Jews & Gentiles

[homwardbound]

I mean that Cain was not son of God as Adam was. But Abel was. Therefore the posterity of Cain cannot be blessed by God.

Having Cain and Abel was after the fall not before the fall of Adam and Eve. The Devil got to Cain and got Cain to believe the thoughts that The devil put into his head Cain took them as his own and killed Abel, for the Devil was concerned about the prophesy that God made about the coming of Christ. Now notice God still had Mercy and has had Mercy from day one please see and be thankful for we all are underserving of this amazing Mercy completely and finally supplied through and by the cross of Christ

 

[crosspreacher]

That didn't answer my question.
Let's try it this way. Are Christian Zionists just as likely to be of the seed of Able as Christian anti-Zionists?

I think there is only one kind of Christian and a true Christian is of God. Abel was of God but not Cain.

 

[crosspreacher]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can this be when the whole wrold was flooded in the days of Noah. All that lived were Noah his three sons and their wifes hMMM!!!! so we all are descendants fro Adam and Eve period

Yes, God permitted it to passed through Noah's daughter-in-law.

 

[crosspreacher]

You didn't answer the last question I asked. Maybe you have been out for a couple hours, but I would appreciate an answer. In the following I am hoping to at least inspire that first spark of cognitive dissonance, as I am concerned about your spiritual well being, my friend.

First in regard to predestination, the God I serve says:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But He can, perhaps, loose patience with those who receive no love of truth.
Perhaps you believe God created people in a manner, so that some would have a genetic propensity toward having a tougher time of coming into repentance, than others. I don't believe such a view would be consistent with the verse I just quoted.

Now regarding the verse that you ignored, for obvious reasons, and the purpose of this post:

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Now Moses was inspired to write inform us that Adam was sexually united with Eve, and that she conceived, and that the child that resulted from that union was Cain. On top of that, it also indicates that Eve had "gotten a man from the LORD".

Would you please exegete that verse for us, in the way that you understand it.

God put the law of reproduction in the nature. Even if the greatest sinner in the world conceives, it is from God.
"What if God if God , wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with longsuffering the vessel of wrath prepared for destruction and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" Romans 9 vs 22

 

[zone]

Now being Ashkenazi, they can trace their ancestry back to Canaan and Palestine pretty much. But I wouldn't really get into that if I were you it would confuse you since you don't know much about the tanach OT.

oh please do get into it.
and prove you assertions.
no confusion from me.
let's see how you do.

go for it.

 

[zone]

That didn't answer my question.
Let's try it this way. Are Christian Zionists just as likely to be of the seed of Able as Christian anti-Zionists?

stop with the sleight-of-hand.
you've already divided jews and gentiles into 2 Trees (fantasy).
move on.

 

[zone]

Although people could join the Jews, people not of that race weren’t easily accepted until Christ was crucified. If they were accepted they became known as Jews. After that time God had men go out to recruit gentiles. Then it REALLY gets complicated. God said they could believe in the One True God through Christ and not need to be Jews like it they had decided before. People are still fighting about it.

what nonsense.
the Bible is Christian from start to Finish.
what REALLY complicated.

what don't you get about ONE PEOPLE (neither jew nor gentile)?

 

[zone]

I was of that impression to. But I have also learned that Jews were a heavily proselytizing faith up until a Roman ruler prohibited it in the 2nd century AD. Perhaps just as God arranged to have the temple torn down by Romans - every stone just as Jesus prophesied - He perhaps arranged to end proselytizing into Judaism, as suggested by the actual parable of the fig tree withering and producing no fruit.
Yet it would seem God still preserved them as a group, and restored them to their land - even in unbelief - for the sake of His holy name. Fulfilling what is usually recognized as the "parable of the fig tree" when the fig tree puts on leaves.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel.html

For folks with eyes willing to see, Daniel pinned the years of the return of control of Israel by Jews in 1948, and their control of Jerusalem in 1967 - mathematically - in two parallel problems that span 2500 years.

RUBBISH
endless amounts of it

 

[zone]

And this whole theology is wiped out by the flood, Noah was in the lineage of Adam and his three Sons were in the lineage of Noah, So today no matter what exactly happened back then is and has been wiped out, The bond and free woman allegory is shown after the flood and through Abraham, oh an the Nephilim that was therer in the day was also wiped out

HA?
the allegory of Free and bond is Old and New Covenant.
believers in CHRIST and rejecters of Christ.

JUST READ IT.

 

[zone]

Yes, God permitted it to passed through Noah's daughter-in-law.

