How did we get to the massacre in Las Vegas?

[mj007]

You don't speak for everyone on this thread. Neither do I think America is a backward nation. It's a very different nation, but I think it could be a more humble nation.

Is there anything you agree with, or are you all about overriding what people say? It's kind of proving the point I make, continue to do so if you want, but ask yourself, am I trying to counter yet another thing someone says that I don't agree with. How many guns do you own, just one? Ten?

It would just be nice to know, honestly, who would you be without your guns? Do you agree that they affect an owner psychologically? Yes of course you would be the same person, but who is that person inside, who is more caring and humble than they come across?

Do you ever think that because say someone English like me has no weapon, if we were talking you could just shoot me metaphorically that is? Not condoning that you are a violent person at all, but what happens in our mind is something different. This is what I mean by how guns give a sense of power that changes the human conscience and thought patterns.

It's a good thing that your opinion means less than nothing on this forum.

You have some serious issues that are evident every time you enter a discussion about the US. Your attitude simply reinforces the "why" of the American Revolution, and the exhilaration most of us feel when we realize just how close we were to being stuck with folks of your social mentality.

Yes, I realize you think we are a "backward" nation.... I suppose it's because we haven't evolved to the point of beating each other to the point of death over a soccer or fut'bol game.

 

[unobtrusive]

When I read what for example John tells us about the world, I do not think we can change the world to be more "Christian".

It can addopt some Christian kind of culture, habits, holidays... but it will not be in their hearts. Evil will stay in them. It will be the same situation like with OT Israel. Knowing, having information, having some habits, but totally depraved and evil. Even killing their God and Messiah.

Its quite common that nations knowing about real God are somehow more evil than others.

Even we must struggle with many evils in us, how much more the unsaved ones. How can we change that? Its on God.

If we pray for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, what are we forgetting to minister concerning His perfect government given to the sons of Jacob? Most churches that I ever attended preached adamantly against observing these instructions, using Christ as a "scapegoat" for rejection. Seems as if this attitude of "lawlessness" permeates the whole world these days, believers and non-believers alike. According to the Gospel, believers are to set the precedence.

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 28:19)

Have we been teaching it right or wrong?... is the rhetorical question.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Simply more influential? I don't think you realize, neither do I believe most Europeans are taught, just how powerful the U. S. has been for the past century.

Not only is your country free of Soviet domination almost exclusively because of American economic and military might, but it would VERY quickly fall to Russia should a vacuum be created by America's collapse.

Trillions of AMERICAN dollars have been spent on Global defense, MUCH of it defending Europe, over those yrs. Enabling much of the continent to spend almost nothing on defense in comparison, freeing up money for social programs and health care.

If America were to fall the world be overcome by evil and communism would very quickly become the order of the day with Russia and China dividing most of it, and dictators in South America and Africa having much freer reign to terrorize their citizenry.

Now this situation can and likely will change as history moves forward. But these are the facts as we speak.

So in a very real sense America IS restraining evil, obviously through blessings from the Lord. That's why when we see evil and leftism gaining so much ground here we worry about the WHOLE world situation.

I'm not American even though I am now living in the US, but as your immediate northern neighbor, I certainly understand and agree with what you are saying

I think too of the nations whose people are lied to by their governments (NK being one, China another) about the US and have no idea of the 'real' world

for that matter, I wonder how many Americans are aware of the naval bases, army bases etc, in Europe and other places

pull the plug on all of that, and WWIII is just around the corner

who knows...could be Armageddon

sometimes I think Americans have a little too much pride, but Canada could use more national pride on an individual level and stop looking to the Federal Government as their big grand daddy.

The world is in flux anyway and that is not likely to change. too late already

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I am struggling to find conclusive proof that this event actually happened. It all looks staged. Very staged.

I am struggling to believe that you would actually think like that

 

[unobtrusive]

Hm, no, it does not make sense to me... I am not sure what evil you think that America holds at bay. Mexico? (joking).

There were problems and wars before America, with America and also will be after America... its how life goes, God is the only one holding evil at a bay.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7)

 

[unobtrusive]

I think one of the Greatest deceptions is the American dream.. folks will realise that while they were sleeping much was going on around them.. the price of a slice of cake and eating it... we in Christ need to stop letting national pride blind us.. if we are One then our allegiance is to GOD and His Son unto the end... no tongue or flag should divide us.. for the Love and Power of GOD is Greater always and forever.

