The New Heresies and Cultists

[Abiding]

Nope homogenizing is when you try to bring peace and unity to the truth and a nontruth, merely for peaces sake. really i have to go back to my original
question and come back to this to stay focused. If and i mean if there was any grief with you it was how you treated me in my very new forum experience
which i did get sucked into things more than id have expected. Was that me? nope it wasnt. You made comparisons as if it was. Thing is youve been here
for along time, i havnt.

Did i call anyone names? NO! Do I? nope! Did i like you telling me how you like to bear the fruits? nope! Do i go along with namecalling? nope! Are you unique
in wanting to Love? nope! Did you talk to me as if i was just more brutal than you and suggest i go learn what the fruit of the spirit was? yes! Did you make comparisons between us? Yes! But then i already asked you to stop it and that i take criticism from anyone as i will also from you. But then when the correct
actions appear i do expect the criticism to stop otherwise its just annoying.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Divination, Mysticism, and Spiritual Formation Radio Broadcasts

[or: how to listen to demons and think they are Jesus]

The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer
The Dangers of Spiritual Formation, Part 1
The Dangers of Spiritual Formation, Part 2
The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer
Christian Divination: The Dangers of Mysticism, Part 1
The Dangers of Divination, Part 1
The Dangers of Divination, Part 2

http://cicministry.org/radio_series.php?series=divination

ALL AUDIO - BOB DEWAAY - he came out of the movement

Many of the teachings you rail against here are not for spiritual babies

1 Corinthians 3:1-3
* And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as
unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
* I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were
not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
* For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying,
and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Hebrews 5:11-13
* Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered,
seeing ye are dull of hearing.
* For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that
one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of
God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong
meat.
* For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness:
for he is a babe.

FAT BABY

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3M6AZeQvVM[/video]

[Not a recommendation of Music or any Artist]

I know a man, maybe you know him, too.
You never can tell;
he might even be you.

He knelt at the altar,
and that was the end.
He's saved, and that's all that matters to him.

His spiritual tummy, it can't take too much.
One day a week, he gets a spiritual lunch.
On sunday, he puts on his spiritual best,
And gives his language a spiritual rest.

He's just a faaa... He's just a fat little baby!
Wa, wa, waaaaa....
He wants his bottle, and he don't mean maybe.

He sampled solid foods once or twice,
But he says doctrine leaves him cold as ice.
Ba, ba, ba, ba...ba, ba...ba, ba!

He's been baptized, sanctified, redeemed by the blood,
But his daily devotions are stuck in the mud.
He knows the books of the Bible and john 3:16.
He's got the biggest king james you've ever seen!

I've always wondered if he'll grow up someday.
He's momma's boy, and he likes it that way.
If you happen to see him, tell him I said,
"he'll never grow, if he never gets fed."

He's just a fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fa-at, fat...
Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fa-at, fat...
Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, faaaaat... ...baby...

Written By: STEVE MILLIKAN, ROD ROBINSON - Performed By: Amy Grant
MY GRANT - FAT BABY LYRICS AMY GRANT - FAT BABY LYRICS

 

[Abiding]

babies grow with adults, and always have. They pick it up at their level and grow. Whats over their head just doesnt
compute. In fact it just doesnt interest them, and they go off and play with the things they can deal with.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Divination, Mysticism, and Spiritual Formation Radio Broadcasts

[or: how to listen to demons and think they are Jesus]

The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer
The Dangers of Spiritual Formation, Part 1
The Dangers of Spiritual Formation, Part 2
The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer
Christian Divination: The Dangers of Mysticism, Part 1
The Dangers of Divination, Part 1
The Dangers of Divination, Part 2

http://cicministry.org/radio_series.php?series=divination

ALL AUDIO - BOB DEWAAY - he came out of the movement

FROM THE WEB SITE (I selected only two, as they had Names on them):

The Dangers of Spiritual Formation, Part 1
Presented by Bob DeWaay and Dick Kuffel - Broadcast Monday, May 16, 2011

Many Christian colleges are adopting a course of study called "Spiritual Formation" that
introduces students to "spiritual disciplines." We warn about the unbiblical nature of
these ascetic and mystical practices by critiquing Dallas Willard's teachings.
[mp3]cicministry.org/audio/radio/20110516_cic_radio-The_Dangers_of_Spiritual_Formation_Part_1.mp3[/mp3]MP3 (duration 00:28:17)


The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer
Presented by Bob DeWaay and Dick Kuffel - Broadcast Monday, April 9, 2007

