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That's where fellowship comes in.
We work together in building eachother up.
Everyone is going to have a weakness.
And those that are strong in Christ in the area of a weakness that is infirming a brother or sister is to help build them up.
This is known as building a fence on the roof.
Hence we confess our faults to one another.
Sometimes a fault may simply be a lack of communication with one another in Lovingkindness.
Something of the fruits of the Spirit i once shared with others about.
Is that not everyone is whole in all of them.
So if someone like myself who sometimes lacks in gentlness needs strength in gentleness.
I have learned to seek those who are stronger than myself with this fruit.
Nourishment is a part of obedience to the Holy Spirit.
We work together in building eachother up.
Everyone is going to have a weakness.
And those that are strong in Christ in the area of a weakness that is infirming a brother or sister is to help build them up.
This is known as building a fence on the roof.
Hence we confess our faults to one another.
Sometimes a fault may simply be a lack of communication with one another in Lovingkindness.
Something of the fruits of the Spirit i once shared with others about.
Is that not everyone is whole in all of them.
So if someone like myself who sometimes lacks in gentlness needs strength in gentleness.
I have learned to seek those who are stronger than myself with this fruit.
Nourishment is a part of obedience to the Holy Spirit.
That's not fair.
Women have are more gifted with gentlness than men.
Especially the good women I've met recently that were beyond thoughtful about a wretched man like myself.
I know with utmost certainty she heard the Holy Spirit that wonderfull day when visiting her home.
I was thirsty and she..
I was hungry and she..
And her Heart, Amazingly filled with such consideration.
Yes, there is no other fondness like a generous heart.
Men know more about water than some women give them credit for.
Women have are more gifted with gentlness than men.
Especially the good women I've met recently that were beyond thoughtful about a wretched man like myself.
I know with utmost certainty she heard the Holy Spirit that wonderfull day when visiting her home.
I was thirsty and she..
I was hungry and she..
And her Heart, Amazingly filled with such consideration.
Yes, there is no other fondness like a generous heart.
Men know more about water than some women give them credit for.
What is not fair in what I said? I've not understood you. No man can give another man increase in any virtue or fruit. This does not come from men but from the Spirit. What men can do for each other is build each other up in their trust of God, which will lead to an increase in virtue (gentleness, meekness, humility, longsuffering). You will have to explain what I have said that you think unfair.
Using a figure of speech, you seem to have put the cart before the horse!
After Faith Secures Eternity Remaining Obedient [most of the time] Follows
I don't see a ready acronym here
Phil 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV
After Faith Secures Eternity Remaining Obedient [most of the time] Follows
I don't see a ready acronym here
Phil 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV
funny......
I don't think the cart is before the horse......
Reason being is as I stated:
FIRST: One must be saved. A person can not live obedient to Christ without being saved. It is impossible to do so. Scriptures tell us that. I often say that the "first act of obedience" for a new believer is water baptism. Our life of obedience to Christ and His commandments begin with our new birth. That life is a fruit of our Salvation.
Saved by Grace through Faith gives us salvation and eternal life. We become heirs to the Promise and worthy of being called the children of the Living God. Living in obedience to Him "secures" that eternity. Paul spoke of "dying daily" "taking up his cross daily" because each day he dedicated himself to living in obedience to his calling and to the Commandments of Christ. He shows he was "secure" in his eternity (in my opinion) in his statement in the 4th Chapter of 2 Timothy.
Yes, it is the Holy Spirit that prepares us to do good works and to live in obedience, but we still must do it. This touches on "free will," and that is a whole 'nudder argument.
Thanks for your comment
Some thoughts from the Apostle Paul:
2 Timothy 3:14) But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and isprofitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1 Timothy 3:1) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3) Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7) Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8) Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9) Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10) And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11) Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13) For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
People ask what "works" is it they must do? Well, Paul lays it out fairly clearly here............receiving the precious gift of eternal life by Grace through Faith does NOT mean we can simply sit in a corner somewhere doing nothing.