Amen sis!

Words of our leader..."WE will make America great again." No WE won't!!! It will happen if GOD makes us great according to His defined perfect government. Christians are to teach those principles therein.

 

[hornetguy]

You don't speak for everyone on this thread. Neither do I think America is a backward nation. It's a very different nation, but I think it could be a more humble nation.

Is there anything you agree with, or are you all about overriding what people say? It's kind of proving the point I make, continue to do so if you want, but ask yourself, am I trying to counter yet another thing someone says that I don't agree with. How many guns do you own, just one? Ten?

It would just be nice to know, honestly, who would you be without your guns? Do you agree that they affect an owner psychologically? Yes of course you would be the same person, but who is that person inside, who is more caring and humble than they come across?

Do you ever think that because say someone English like me has no weapon, if we were talking you could just shoot me metaphorically that is? Not condoning that you are a violent person at all, but what happens in our mind is something different. This is what I mean by how guns give a sense of power that changes the human conscience and thought patterns.

There are so many wrong assumptions, and truly insulting insinuations in your response that I really am not sure where to start...

American needs to be more "humble".... in what way? The US is arguably the greatest nation the world has seen. How would you suggest we become more humble? Give specifics.

The British empire is not really known for its "humility" either, by the way.

Is there anything I agree with? In what you said, no, not really. That is why I responded the way I did.... I disagree with just about everything you said.

How many guns do I own? How is that relevant to this discussion at all? I could own a hundred, or none, and it wouldn't change my opinion on this.

Who would I be without my guns? Me. Does owning a gun affect someone psychologically? I'm certain that it affects some people... some in a very positive way, and some in a negative way..... just like owning a certain brand of automobile, or a large home will affect people in different ways. What's your point?

Implying that I would "metaphorically" (?) shoot you if we were talking and I disagreed with you? Would you stab me? Would you hit me over the head with a cricket bat? Would you run me down with your car? This is one of the most paranoid and asinine comments I have heard in a long, long time.

Your thought processes are fairly disturbing to me.

I just don't understand the "subjugated" mentality, I suppose. Be a meek and obedient little bunny, and the government will take care of all your needs. That is a totally foreign concept to me, and to most Americans.

 

[unobtrusive]

Yeah, our citizenship and the right allegiance is in heaven.

Then why on earth (pun intended) are we taught to pray "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven"? (Matthew 6:10)

 

[trofimus]

The US is arguably the greatest nation the world has seen.

This style of thinking is quite similar to what Germans thought about them in 1938 and what Rome thought about itself before Germanic tribes came and destroyed it.

No nation is the greatest nation. Many nations are best in this or that, but never generally in everything.

 

[trofimus]

Then why on earth (pun intended) are we taught to pray "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven"? (Matthew 6:10)

Just because of that.

 

[trofimus]

The British empire is not really known for its "humility" either, by the way.

Yeah, no empire is. Whenever any political constitution got too powerful, it always run to be more and more evil.

Balance of roughly equal powers is what is needed, not hegemony of one or two.

 

[hornetguy]

Well where did the dream lead? Is the nation you abide not becoming a nightmare? Evil being pushed as good? We are witnessing where this dream leads.. and not only there but everywhere... you have D Trump as president.. and his opposition was the wife of a former president.. does this not look odd? Is there such thing as democracy.. or are you given the choice of blue or red and made to feel like you are involved? Yet there is one agenda that both blue and red must push..

Remember what the devil offered the Messiah in return for worship ? Let us not be deceived to think others have not accepted the offer...

I know where my allegiance is.. may GOD strengthen me.

The American Dream led to the US becoming the greatest nation on earth. The place where people in poverty have the freedom and opportunity to rise above that, and become as great as they choose to be.

A place where individuals can own property, and businesses without the threat of the government deciding on a whim to simply take them away.

A place where people are free to worship God any way they choose... freely, publicly, without persecution.

A place where the people get to choose who governs them.

There are so many facets to the Dream, that it would take a book to discuss them....

What we are seeing now, in our nation, is the perversion of the Dream.... things that have happened since the 1950's in this nation have undermined and changed the Dream from what it was meant to be. That needs to be corrected.