STOP YOUR RACIST HERETICAL JUNK



Branhamism/William Branham


I. Profile Report

Name: Branhamism/The Message

Founder: William Marion Branham

Date of Birth/Death: April 6, 1909 - December 24, 1965

Birth Place: Burksville, Kentucky

Year Found: May 1946

Brief History: William Branham had been hearing voices since he was seven years old. Finally, in May of 1946, Branham was commissioned by an angel from God to be the forerunner of the Second Coming of Christ. He was given two gifts: healing and the word of knowledge. His healing ministry was started.

Sacred Text: The Bible

Cult or Sect: Branhamism is a sect for it split from the Pentecostal Movement in the late 1950s when Branham began preaching strange doctrines.

Beliefs: The followers of William Branham believe that he is a prophet sent from God and that we are living in the Age of Laodicea or the final church age. God revealed his word through William Branham (called Brother Branham), Brother Branham is the Voice of God to we who are living in the end-time. The beliefs of the "Branhamites" center around the teachings and revelations of William Branham, especially "The Revelation of the Seven Seals" and "The Seven Church Ages" (these texts can be accessed at Voice Of God Recordings). They do not believe in the Trinity and feel that the denominations do not have the full revelation of Jesus Christ. One of the more radical beliefs of the group is that of Serpent Seed which states that the first sin committed occurred when Eve engaged in sexual activities with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden thus causing "the fall of man."

Size of Group: Unknown

Remarks: William Branham's credibility (in the eyes of his followers) comes from his miraculous healing ministry and his visions. Despite the fact that Branham is supposed to be the voice of God, he falsely predicted the end of the world to occur in 1977. He stressed that this was a "prediction" and not a "prophecy," however, he never explained the difference between the two terms. Followers of Branham do not view his failure as a sign of his failure as a prophet. They feel that Branham was not speaking the words of God, but his own. Since man is fallible and Branham was a man, his failure does not merit grounds for disbelief of his mission from God. Branham claims that the angel which commissioned him was present with him for his entire life and his followers claim that he fulfills the Biblical prophecy of Malachi 4, 5 and 6 and Revelation 10:7

William Branham - Branhamism < click

 

[Meshullam]

Basically, for the OP, 'Jews' and 'gentiles', back in Jesus' day, were different sects of religion as well as people who traced their heritage through a certain lineage.

But today, it's almost impossible to trace that and the religious 'groups' as they used to be are gone. Jesus and the apostles wanted to unify people with Jesus' teaching.

'there is nether Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free, nor is their male or female, for all are one under Jesus'.

As religious mindsets go, generally, those of 'Israel' are one's who 'strive toward God', rather than the old 'Jacob', which means 'supplanter'. And Esau was the one who 'gave up his birthright'. When they were born, 'Jacob' came out of the womb holding Esau's heel. That's how their name's came about.

But God made covenants with both Israel and with Ishmael you have to remember that.

So anyone who strives with God could be called 'Israel' in a manner of speaking, and it's also the muslim meaning of 'jihad', which is not what most people think; it's actually a word that means something like 'searches for God's true form'.

It's a personal thing.

Ishmael means 'the rejected, or 'outcast'.

God made covenants with both the 'rejected' and the one who 'strives with God'.

 

[wdeaton65]

I dont want to fight Please explain to me how any of the zionist or anybody for that matter could prove they are JEWS????? GOD, YHWH, YESHUA, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT,RAUCH QODESH what ever language you want to use DESTROYED THE TEMPLE to make sure we dont have this problem. Tell me how anyone can prove this blood line I would really honestly like to know thank you and I have asked this in other threads still no answer. ZONE has done all the leg work here none of you are giving any answers to her scriptures none of you. Perhaps some of you are better enlighten than Paul Gal 3;28 How can you over look this how is it possible please show me Thank you William

 

[zone]

I dont want to fight Please explain to me how any of the zionist or anybody for that matter could prove they are JEWS????? GOD, YHWH, YESHUA, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT,RAUCH QODESH what ever language you want to use DESTROYED THE TEMPLE to make sure we dont have this problem. Tell me how anyone can prove this blood line I would really honestly like to know thank you and I have asked this in other threads still no answer. ZONE has done all the leg work here none of you are giving any answers to her scriptures none of you. Perhaps some of you are better enlighten than Paul Gal 3;28 How can you over look this how is it possible please show me Thank you William

ty wdeaton. i really appreciate the support.

they can't prove it.
no one can.

i've been posting the same thing for years....the facts are out there for anyone.
but American evangelicals have been assaulted by a false teaching so insidious, they never saw it coming.
still....don't confuse anyone with facts.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont want to fight Please explain to me how any of the zionist or anybody for that matter could prove they are JEWS????? GOD, YHWH, YESHUA, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT,RAUCH QODESH what ever language you want to use DESTROYED THE TEMPLE to make sure we dont have this problem. Tell me how anyone can prove this blood line I would really honestly like to know thank you and I have asked this in other threads still no answer. ZONE has done all the leg work here none of you are giving any answers to her scriptures none of you. Perhaps some of you are better enlighten than Paul Gal 3;28 How can you over look this how is it possible please show me Thank you William

Well lets see.