There is WORK to be done for the Kingdom, and God has purposed all of His children according to His Will. Jesus said that the "harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.........."
People had better begin to understand what they were "purposed" to do, and, like Jesus told His parents, BE ABOUT THEIR FATHERS BUSINESS......
2 Timothy 3:14) But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and isprofitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1 Timothy 3:1) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3) Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7) Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8) Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9) Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10) And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11) Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13) For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
People ask what "works" is it they must do? Well, Paul lays it out fairly clearly here............receiving the precious gift of eternal life by Grace through Faith does NOT mean we can simply sit in a corner somewhere doing nothing.
There is WORK to be done for the Kingdom, and God has purposed all of His children according to His Will. Jesus said that the "harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.........."
People had better begin to understand what they were "purposed" to do, and, like Jesus told His parents, BE ABOUT THEIR FATHERS BUSINESS......
Peter certainly felt it was important to remind people to make every effort to secure their salvation.
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to secure your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 2 Peter 1:10-13
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Thats because the law was NOT given to show us how to be righteous, It was given to show us how UNRIGHTEOUS we are. And by this effect lead us to Christ.
It amazes me that even today, people look at the law and see themselves as righteous. The sins of the people in the past who thought this did not help them at all. as they make the same mistake.
It amazes me that even today, people look at the law and see themselves as righteous. The sins of the people in the past who thought this did not help them at all. as they make the same mistake.
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People sin because they are selfish, they are not working out their salvation, they are working out their flesh. They are self focused not god focused. And this represents us ANY MOMENT we are focused on self. not God or others NO MATTER what we are doing.
God did not replace the law of moses with another law..
God did not replace the law of moses with another law..
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Correct. This is why I explained that their objection comes not so much from what you stated as from what you didn't state. Not that you can say everything at once.
Oh the objection is much deeper than that sis.
The objection is that it does not matter if his context is law or not. He is still focused on works. they are no different than pharisees who pushed law. He is just pushing a different law. Not grace. He is focused on obedience (self) and not Love (others)
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Amen murder is still a sin
Sexual immorality is still a sin (physical or mental)
Coveting what others have is still a sin
etc etc,, And so is not being obedient to Gods commands no matter what they are (NT OR OT)
thats not the issue. the issue can we maintain our salvation by being obedient to these commands, and if we can, the question must be answered, How good is good enough.
Sexual immorality is still a sin (physical or mental)
Coveting what others have is still a sin
etc etc,, And so is not being obedient to Gods commands no matter what they are (NT OR OT)
thats not the issue. the issue can we maintain our salvation by being obedient to these commands, and if we can, the question must be answered, How good is good enough.
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funny......
I don't think the cart is before the horse......
Reason being is as I stated:
FIRST: One must be saved. A person can not live obedient to Christ without being saved. It is impossible to do so. Scriptures tell us that. I often say that the "first act of obedience" for a new believer is water baptism. Our life of obedience to Christ and His commandments begin with our new birth. That life is a fruit of our Salvation.
Saved by Grace through Faith gives us salvation and eternal life. We become heirs to the Promise and worthy of being called the children of the Living God. Living in obedience to Him "secures" that eternity. Paul spoke of "dying daily" "taking up his cross daily" because each day he dedicated himself to living in obedience to his calling and to the Commandments of Christ. He shows he was "secure" in his eternity (in my opinion) in his statement in the 4th Chapter of 2 Timothy.
Yes, it is the Holy Spirit that prepares us to do good works and to live in obedience, but we still must do it. This touches on "free will," and that is a whole 'nudder argument.
Thanks for your comment
We are saved by faith
This faith and salvation gives us the ability to be obedient,
this faith also gives us eternal life and all God promised
But if we are not good enough, we forfeit that salvation?
So was it really by faith at all? It sounds like faith is just a downpayment.