But this "nightmare" of a nation is still the nation that oppressed people from all over the world are DYING to get to. Why do other nations not have the flood of illegals trying to get in? Or the flood of LEGALS trying to get in?

Our nation is not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I've experienced in visiting other nations... "first world" nations, I still would not live anywhere else, at least not by choice.

And that is not a lack of humility speaking... that is simply looking at facts.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I wonder how many bullet you can put oN one GUN. He kill 60 people and wound 500 + is one person did ?

He had 23 guns in his hotel room.

 

[Jackson123]

I would love to hear you expound on this idea.. especially how the "American Dream" is such a deception?

American dream is earthly Prosperity like Indonesian dream. And every country in the world. But american Made It, while Indonesian still in dream. This killing prove that wealth not solve all problem. Teror can kill any body, rich and poor

Christian dream must be heavenly Prosperity

 

[loveme1]

The American Dream led to the US becoming the greatest nation on earth. The place where people in poverty have the freedom and opportunity to rise above that, and become as great as they choose to be.

A place where individuals can own property, and businesses without the threat of the government deciding on a whim to simply take them away.

A place where people are free to worship God any way they choose... freely, publicly, without persecution.

A place where the people get to choose who governs them.

There are so many facets to the Dream, that it would take a book to discuss them....

What we are seeing now, in our nation, is the perversion of the Dream.... things that have happened since the 1950's in this nation have undermined and changed the Dream from what it was meant to be. That needs to be corrected.

But this "nightmare" of a nation is still the nation that oppressed people from all over the world are DYING to get to. Why do other nations not have the flood of illegals trying to get in? Or the flood of LEGALS trying to get in?

Our nation is not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I've experienced in visiting other nations... "first world" nations, I still would not live anywhere else, at least not by choice.

And that is not a lack of humility speaking... that is simply looking at facts.

Erm.. england is full and flooded.. a big ole melting pot going on here too..

But you are deluded.. sorry but that flag is blinding you to the fact that it is going to turn around and bite you.. and us all.. for we were never meant to be driven by the lust of prosperity in this life..

Now times are changing and everything that comes to pass will prove the evil that comes upon us from disobedience..

 

[heartofdavid]

I am struggling to believe that you would actually think like that

The " dead" sandy hook massacre children were at the superbowl halftime show.

...and honored in front of the crowd. The parents of the "dead" children were laughing off camera.

About 100 houses had their mortgage paid in full surrounding the school. Free houses from the government to go along with the fake "massacre"

9 - 11 was done by the gov. The towers were taken down with thermite. You can see the molten steel with sparks pouring from the building.


Before the Las Vegas massacre. A " Hispanic couple" (Muslims?) were removed from the property telling revelers" you are all going to die"

 

[Grandpa]

I've noticed that since 9/11 there is a little more police presence and a little more watchfulness by authorities in places where big events are happening with lots of people.

Bad people come up with bad plans to kill and hurt lots of people. America just happens to give its people the freedom to pursue what it is that is in their hearts.

Unfortunately, not everyones heart has a purely good motive.

Freedom has to be given up in order to get "security" from govt. Most Americans are not ready to give up all their freedom so they can have the illusion of security. Because, if you really think about it, who will give you security from the ones in authority if they decide to start being the enemy?

Freedom and rights are important. Those that don't have them seem to resent those who do.

 

[NayborBear]

Hm, no, it does not make sense to me... I am not sure what evil you think that America holds at bay. Mexico? (joking).

There were problems and wars before America, with America and also will be after America... its how life goes, God is the only one holding evil at a bay.

I can't/won't argue that it is indeed God, that is holding "evil at a bay." (where is this bay you are referring to?...jkjkjk)

And, yes, there are other countries, that hold to liberty, and freedom (in Our Lord), and fight evil, just as (arguably, these days) America does.
And yes? There have been wars, and rumors of wars, for millennia. and yes? "Such is life", as the French would say.

Should America fall however? You would see evil governments fighting like dogs over a bone, in how speedily they can cause the rest of this planet to topple! Like so many domino's in a line!

Having said this, I can understand a mind set of a "people" of any particular country, in their thoughts that: "Yeah?!? What difference to a tax payer, like me, does it MATTER, "what/which/who's" "GOVERNMENT I pay taxes too?" Trust me, or not? IT MATTERS!