In a DVD titled Be Still and Know that I am God, Beth Moore and other evangelicals like
Richard Foster promote a mystical approach to prayer and spirituality. We compare
Moore's interpretation of Exodus 33:7-11 with the true meaning of the text.
[mp3]cicministry.org/audio/radio/20070409_cic_radio.mp3[/mp3] MP3 (duration
00:30:18)

Having stated in my earlier post that such teachings first off are NOT FOR SPIRITUAL BABIES:

I will say generally -- NO TO BETH MOORE, Watch out for Richard Foster when he gets to
speaking LATIN or Catholic, elsewise, 90 percent of what he says is spiritual MEAT. Dallas
Willard I have only heard of via Richard Foster and the listening to the above MP3 Audio:

That said:

* Bob DeWaay is a preacher and sells books like many of the rest of them.

* Moses ain't the one -- The law came by Moses, But grace and truth came by Jesus --
THE WAY, a Priest forever on the ORDER of MELCHIZADEK.

* As to entering the 'tent of meeting' or for that matter 'the tabernacle', Jesus tore that
curtain and destroyed that temple, making way for all who are spiritually mature to enter
in. Beth Moore isn't offering anything other than the same gospel of Jesus, a call to
repentance and and offer to enter into a higher spiritual walk.

* No one is offering spiritual meat to babes still carnal and hardly
able to take spiritual milk

* First Graders are not taught Geometry, Trigonomety or Calculus,
they are taught to count on their fingers, later to add and subtract.

* Paul spoke clearly of his tribulations and suffering:
1 cor 4:9-12
For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death;
because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men.
We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are
strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor.
To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are
roughly treated, and are homeless;
and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are
persecuted, we endure; [NASB for simplicity]

* Beth Moore has a gospel to Blondes

* Richard Foster has a gospel to Californians

* I would that Mr. DeWaay would come to ChristianChat.com to discuss his teachings and
his lack of understanding (or denial) of context and audience.

* Again, these teachings are NOT to the spiritually blind or immature. They are to the
many people who live in a very worldly existance, who are now being called to salvation
by repentance from worldliness, materialism and the flesh. These people are setting an
example by their lifestyle and for those who may choose by their free will and
understanding to follow. There is no magic, no bonus points, no higher standing by
repenting, but some must set the example.

* After listening to these two audio segments, I would say it would be better to discuss
their contents and address the teachings related to them. People need to repent and
some people need to set an example and make a call to others (this requires any such
teacher to be the standard setter in such repentance).

* Giving up McDonald and Kentucky Chickens, salt, fat, sugar and cutting back on red
meats is both practical and healthful. Cutting out alcohol, cutting back on energy use,
being wise in resource utilization are all real world, important ways to repent. Much
government money is spent enriching and empowering the Medical Industrial Complex
and the meat markets and snack shacks of the world. To say nothing of the Swine and
Shellfish ...

* Much money, time and affection is spent on Idolatry that is BAAL and rises up the spirit
of Jezebel, we cannot ignore these things. Islam rises, Baptists join the Council on Foreign
Relations, become permissive and want a free lunch, it doesn't work that way. Preachers
and religions have accepted abortion, illegitimacy, divorce, remarriage, homosexuality
and women's ordination -- yes we need to call (some) to a higher calling, and all to
repentance.

* To teach against this call to repentance and to a new spiritual walk, is a Blasphemy of
the Holy Spirit -- UNFORGIVABLE!

* PRACTICAL REPENTANCE UNTO SALVATION
Link -->> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28385-practical-repentance-unto-salvation.html

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

babies grow with adults, and always have. They pick it up at their level and grow. Whats over their head just doesnt
compute. In fact it just doesnt interest them, and they go off and play with the things they can deal with.

That's the point -- Adults lead babies, and babies don't lead adults. Adults lead and teach,
not babies.

 

[NoahsMom]

That's the point -- Adults lead babies, and babies don't lead adults. Adults lead and teach,
not babies. this is awesome.

 

[Abiding]

love when threads start cause it's open hearted til it gets personal, calling people the most awful things, dogs, wolve,s from Satan, etc why bother trying. Yet this gets taken for "homogenizing" is what I think your implying.
Man, you just hit the nail on the head. ( not about the implying part, but all the rest, who cares whats implied.)

What i mean by homogenizing is trying to get light and darkness into unity. Or ignoring false doctrine and
just get along. That all of us are a big happy family. Although i believe in diversity to a point. And all of us
probably have some bad doctrine, or at least alot of growing to do.

