I am both a Christian and a Muslim.

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I do agree but people just calling her a troll or saying it's against the rules to talk about things like that it just up sets me we should be trying to help her not show her the ugly face the world calls Christianity.
I agree. I simply posted in response to the OP without being bogged down by all the rhetoric.
 
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I agree. I simply posted in response to the OP without being bogged down by all the rhetoric.
Well I like how you gave bible backup posts it's just I'd it upsets me to see people how call themselves Christians but do they act like it? And I am not saying eeveryone but there is a.lot.
 
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I find this interesting Tani.
if you love God with all your heart and love your neighbour doesn't the laws and prophets hang on these 2 fundamental rules?
these greatest commandments lead you into a relationship with God.
if you have a relationship with God your all good... Don't think it matters about this Adam thing you got going on does it?
Is it still all good if you hang on a teaching of a false prophet?
 

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There is a verse written in the Bible that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light, no one comes to the Father unless he first accepts the Son. Now if we believe that God is the godhead 3-in-1, the Father, the Spirit, and the Son, then Muhammad cannot fit in there. Islam and Christianity contradict eachother, especially in regards to God's people who are the Hebrews. It is the seed of Isaac, not Ishmael
 
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There is a verse written in the Bible that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light, no one comes to the Father unless he first accepts the Son. Now if we believe that God is the godhead 3-in-1, the Father, the Spirit, and the Son, then Muhammad cannot fit in there. Islam and Christianity contradict eachother, especially in regards to God's people who are the Hebrews. It is the seed of Isaac, not Ishmael
Amin, He is the Way (Al-Tareeq), the Truth (Al-Haq) and the Life (Al-Hayat). Even Ishmael was not the father of arabs (nor muhammad). Ishmael was either Aram people (from Abraham) or Egypt/Midian people (from Hagar). None of whom are arabs (Old Egypt are not arabs, Muhammad's army came to egypt a century after muhammad's propethood to invade).
 
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Is it still all good if you hang on a teaching of a false prophet?
I believe so, we as humans don't have all the answers. There are constant discussions over different interpretations of the bible. I believe we get caught up too much into it when at the core a relationship with the Lord is where it needs to be at.
It is so easy to see how the 2 greatest commandments sum up everything.
 
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let this thread die..the OP is a previously banned member and is a troll..
You have such a beautiful spirit. I am most certain God is going to reward you
very soon for that which you so rightly deserve.
 
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I believe so, we as humans don't have all the answers. There are constant discussions over different interpretations of the bible. I believe we get caught up too much into it when at the core a relationship with the Lord is where it needs to be at.
It is so easy to see how the 2 greatest commandments sum up everything.
Of course, coming from a non-Christian view.
Thank you for commenting, but you clearly do not know the details of islamic teaching.
 
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Of course, coming from a non-Christian view.
Thank you for commenting, but you clearly do not know the details of islamic teaching.
I am not sure if your comment is suppose to make me believe that Christian do have all the answers?

Do you know Islamic teachings? What have I said that you dont agree with?

Also I have had a couple of comments in regards to my status. As if being a christian is as easy as clicking a button to change my status? Why cant my comments have any relevence if my status is non christian?
 
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I am not sure if your comment is suppose to make me believe that Christian do have all the answers?

Do you know Islamic teachings? What have I said that you dont agree with?

Also I have had a couple of comments in regards to my status. As if being a christian is as easy as clicking a button to change my status? Why cant my comments have any relevence if my status is non christian?
Well, you were the one who firstly reply to my comment questioning (not to you, but someone else) whether it is good to hang on the teachings of false prophet. My comment was taken from the Christian perspective, of course. Until in a sudden you come up with a comment, which I understand will not possibly come from a true Christian (which you has also admitted in your own profile).

Muhammad is a FALSE PROPHET according to the Bible. A Christian does not have to have all the answers to realize that fact.

I can assure you, that I know at least more than you do on Islamic teachings. Your first three words, 'I believe so' has shown me enough to realize that you are not seeing the matter from the Christianity's point of view.

