But it's all a moot point folks, either you are saved or not. That's between you and
God. People seem to bring sin into this subject that's why I raised it.
Can anyone else see the futility of this subject.
Its a pity that a useless subject takes up so much time and
on a Christian website. Read the first post to get this into context.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
If a person confesses Christ,and believes He is Lord,and come in flesh,and the Son of God,they can only do that if God is working in their life.
So it does not matter if they believe OSAS,or not,if they believe these things God is working in their life,which there are people that do not believe OSAS,but believe these things so God is working in their life.
So if OSAS says they are chosen,and can never fall,then these people that do not believe OSAS must of been chosen too,for God would not be working in their life if they were not chosen.
And they cannot go against them if they do not believe OSAS because sin does not affect their relationship with God.
So why the debating if they confess Jesus,He is Lord and Savior,come in flesh,and the Son of God,for they can only do that if God is working in their life.
The people that do not believe OSAS could still debate,but the people that believe OSAS would have to be quiet,for God is working in their life if they believe those things.
The answer is the scripture,for many are called,but few chosen,which means God calls and chooses people on earth.
Which is why not all who say Lord will be saved.
If God chose in the beginning,then why is He calling people that have no chance to be chosen,so it is obvious we have a choice.
Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,future event.
The prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,future event.
God had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world,but it was a future event to all those who choose that salvation,so it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for God wants all people to repent,come to the acknowledgement of the truth,and be saved,and the Spirit and bride,say,Come,and anybody can have that salvation,and Jesus lights every person that is born in to this world,which means the light of Jesus is available to all people for a chance at salvation.
No one says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,so the OSAS has nowhere to debate,for if people that do not believe OSAS believes Jesus is Lord,then God is working in their life,so they must of also been chosen,but the people that do not believe OSAS can speak all day for many are called,but few are chosen.
The people that believe Jesus is Lord,but do not believe in OSAS,the OSAS would have to leave them alone,for no one says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost.
The OSAS do not have a leg to stand on,but ther belief is according to the flesh,so they do not have to worry about failings,and can lack works,hold unto sin,enjoy the things of the world,have time for themselves to do what they want according to the course of the world,the prosperity Gospel,but believe they are still alright with God.
It is a believe to enjoy the world,and do what they want to do,but still be right with God.