What i call calling someone a dog or satan or unsaved and such is a grounds for banning.
Id say judging the doctrine is acceptable if it was labelled wisely.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Zone, do you believe that the New Apostolic Reformation is a cult? Their leadership holds massive meetings to pray against abortion and teaches the burning of idols or satanic materials. Do you see a problem with what they do or is it just the part about apostles and prophets you don't like?

 

[Abiding]

That's the point -- Adults lead babies, and babies don't lead adults. Adults lead and teach,
not babies.

Many of the teachings you rail against here are not for spiritual babies <----------i responded to this u wrote

 

[Ariel82]

What i mean by homogenizing is trying to get light and darkness into unity. Or ignoring false doctrine and
just get along. That all of us are a big happy family. Although i believe in diversity to a point. And all of us
probably have some bad doctrine, or at least alot of growing to do.

What i call calling someone a dog or satan or unsaved and such is a grounds for banning.
Id say judging the doctrine is acceptable if it was labelled wisely.

I think the word you are looking for is syncretism.

Syncretism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I heard a pastor use it the other day.

 

[follower_of_Yahushua]

Nice and this is so true. we even see this in here. we are mocked because we stand for truth. told we should be "loving" and accept all "christians" as they are. even if they do not teach truth.

this I do believe is the falling away spoken of in scripture!

The bible says to reject heretics, that they are subverted and condemned in sin. Definetly do not listen to their false teachings, all we can do is pray for them.

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

2Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Many of the teachings you rail against here are not for spiritual babies <----------i responded to this u wrote

SHEEP CONSPIRACY PIC

 

[VW]

All that this amounts to is a form of godliness that denies the power of God.

There are two ways to believe in Jesus. If anyone reads Paul's letters with an open mind and heart, they will see them. One is what I call the believing way of walking, that is, to believe with a self generated faith in what is written in the scriptures. The other is what I call the living way, in where one walks in the faith of Jesus Christ, having died to the flesh and to sin by being joined to Jesus in His death, to come alive in His resurrection.

One is a way of following which is dependent upon the power of the soul of the believer, while the other is dependent upon the power of God. Oddly enough, both lead to salvation, just as Jesus said, everyone who believes in Him will live, even if they die; and everyone who lives and believes in Him will never die.

However, one way has little power to witness to the lost and to the world of the glory of God, while the other is in fact a continuous witness to Jesus Christ, because it is based on and has its very existence in the life of Jesus Christ now, having no life of its own.

The falling away is the loss of any faith at all. It amounts to a belief which has no faith, but rather is just a confession and a hope, but lacks any grace at all, grace being the power of God in the life of the one believing. The simplest and most telling attribute of this false belief is the concept that salvation is for the supplicant alone, and has no other value than to get them saved. (We know that when we receive grace, we cannot express in words the need to worship our Savior, Jesus Christ. He becomes the goal of our heart and our life.) And we know those who labor among us, who are struggling with faith and hope, and we know those who have passed through death into life in Jesus Christ.

Abide in Jesus.

 

[Consumed]

To love thy name is a false doctrine unless they agree with you??? Shun people who don't?? Pharasitic attitude.

 

[Abiding]

I think the word you are looking for is syncretism.

Syncretism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I heard a pastor use it the other day.

way better word, this isnt a dairy is it

 

[zone]

All that this amounts to is a form of godliness that denies the power of God.

There are two ways to believe in Jesus. If anyone reads Paul's letters with an open mind and heart, they will see them. One is what I call the believing way of walking, that is, to believe with a self generated faith in what is written in the scriptures. The other is what I call the living way, in where one walks in the faith of Jesus Christ, having died to the flesh and to sin by being joined to Jesus in His death, to come alive in His resurrection.

One is a way of following which is dependent upon the power of the soul of the believer, while the other is dependent upon the power of God. Oddly enough, both lead to salvation, just as Jesus said, everyone who believes in Him will live, even if they die; and everyone who lives and believes in Him will never die.

However, one way has little power to witness to the lost and to the world of the glory of God, while the other is in fact a continuous witness to Jesus Christ, because it is based on and has its very existence in the life of Jesus Christ now, having no life of its own.

The falling away is the loss of any faith at all. It amounts to a belief which has no faith, but rather is just a confession and a hope, but lacks any grace at all, grace being the power of God in the life of the one believing. The simplest and most telling attribute of this false belief is the concept that salvation is for the supplicant alone, and has no other value than to get them saved. (We know that when we receive grace, we cannot express in words the need to worship our Savior, Jesus Christ. He becomes the goal of our heart and our life.) And we know those who labor among us, who are struggling with faith and hope, and we know those who have passed through death into life in Jesus Christ.