Actually I agree with your last comments. One's status is just an admittance of what he/she thinks he/she is. One can proclaim to be a Christian and yet utter the same fatal statement as you did, 'I believe so', 'that it is all good for anyone to hang on a teaching of false prophet'. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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Ok , you walk with Jesus and with Muhammad at the same time, as you say. No offence but you have and can have only one biological father, there cant be that you can have 2 fathers to come in this life. So is Jesus or Muhammad. If you say that one other man is your father too, when you have one biological father, then you know thats not the truth. I repeat that Jesus teachs us from physic (what we can see) examples to understand what we cant see. But if you really wanna understand, Jesus will show you the truth.
 
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Well, you were the one who firstly reply to my comment questioning (not to you, but someone else) whether it is good to hang on the teachings of false prophet. My comment was taken from the Christian perspective, of course. Until in a sudden you come up with a comment, which I understand will not possibly come from a true Christian (which you has also admitted in your own profile).

Muhammad is a FALSE PROPHET according to the Bible. A Christian does not have to have all the answers to realize that fact.

I can assure you, that I know at least more than you do on Islamic teachings. Your first three words, 'I believe so' has shown me enough to realize that you are not seeing the matter from the Christianity's point of view.

Actually I agree with your last comments. One's status is just an admittance of what he/she thinks he/she is. One can proclaim to be a Christian and yet utter the same fatal statement as you did, 'I believe so', 'that it is all good for anyone to hang on a teaching of false prophet'. Thanks for pointing that out.
Pehaps take it as a comment questioning that Christian perspective also. I know enough about Islamic teachings to know that it has been the root cause of many evil acts as much as the Christian teachings have produced quite possibly some of the prettiest looking wolves. Yet through these similar idealistic beliefs one can be saved? Why not for a Muslim?
my comment questions people's judgment taken towards someone's heart. This guy may find God even through his out there doctrines if he takes the 2 greatest commandments as literal as it is said. God would sort the rest out no?
 
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Pehaps take it as a comment questioning that Christian perspective also. I know enough about Islamic teachings to know that it has been the root cause of many evil acts as much as the Christian teachings have produced quite possibly some of the prettiest looking wolves. Yet through these similar idealistic beliefs one can be saved? Why not for a Muslim?
my comment questions people's judgment taken towards someone's heart. This guy may find God even through his out there doctrines if he takes the 2 greatest commandments as literal as it is said. God would sort the rest out no?
This is the problem with secular agnostic people, the strangest creatures in the world, who thinks truth can be relevant with other 'truths'.
As much as? Provide evidence of your statement here. Where did Jesus command anybody to do evil? Otherwise you are just spitting out lies and/or false accusations.
Similar idealistic? How can you say Islam is root of many evil yet at the next sentence say it is an idealistic belief? Are you drunk?

I think you are.

Again, when you refer to God, which God do you refer to? The God of the Bible is just and therefore cannot be bribed with good works, since they are filthy rags before Him. Why? Because the filthiness of sin before God is like the worst leper which will break out even the best robe. It can't be hidden from God and justice must be paid.
 
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This is the problem with secular agnostic people, the strangest creatures in the world, who thinks truth can be relevant with other 'truths'.
As much as? Provide evidence of your statement here. Where did Jesus command anybody to do evil? Otherwise you are just spitting out lies and/or false accusations.
Similar idealistic? How can you say Islam is root of many evil yet at the next sentence say it is an idealistic belief? Are you drunk?

I think you are.

Again, when you refer to God, which God do you refer to? The God of the Bible is just and therefore cannot be bribed with good works, since they are filthy rags before Him. Why? Because the filthiness of sin before God is like the worst leper which will break out even the best robe. It can't be hidden from God and justice must be paid.
isnt the truth I mentioned 100/ biblical anyway? Jesus said the 2 greatest commandments is to love the lord your God with all your heart sole and mind, the 2nd is like it, love your neighbour as yourself. All the laws and profits hang on these 2 laws.
would that not justify my comment regarding "I believe so"? He can find God if he takes these 2 commandments as literal as is written? Do you say no?
should I call it religious beliefs instead? I am not sure if you read my post right but I meant that within the religious belief of Christianity one can be saved even though within this same religion ideas of a secular styled Christianity is widely accepted amongst many.
point fingers at everyone else but there is a blank in your eye.
I was just trying to point out that God may need to be the person that shows him the truth, not you telling him your wrong how can you believe such lies and in the same breath tell him your truth.
 
