly, retired 60 - 77+ age group voted to leave, uneducated, unskilled workers voted to leave from the rural and northern communities.
That is elitist propaganda, pure and simple. Those so called uneducated people you mention worked all their lives to support themselves, their families and their country, and without the fruits of their labor, the spoiled, entitle-minded youth would not even exist.
 
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"subjugate the population to globalism and a monetary system"

This is a interesting idea. Globalisation has happened because it makes economic sense and the companies who have globalised have survived. And commercially that is what matters.

People can choose what they buy and why they buy. So there is no subjugation, globalisation exists because it works.
The same can be said for the monetary system. Do you have a bank account, a pension fund, a house for which you have a mortgage. Did anyone force you to participate or rather offer you the benefits which you freely agreed with and are part of.

This is not subjugation. If you have something better to offer, I am sure others will be glad to hear and be part of.

Now if you accept the points I make here, your statement about subjugation is simply not true.
This is why I wonder why you hold such a position as if it makes any sense at all.
You really don't understand debt do you? You're a pretty smart guy....go read about it in the bible. Lol
 
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Daniel Hannan is another amazing politician who is often over looked and in my opnion I think he would make a better Prime Minister than Farage.

Here is his recent speech at the Oxford Union just before the vote.

[video=youtube;rJcuKfcxo9w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcuKfcxo9w[/video]
I saw this before the referendum - it helped me decide how I was going to vote.

Oh and I KNEW it would only be a matter of time before the "R" word was bandied about. Whenever one voices a concern over mass immigration or over-population the "R" card is played...it's becoming boring to be frank! I don't agree with everything Nigel Farage says but he has given people a voice and made it OK to to speak freely about concerns which is something that is gradually being eroded. The media has seized on a few isolated racist incidents which is totally opposite to what is the norm. We are and always have been a tolerant society - more tolerant than most actually.

Why did the over 40's largely vote leave? Because we are the ones who have seen the decline most starkly! We remember how it was pre EU - we know times have moved on since then and we wouldn't want to go back but we are sick of having been dictated to by faceless bureaucrats that frankly don't much care for us! We have seen our beloved nation gradually being taken from us before our very eyes and have looked on helpless as it happened. Our identity has been stolen by Europe and I for one am happy it's about to be returned to us. If this makes me racist then I'M RACIST! :mad:
 

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Just have to point out that if Farage fits your definition of fascist, you really must burn your dictionary and get a new one. The UKIP platform would make any real fascist regime cry were it implemented to the letter.

Now the BNP? You could call that fascist. Arguably. It actually fit the fascist economic paradigm when it existed.
 

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That is elitist propaganda, pure and simple. Those so called uneducated people you mention worked all their lives to support themselves, their families and their country, and without the fruits of their labor, the spoiled, entitle-minded youth would not even exist.
I'm out of reps for Utah but this is a bullseye.
 
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I'll handle that for you ;) He's a fine writer with good sense.
Actually there are a lot of mighty fine writers on this thread:
Miri
Agricola
Mispa
Utah
Crossnote and many more.

This is a great thread
 

Pilkington

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Let me be quite clear here.
Most of the educated people, young people, people in the cities with exposure to the modern world, different cultures voted for staying in Europe.

The elderly, retired 60 - 77+ age group voted to leave, uneducated, unskilled workers voted to leave from the rural and northern communities.

This division is dynamite and dangerous. It is driven by emotion and ignorance, with an image of what England used to think about itself and but is not any more.

This is not propoganda or lies.

And you cannot have a country back that never existed. It is this disconnect, when you realise what you identified with is not there and what exists is now a multi-cultural reality. I live in London, where over 50% of the people come from all over the world. So the reality is, the world has come to the UK. A long time ago, you could say London was English, it is not now. It is London. And it will continue to evolve and change.