Abide in Jesus.

Isaiah 8:20
"To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

He opened my eyes in a vision, showing me my life as what I called a believer, as He saw it. It was not pretty.

He then showed me Jesus on the cross. This was my fault, that He had to be there. But even more, I was not able to stay crucified with Him. I had and have the tendency to walk after the flesh, the old life, unless God keeps me.

And then He showed me His love.

There are no words to explain after that.

In Christ,
vic

I am saying that if we think we can have all we need to know about God from the bible, then we are deceived and wrong. Yes, scripture is complete, and does not need anything at all added to it. But, please understand that the revelation of God in Jesus Christ is beyond anything one can hold in their hand. Yes, all scripture is inspired by God, is from His mouth. But ask John, who wrote some of the deepest secrets of God to every be written by inspiration, just how little he really knew of Jesus. Remember, John was the disciple whom Jesus loved, who laid his head on Jesus' breast.

No, we are not anywhere near to knowing all there is to know about God, and we will not find that knowledge in its completeness in the bible.

It is telling, very telling, that so few can see the truth of this, and become defensive when any perceived attack on the bible is even imagined to be taking place.

Think and pray about that.

Van Morrison - Into The Mystic

Jul 30, 2010 | 6:51 mins | View video on youtube.com

I tell you all plainly; that you have not come close to pleasing God. Neither have I, but not because I have stayed away from Him. I am not pleasing to Him because I am a sinner, remain a sinner even after knowing Him, after meeting Him. But I want to know Him, more than anything.

Eternal life is knowing God, the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom He sent.

It is up to us to reciprocate. God has made the first move. He gave His Son in order that we might be reconciled back to Him.

Ephesians 2
By Grace Through Faith
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience&#8212; 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ&#8212;by grace you have been saved&#8212; 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

John 17:4
I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, &#8220;It is finished,&#8221; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

 

[NoahsMom]

What i call calling someone a dog or satan or unsaved and such is a grounds for banning.
Id say judging the doctrine is acceptable if it was labelled wisely.Couldnt agree more. when one sinks to the lows as to call someone a dog, well, they need to go.

 

[zone]

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=92510164311

The Mystery of Contemplative Prayer

Mike Hoggard

The fastest growing source of Satan's influence into fundamental and evangelical churches in America is a new age, yoga-like meditation called Contemplative Prayer. Those who practice it say they hear the voice of God inside them. But is it God's voice, or the voice of a familiar spirit?

In this video presentation, Pastor Michael Hoggard examines the roots of this practice and follows the trail to the Vatican and beyond. Since the trail ultimately traces back to the Roman Catholic Church, then you must understand the deeply Satanic power behind this Mystical practice. Literally, those who practice Contemplative Prayer are being led by the spirit of Antichrist, and are being used to facilitate the rise of the Beast in the last days.

____________________


Mike Hoggard covers every issue that's dealt with here on a daily basis.
once again, i'm a little stumped that i've worked to discover all this piece by piece over a long period of time (and agree with almost all of it), yet here is one of the most concise, precise lectures on what this is. though he rightly tracks some of this back to Rome,

HE STOPS THERE.

in fact, it goes back much further than Rome, and has been injected into Christianity by certain men of old - (listen for when he discusses the publishing houses).

i urge you to listen to this lecture.

but keep your heads up because this is indeed coming from The Mystery Babylon The GREAT, who is NOT ROME.

The Orthodox Nationalist: Khazaria

July 28, 2011

Matt Johnson discusses:

• The Khazar empire;
• Khazaria and the Talmud;
• Khazar economy based on slavery;
• The reason the Khazars converted to Talmudism;
• The reasons for the fall of Khazaria;
• Khazaria and Anti-Christ.

13 MB / 32 kbps mono / 0 hour 56 min.

Contact Matt: fr_raphael

yahoo.com
Visit Matt’s VoR program page, for books, essays and articles.

The Orthodox Nationalist: Khazaria : Voice of Reason Broadcast Network

and that's all i have to say about that.

 

[zone]

Zone, do you believe that the New Apostolic Reformation is a cult?

absolutely without question.
worse than that...we are witnessing the emergence of the black societies and their sorceries coming into the christian church: right on cue.

1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.

 

[SantoSubito]

Zone, do you believe that the New Apostolic Reformation is a cult? Their leadership holds massive meetings to pray against abortion and teaches the burning of idols or satanic materials. Do you see a problem with what they do or is it just the part about apostles and prophets you don't like?

Pentecostals that if given the chance would tear all the statues out of my church and burn them? Count me out.