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.....Why cant my comments have any relevence if my status is non christian?
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It is so easy to see how the 2 greatest commandments sum up everything.
even believers were all once under the deception and power of the prince of the power of the air(the devil), until they were redeemed by the blood of the lamb of yahweh, yahshua hamashiach.

that means, as an unbeliever, you remain under the devils power, completely. you do not have free will nor choice even though it 'seems' to you you do (that is a big part of the lying deception everyone on earth is under, except the redeemed of the Lord).

i.e. many on this site are unbelievers, even though they are convinced they are believers.

maybe they think they know what the 2 great commandments say, and thus are relieved of the guilt of their sin. doesn't matter. they still are condemned by the guilt of their sin. the penalty for their sin, for anyone who sins, is death. that simple.

most people on earth never repent. most people on this site have not repented (in their own words, they don't have to because of either "the 2 great commandments" or something else.

but if they don't repent, they aren't forgiven, and thus they are still under (completely) the devil's deception and control.
 
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This man does not want to know the TRUTH that will set him free...can't you see that?
 
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isnt the truth I mentioned 100/ biblical anyway? Jesus said the 2 greatest commandments is to love the lord your God with all your heart sole and mind, the 2nd is like it, love your neighbour as yourself. All the laws and profits hang on these 2 laws.
would that not justify my comment regarding "I believe so"? He can find God if he takes these 2 commandments as literal as is written? Do you say no?
should I call it religious beliefs instead? I am not sure if you read my post right but I meant that within the religious belief of Christianity one can be saved even though within this same religion ideas of a secular styled Christianity is widely accepted amongst many.
point fingers at everyone else but there is a blank in your eye.
I was just trying to point out that God may need to be the person that shows him the truth, not you telling him your wrong how can you believe such lies and in the same breath tell him your truth.
False, you cannot understand the greatest commandment and great commandment without reading and understanding the whole picture. If the good deeds of people can bring a sinful person to God, then the death of Jesus Christ was not necessary at all. What you were concluding is in contrary to the Gospel that Jesus taught and brought. Of course I will say no.

Let me give you an example: If you have a blind and deaf friend (whom you love), and he/she is going to cross a street which intersects with railway, and a train is coming, but this man is not aware of it. What would you do, if you love him/her? Will you just be still and do nothing or you will scream and stop him/her from crossing?

It all goes back to the heinous nature of sin and the Holy and Just nature of God. All men sins and accordingly God will judge each and every one of them for their sin. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

Christianity is not a secular belief as the present world defines secular, sorry to say. When Jesus claims He is the only Way, and No one comes to God except through him, He is not joking and I bet many present day people will not classify that statement as secular.

God is the one who saves, not men. I was just trying to share what I know, from the Word of God. With or without me, by His Will, he will also save you and him, like He has done ever.
 
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OP has not been on the site since mid-February people.
 
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False, you cannot understand the greatest commandment and great commandment without reading and understanding the whole picture. If the good deeds of people can bring a sinful person to God, then the death of Jesus Christ was not necessary at all. What you were concluding is in contrary to the Gospel that Jesus taught and brought. Of course I will say no.

Let me give you an example: If you have a blind and deaf friend (whom you love), and he/she is going to cross a street which intersects with railway, and a train is coming, but this man is not aware of it. What would you do, if you love him/her? Will you just be still and do nothing or you will scream and stop him/her from crossing?

It all goes back to the heinous nature of sin and the Holy and Just nature of God. All men sins and accordingly God will judge each and every one of them for their sin. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

Christianity is not a secular belief as the present world defines secular, sorry to say. When Jesus claims He is the only Way, and No one comes to God except through him, He is not joking and I bet many present day people will not classify that statement as secular.

God is the one who saves, not men. I was just trying to share what I know, from the Word of God. With or without me, by His Will, he will also save you and him, like He has done ever.
you can also not understand them 2 greatest commandments even with the perfect knowledge of the whole picture.

Didnt Christ come so that all mankind can be saved. All mankind is not going to have this perfect knowledge that you obtain. God's grace is not restricted into the walls of Christianity. Seek and you will find.
 
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you can also not understand them 2 greatest commandments even with the perfect knowledge of the whole picture.

Didnt Christ come so that all mankind can be saved. All mankind is not going to have this perfect knowledge that you obtain. God's grace is not restricted into the walls of Christianity. Seek and you will find.
Yes, the salvation of Christ can contain all mankind. Unfortunately most are already comfortable with the ungodly world. May God show His Grace even more to all of us. Amen