I could do like Zone did and do an internet search of anything which would support that they are jews.. And then post them all over here, claiming it is truth, but then all we would have is one idea vs another. non of which can be proven (can anything found on the internet really be trusted?)

or I could turn to the word of God and read things like God promised he would never destroy that seed, but he would preserve it as long as their is life on this earth, even when they were in sin and dispersed all over the world. and then I could just trust him to KEEP HIS PROMISE.

Does this prove they are jews in Israel? No? Does it prove the race still exists? Well unless God lied. We must trust him that they do.

so lets stick to the word of God. and get off these conspiracy theories that do NOTHING to spread the gospel of Christ. and focus on spreading that same gospel to Zionists. Islamist's, Jews, Palestinians. And the rest of the world.. what ya say??

wouldn't that be better??

 

[wdeaton65]

I can only ask you to please show me in the scripture where there is two 1st comings 2 resurrections Daniel 12 1 playing out twice. Another thing they all ready looked upon HIM who they pierced all the tribes were there that is why Saul new he was from Benjamin and John new he was from Aron a Levite The seed you are talking about is Yeshua the single seed = zreah resh ayin or zra not zraim This is what the promise seed is I have the Torah barasheet =genesis right in front of me When Yeshua says it is finished it is finished without being mean do you understand what you are saying when you say there is this group of people zionist jews whoever that are special. I have listen to the John Hagees and countless others who cant even read hebrew and take everybodys money and steal others hard work 4 blood moons look it up. Please look up were zionism comes from better yet show me in the scriptures. thank you ps ZONE dosent just google piont and click. she has studied very hard I can see that in her coments. One last thing do you know how most of the scriptures came to be? Do you think that Isa. Jer. Eze. ect. wrote down the scriptures and just drop them off in a tsadiq box how do you think they came about and no googleing LOL. You would not want to do what you say ZONE does right. This is fun your are to have a good time when studying the WORD of GOD right.

 

[weakness]

Acts 17: 25&26 .Neither is worshiped with Men's hands,as though he needed anything,Seeing he giveth to all life,and breath ,and all things.And hath made of ONE BLOOD all nations of men to dwell on the face of the earth, And hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.

 

[zone]

I can only ask you to please show me in the scripture where there is two 1st comings 2 resurrections Daniel 12 1 playing out twice. Another thing they all ready looked upon HIM who they pierced all the tribes were there that is why Saul new he was from Benjamin and John new he was from Aron a Levite The seed you are talking about is Yeshua the single seed = zreah resh ayin or zra not zraim This is what the promise seed is I have the Torah barasheet =genesis right in front of me When Yeshua says it is finished it is finished without being mean do you understand what you are saying when you say there is this group of people zionist jews whoever that are special. I have listen to the John Hagees and countless others who cant even read hebrew and take everybodys money and steal others hard work 4 blood moons look it up. Please look up were zionism comes from better yet show me in the scriptures. thank you ps ZONE dosent just google piont and click. she has studied very hard I can see that in her coments. One last thing do you know how most of the scriptures came to be? Do you think that Isa. Jer. Eze. ect. wrote down the scriptures and just drop them off in a tsadiq box how do you think they came about and no googleing LOL. You would not want to do what you say ZONE does right. This is fun your are to have a good time when studying the WORD of GOD right.

it doesn't matter how many times this is posted, it just gets buried.


Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.


if they even checked the LXX they'd see it.
but they can't....because they'd have to repent.
and that's hard on the ego.

thanks though wdeaton.
of course we share the love for Our Lord and King Yeshua and the scriptures.....but i think we have quite a few other things in common as well
zone

 

[PS]

Children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.

Luke 19:9 Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham.

John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what Abraham did. (Meaning, although they were Jews they were not the children of Abraham spiritually.)

Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

Galatians 3:9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

 

[tribesman]

Where's her cat???

 

[PeteWaldo]

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Now Moses was inspired to inform us that Adam was sexually united with Eve, and that she conceived, and that the child that resulted from that union was Cain. On top of that, it also indicates that Eve had "gotten a man from the LORD".

Would you please exegete that verse for us, in the way that you understand it.

God put the law of reproduction in the nature. Even if the greatest sinner in the world conceives, it is from God.
"What if God if God , wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with longsuffering the vessel of wrath prepared for destruction and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" Romans 9 vs 22

Maybe I didn't bold enough font before. You failed to reply to my request altogether. I bolded and enlarged my request this time. Do you understand that the reason you have to dither on avoiding the truth is because your doctrine comes from the enemy. Instead of obfuscating this time please exegete that verse for us. Do you believe that God, through Moses, and Eve were lying?