Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
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Hmmmm...then the Roman Catholic Erasmus who wrote your version must have put the examples of primary and secondary causes in your King Jimmy. Dirty rascal!!! 
#corruptKJV #romancatholicconspiracy #justsayin'
#corruptKJV #romancatholicconspiracy #justsayin'
His behavior was somewhat bizarre by Augustinian standards. He refused to keep vigils, never hesitated to eat meat on Fridays, and though ordained, chose never to function as a priest. The Roman Church had captured his body, but quite apparently his mind and heart were still unfettered.
He is known to history as one of the most prolific writers of all times.
Erasmus was a constant and verbal opponent of the many excesses of his church. He berated the papacy, the priesthood and the over indulgences of the monks. He stated that the monks would not touch money, but that they were not so scrupulous concerning wine and women. He constantly attacked clerical concubinage and the cruelty with which the Roman Catholic Church dealt with so called "heretics." He is even credited with saving a man from the Inquisition.
One of his many writings consisted of a tract entitled "Against the Barbarians" which was directed against the overt wickedness of the Roman Catholic Church.
He was a constant critic of Pope Julius and the papal monarchy. He often compared the crusade leading Pope Julius to Julius Caesar. He is quoted as saying, "How truly is Julius playing the part of Julius." He also stated, "This monarchy of the Roman pontiff is the pest of Christendom." He advised the church to "get rid of the Roman See." When a scathing satire, in which Pope Julius was portrayed as going to Hell, written in anonymity was circulated, it was fairly common knowledge that its author was Erasmus.
He was offered a bishopric in hopes that it would silence his criticism. He rejected the bribe flat.
Erasmus published five editions of the New Testament in Greek. They were brought out successively in 1516, 1519, 1522, 1527 and 1535. His first two editions did not contain I John 5:7 although the reading had been found in many non-Greek texts dating back as early as 150 A.D. Erasmus desired to include the verse but knew the conflict that would rage if he did so without at least one Greek manuscript for authority. Following the publication of his second edition, which like his first consisted of both the Greek New Testament and his own Latin translation, he said that he would include I John 5:7 in his next edition if just one Greek manuscript could be found which contained it. Opponents of the reading today erringly charge that the two manuscripts found had been specially produced just to oblige Erasmus's request, but this charge has never been validated and was not held at the time of Erasmus's work.
The Roman Catholic Church criticized his works for his refusal to use Jerome's Latin translation, a translation that he said was inaccurate. He opposed Jerome's translation in two vital areas.
He detected that the Greek text had been corrupted as early as the fourth century. He knew that Jerome's translation had been based solely on the Alexandrian manuscript, Vaticanus, written itself early in the fourth century.
He also differed with Jerome on the translation of certain passages which were vital to the claimed authority of the Roman Catholic Church.
Jerome rendered Matthew 4:17 thus: "Do penance, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand."
Erasmus differed with: "Be penitent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Erasmus was also a staunch defender of both Mark 16:9-21 and John 8:1-12. Zeal which our modern day scholars cannot seem to find.
Possibly Erasmus's greatest gift to mankind was his attitude toward the common man. In the rigidly "classed" society in which he lived, he was an indefatigable advocate of putting the Scripture in the hands of the common man. While Jerome's Latin had been translated at the bidding of the Roman hierarchy, Erasmus translated his Latin with the express purpose of putting it into the hands of the common people of his day. A practice that the Roman Catholic Church knew could be dangerous to its plan to control the masses.
Erasmus is quoted as saying, "Do you think that the Scriptures are fit only for the perfumed?" "I venture to think that anyone who reads my translation at home will profit thereby." He boldly stated that he longed to see the Bible in the hands of "the farmer, the tailor, the traveler and the Turk." Later, to the astonishment of his upper classed colleagues, he added "the masons, the prostitutes and the pimps" to that declaration.
Knowing his desire to see the Bible in the hands of God's common people, it seems not so surprising that God was to use his Greek text for the basis of the English Bible that was translated with the common man in mind, the King James Bible.