What the referendum has shown is the rural communities have day dreamed into the world, and the world has left them behind. It is now a question of how long is going to take for them to accept this has happened, they can do nothing about it, and they need to learn quickly how to fit in and cope. At this current rate they are happy to tear the country apart and then claim it was not their fault. You need to wake up and realise, we are one planet, one community and we need to learn to work together and not fight wars.
You said most educated people voted to remain. There are 20 people on the post graduate course I am doing and most of those voted to leave, oh and most of the course are under 30 I am an oldy on my course. I just wonder if those graduates who voted to leave are quite about it.
 

Desdichado

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You said most educated people voted to remain. There are 20 people on the post graduate course I am doing and most of those voted to leave, oh and most of the course are under 30 I am an oldy on my course. I just wonder if those graduates who voted to leave are quite about it.
I can see why if they are stuck with the labels "racist" or "fascist."
 
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I'm off to bible study now - I can hardly wait to see this thread when I get home! ;) :p
 
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What can I say, there are those who would prefer to put their trust in God (who
are labelled racist).

There are those who would prefer to put their trust in the EU.

When the results of the vote were announced I felt that something spiritually lifted
off this country and I know other Christians who felt the same too.

We are accountable to God not the EU. I'm not saying the UK is a Godly nation,
we do need to pray that Godly leaders will be raised up and make a stand for what
is right. This is something we could never even hope to achieve while members of
the EU, as the EU legislation over rules that of all member states.

Ive seen first hand in my job as a civil servant, how EU legislation had crept into UK
legislation. That is why it will take at least two years to untangle ourselves.

Ps I'm not racist I'm mixed race myself. I go to a church with over 40 different
nationalities.

There is a right way to bring the nations together as one, serving God, worshipping
together, all equal before God neither Greek or Jew etc.

Then there is a wrong manipulative condescending, power hungry threatening way to bring the
nations together in the form of the EU. Where the only thing that matters is power, money,
greed and the false idea of us all been in it together. That is what communism was based on
but that failed as while everyone is suppose to be equal. There will always be some who are
more equal than others with money at the core of determining the hierarchy and power base.

Incidentally if you want to really see what a fully functioning multi national church looks
like all one before God. See the link below. But give me a moment first to post a
couple of pictures. :D



http://christianchat.com/testimonies/111548-god-has-provided-20-million-church.html
 

Pilkington

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We live in interesting times. Stephen Crabb, who is standing for leader of the Conservatives is a practising Christian. Although he voted for Remain, he appears to be an honourable man. He stands up for his convictions including voting against gay marriage. I believe he will do what he says and that he is prepared to take the UK out of EU he also said Immigration is a red line in the sand and so will not allow free movement. Whereas some of the others I wouldn't trust further than I could throw. Even if you don't agree with him or want him as the leader, I feel it would be worth praying for him as we need Christians in politics. He has also openly stated he believes in the power of prayer.

Can I also ask people to pray for the labour party. Politicians need to get a grip and remember they represent the electorate
 
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You know I found out only last week that both Prince William and Kate have
done the Alpha course, although I don't know where they stand spiritually.
Pray for them also.

I know the queen is a devout Christian, but prince Charles won't have anything to do
with Christianity.

Pray the next in King of England is Prince William pray for him to turn to God.
 

Desdichado

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We live in interesting times. Stephen Crabb, who is standing for leader of the Conservatives is a practising Christian. Although he voted for Remain, he appears to be an honourable man. He stands up for his convictions including voting against gay marriage. I believe he will do what he says and that he is prepared to take the UK out of EU he also said Immigration is a red line in the sand and so will not allow free movement. Whereas some of the others I wouldn't trust further than I could throw. Even if you don't agree with him or want him as the leader, I feel it would be worth praying for him as we need Christians in politics. He has also openly stated he believes in the power of prayer.

Can I also ask people to pray for the labour party. Politicians need to get a grip and remember they represent the electorate
Stephen Crabb sounds absolutely fantastic. I should read more about him.

It's truly terrible that I like British politicians more than their American counterparts at the moment. I like more reasons to be patriotic! Not fewer!