 

[prove-all]

the civil war - slavery- Americas fall
The Bible says there is no limit to the extent of evil in a man’s mind (Jer. 17:9).

Orlando Patterson noted in his 1982 book, Slavery and Social Death,

“Slavery has existed from the dawn of human history right down to the 20th century,
in the most primitive of human societies and in the most civilized. There is no region
on Earth that has not at some time harbored the institutions.”

Slavery—never mind what the most vocal leaders in the black community say—
is not distinctly American, or even Western. What is distinctly Western, as Dinesh
D’Souza pointed out in The End of Racism, is the abolition of slavery.

“The American founders articulated principles of equality and consent which formed
the basis for emancipation and the civil rights movement,” D’Souza wrote.

Of course, abolition came with a heavy price. Over 500,000 whites were killed during
the Civil War—about one for every six blacks who were emancipated. “In all the
literature condemning Western slavery,” D’Souza wrote,

slavery- a practice sanctioned by virtually all people for thousands of years
should be questioned, and eventually halted, by one. …U.S.A.

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The average American has never visited war-torn, disease-infested, poverty-stricken,
slave-trading regions in Southeast Asia, Central and South America or black Africa.

Our civil rights leaders built upon the Abolition of Slavery Act to liberate the
free world from the festering moral scab of trading in human beings

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Far from upholding the Constitution today, many leaders in the black community see
America’s foundational law as fundamentally racist. And instead of urging Americans
to unite as one so that we might “flourish together,” many black leaders are actively
inciting hatred and division.

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the global slavery index in 2016

"We estimate there are 40.3 million people in modern slavery"
https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/

Forms of Slavery today

Numerous sweatshops have been uncovered in many parts of the world.
Some of the individuals sold into sweatshops are lucky to earn pennies.

Many, after working inhuman hours, are given nothing but the sustenance they need
to be kept alive. Margo McCall, a newspaper editor in Denver, Colo., made these
penetrating comments in her article, “Is it World Trade or Slave Trade?”—

“Global capitalism is powerful and all-encompassing. The other day I checked the tags
on my clothes. My skirt was made in India, my T-shirt in Mexico and one of my under-
garments in Macau. I drink coffee from Colombia with sugar from who knows where.
I’m typing on a computer probably manufactured offshore bywomen who earn pennies an hour”

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As consumers in developed countries, we benefit from all sorts of special offers and
bargain prices. But what makes them so cheap to produce? If we knew all the ins and
outs, we would find some of the answers deeply disturbing.

here is just one country
North Korea believed to earn a fortune from forced labor overseas, U.N. says
U.N.: North Korea gets cash from forced labor overseas - CNN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQDLoOnkdI

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Sex Slaves “International sex trafficking is the new slavery. …

They are victims of the sex industry. They are targets of Sodom and Gomorrah
societies’ insatiable lust for pornography and promiscuous sex.

Generally, the victims of this type of racket are shamelessly deceived, lured by
promises of legitimate work, or they are coerced. They are then stripped of the
last vestiges of dignity and often raped and brutalized.

Women and children shipped in from abroad, however, are not the only ones put at risk
by this evil world of vice. “An estimated 400,000 children are victims of prostitution and
other forms of commercial sex in the United States. The vast majority of them are
Americans” (Economist, June 1 200?).

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Did we do away with slavery? Now America is so "inslaved to all kinds of sin".
Like the Sin of Idolatry- It’s more common than you may think.

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Commercial sexual exploitation of children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_sexual_exploitation_of_children

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) states that
roughly one out of every five girls and one out of every ten boys will be sexually
exploited or abused before they become of age.[4] UNICEF says that child sexual
exploitation is “one of the gravest infringements of rights that a child can endure.[3]”


the U.S. Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional major sections of l
egislation passed by Congress in a 1996 Child Pornography Prevention Act.

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Revelation 18:11-13 talks about the soon-coming Tribulation and how the merchants
will have become enriched by buying and selling “slaves, and souls of men.”

In 2 Timothy 3, it says people will be “lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.”
the everyday person who is "a slave of sin" of some kind

 

[Locutus]

Americans are more concerned with gay cakes than gun control.