It has been said that "Erasmus laid the egg that Luther hatched." There is probably far more truth to this statement than can be casually discerned. For the reformers were armed with Erasmus's Bible, his writings and his attitude of resistance to Roman Catholic intimidation. Of Luther he said, "I favor Luther as much as I can, even if my cause is everywhere linked with his." He wrote several letters on Luther's behalf, and wholeheartedly agreed with him that salvation was entirely by grace, not works.
He refused pressure by his Roman Catholic superiors to denounce Luther as a heretic. If Erasmus had turned the power of his pen on Luther, it would undoubtedly have caused far more damage than the powerless threats of the pope and his imps were able to do. As it is, only his disagreement with Luther's doctrine of predestination ever prompted him to criticize the Reformer with pen and ink.
Erasmus's greatest point of dissension with the Roman Church was over its doctrine of salvation through works and the tenets of the church.
He taught that salvation was a personal matter between the individual and God and was by faith alone. Of the Roman system of salvation he complained, "Aristotle is so in vogue that there is scarcely time in the churches to interpret the gospel." And what was "the gospel" to which Erasmus referred? We will let him speak for himself.
Yes, then went out to save them in time. Others see salvation as a reward for them choosing God. But Scripture is crystal clear on this; salvation is not determined by man's choosing. There are many passages that prove this, but those who reject this truth think if they quote a "whosoever" verse it negates this fact, or a verse in the OT that says "choose" as if it were a Gospel invitation when context denies this. That is really shallow thinking, not to mention wholly unbiblical.
I wish some would grow up in the faith and properly apply the "whosoever" verses instead of pitting them against Scripture that plainly denies salvation is via man's choice.
I wish some would grow up in the faith and properly apply the "whosoever" verses instead of pitting them against Scripture that plainly denies salvation is via man's choice.
"God-given" faith is not something separate from the Gospel. The Gospel is God's instrument for generating saving faith, and that is why it is called the "seed" of the New Birth.
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you. (1 Peter :23-25)
Of his own will begat he us with the Word of Truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18) [words capitalized where appropriate]
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you. (1 Peter :23-25)
Of his own will begat he us with the Word of Truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18) [words capitalized where appropriate]
Chose or knew?
If I can explain why I struggle with this.
My ancestry is Muslim.
Shocking childhood.
Will not go into it.
So I have two brothers and my mum.
I came to faith.
I heard the word and believed.
My two brothers have heard the word and do not believe.
They are as still mixed up as I was.
My mum very mixed up heard the word, not by going to church.
Only as a result of God restoring our relationship by me being like Jesus (please note I'm not boast here)
Muslim lady now a Christian.
I just don't get why God would cost choose me, my mum and not my brothers.
Yes he is sovereign.
But it breaks my heart they at the moment are not saved yet I am.
They are both so broken and hurt, they can't see the woods from the trees.
Just like I was.
I can't give up on them and won't.
Yet funnily enough I did that with my mum.
Now she is a believer.
Why did God choose me and not my brothers?
If I can explain why I struggle with this.
My ancestry is Muslim.
Shocking childhood.
Will not go into it.
So I have two brothers and my mum.
I came to faith.
I heard the word and believed.
My two brothers have heard the word and do not believe.
They are as still mixed up as I was.
My mum very mixed up heard the word, not by going to church.
Only as a result of God restoring our relationship by me being like Jesus (please note I'm not boast here)
Muslim lady now a Christian.
I just don't get why God would cost choose me, my mum and not my brothers.
Yes he is sovereign.
But it breaks my heart they at the moment are not saved yet I am.
They are both so broken and hurt, they can't see the woods from the trees.
Just like I was.
I can't give up on them and won't.
Yet funnily enough I did that with my mum.
Now she is a believer.
Why did God choose me and not my brothers?
It is true that God inhabits eternity. God inhabits all of eternity all the time. There is no part of eternity that God is not there.
God made Adam and then Eve. When Adam rebelled against God and took of the fruit of the tree of good and evil God was there. God passed death upon Adam and Eve and through them to all mankind as yet not created.
Man having the knowledge of good and evil is like God in his knowledge of good and evil.
Is man able to choose good? Jesus said that man could indeed choose good.
Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Man can and must choose. God is glorified that man should choose good over evil. It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. There is great rejoicing in heaven when a soul comes to the saving knowledge of Christ.
Sin brought forth death. The law made transgression personal. Christ saves the souls that turn from sin to Him. No soul is ever saved against it's will. Men will be cast into the lake of fire against their will for the day of redemption for them is past.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God made Adam and then Eve. When Adam rebelled against God and took of the fruit of the tree of good and evil God was there. God passed death upon Adam and Eve and through them to all mankind as yet not created.
Man having the knowledge of good and evil is like God in his knowledge of good and evil.
Is man able to choose good? Jesus said that man could indeed choose good.
Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Man can and must choose. God is glorified that man should choose good over evil. It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. There is great rejoicing in heaven when a soul comes to the saving knowledge of Christ.
Sin brought forth death. The law made transgression personal. Christ saves the souls that turn from sin to Him. No soul is ever saved against it's will. Men will be cast into the lake of fire against their will for the day of redemption for them is past.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Deuteronomy 30 " For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"
everything that we do, is our choice its part of being made in the image of God, he is free, we are free. you cannot be free without freedom to choose. when a child is molested and killed. you can rest assured this was done because the person chose to follow the evil in thier Heart and do it. it is not the will of God to Kill, steal and destroy. that is the will of satan.
God created us good, satan defiled us infiltrating our good minds with the knowledge of evil. when God said " when you eat of this fruit you will die" and satan said " you will not die, God Knows it will make you as gods"
eve chose to believe satan. she had the choice to trust God and Live, our listen to the guy telling her God had Lied and deceived them, she chose the lie, she conveyed it to adam, and He to Knowing what God said, chose to believe the Lie. God has not created puppets or robots, but children who live in the land ofthe free, and by choice choose what is far better, to Love God who has Loved us all along.
all creation serves beneath the Lord.....His will was to crown us who are beneath Him, the title of His children but we do not have a forcible Father, He raises His children One chooses to get thier inheritance early and waste it on sinful living, God deasnt send out troops to bind us and drag us Home, He has sent out a message to us " Come Home where you belong, all I have is yours , satan Lied i dont see you as an enemy, i am not wanting to condemn you, come Home and let me hug You and kiss you i dont care what youve done, i care that you come Home"
that true and everlasting message of Jesus Christs call to repentance, is our choice to accept or reject. man was created for free will, that we would Love God of that free will.
1) Anything you post is readily dismantled, yet you carry on in ignorance as if it never happened.
2) Erasmus? I don't "follow man." That's your accusation and retort when someone speaks of their position. See how lame it is? Maybe grow up and end that?
3) You've got to get beyond what Scripture says to what it means. You don't (and I say this constructively) possess much if any critical thinking skills concerning doctrine, Scripture, the Gospel, God &c yet you should.
4) Everything to you is black and white, which is how and why you come to Open Theistic conclusions on texts.
There is more, but that is enough. I say this in concern and as a brother.
2) Erasmus? I don't "follow man." That's your accusation and retort when someone speaks of their position. See how lame it is? Maybe grow up and end that?
3) You've got to get beyond what Scripture says to what it means. You don't (and I say this constructively) possess much if any critical thinking skills concerning doctrine, Scripture, the Gospel, God &c yet you should.
4) Everything to you is black and white, which is how and why you come to Open Theistic conclusions on texts.
There is more, but that is enough. I say this in concern and as a brother.
Being a missionary baptist, I have had the pleasure of speaking with a few missionaries. Granted, none witnessed this first handed, they said they had other missionaries tell them what you've been told.
I totally reject it. God speaks to us via His word. I don't believe these extra-biblical accounts at all.
I totally reject it. God speaks to us via His word. I don't believe these extra-biblical accounts at all.
The reason why I say I reject these extra-biblical accounts is because on another site, a member said he heard of accounts where the Christ personally showed up in remote areas where no missionaries had been, and a revival and reaping of many souls occurred. That's horrible to hold that as being even remotely true.