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[FranC]

Liberals equated with Sodom???

Wow. Now I've seen everything.

I concur with PlainWord post no. 177

According to YOU
WHO passed all these rules and regulations that have brought
our country into deterioration?

In the name of wanting to be NICE to everyone, we've allowed all
our core values to be trampled on.

Our kids no longer have any idea of wrong and right, or values.
We're living in a subjectively moral society. Everything is relative; relative to what I PERSONALLY hold to be true.
This goes agaist the Laws of a sovereign and objectively moral God.

Not only that, but it will not work. We will end up ruining ourselves and it's already started.
The violence committed by young children, the divorce rate, children growing up in one parent homes, lack of a good education for all, not just some. No God.

I saw a video on the net, taken with a cell phone, of a BOY beating up a GIRL. About 13 years old. Some other boys were just standing around watching. What does this say to you?

Girls should be treasured - not beaten up. This is a trend that will bring us to our ruination.

Fran

 

[blue_ladybug]

This reply is just too cute!
Is this not the objective??!
Oh, and BTW, do muslims follow Allah or do they follow Muhammad and all those rules and regulations he set up - the most important one being to kill the infidels...
of which all we Christians are one.

Not all muslims would kill or are extreme, but all would like to see us disappear.

Too cute?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I concur with PlainWord post no. 177

According to YOU
WHO passed all these rules and regulations that have brought
our country into deterioration?

In the name of wanting to be NICE to everyone, we've allowed all
our core values to be trampled on.

Our kids no longer have any idea of wrong and right, or values.
We're living in a subjectively moral society. Everything is relative; relative to what I PERSONALLY hold to be true.
This goes agaist the Laws of a sovereign and objectively moral God.

Not only that, but it will not work. We will end up ruining ourselves and it's already started.
The violence committed by young children, the divorce rate, children growing up in one parent homes, lack of a good education for all, not just some. No God.

I saw a video on the net, taken with a cell phone, of a BOY beating up a GIRL. About 13 years old. Some other boys were just standing around watching. What does this say to you?

Girls should be treasured - not beaten up. This is a trend that will bring us to our ruination.

Fran

Its worse than right and wrong being turned upside down, even. Not only does the world claim wrong is right, but they hate us for standing on what is right. We are called hateful ignorant bigots for wanting to lead people away from sin and to the Lord. We become more and more the enemies of these people everyday, and they are being used to turn young minds away from Him at an early age. It is more awful than people realize. Sadly, most of the world wont even know whats happening here until that last day.

 

[peacenik]

Yup!! What do liberals teach? Abortion (murder of innocent children) in the name of choice, gay marriage, gay rights, transgender rights, same sex bathrooms, "if it feels good, do it," teaching sex to our children, no spanking, tolerance of criminals, intolerance of anything Christian, etc.

If you are correct then the Bush family would be "liberal" Sodomites as well as would all those Republican judges who enforce the law. Come to think of it, that would include our Founding Fathers since they affirmed the common law (see my earlier posts on the 7th Amendment to the Constitution) which allowed abortion.

 

[PlainWord]

If you are correct then the Bush family would be "liberal" Sodomites as well as would all those Republican judges who enforce the law. Come to think of it, that would include our Founding Fathers since they affirmed the common law (see my earlier posts on the 7th Amendment to the Constitution) which allowed abortion.

I'm not a fan of the Bush family. Nor do I support or endorse political candidates anymore but I will not be voting for Hillary, that much I will say. I used to work in the US Congress and I testified before the US Senate this past Feb, so I know these people.

I can tell you the whole system is corrupt. From the moment a new member of Congress is sworn in, the fundraising begins for the next election. Members of Congress do the bidding of their big donors. The donor class controls the agenda. They are robbing our national treasure and the middle class by manipulating the tax code. Please don't get me started on this as I could go on for hours.

Abortion is a murder. IMO once conception occurs life begins. A recent scientific discovery found that a flash of light happens when sperm meets egg. Here, you can read about it.

Scientists just captured the flash of light that sparks when a sperm meets an egg - ScienceAlert

Even if life doesn't begin then, it certainly begins when the heart starts beating. Just as we declare death when a heart stops, we must declare life when a heart begins to beat. This thread isn't about abortion. As a Christian, if you support abortion, that would be a matter I would urge you to study further.

 

[peacenik]

PW,


As I previously post, I am an abortion survivor and was active in the pro life movement years ago. I left it when its promoters chose to ignore the fact that the US government has promoted abortion in the ghettos and Third World countries for decades. Such hypocrisy along with right wing politics that takes away safety valve programs for the poor is what causes people to abandon the movement.

You may not be a fan of the conservative Bush family but its patriarch Prescott Bush was a white supremacist and Margaret Sanger's financier and best friend. Condemning liberals while ignoring the problems caused by Republicans such as Rockefeller, Bush, and Clarence Gamble is a double standard. If you are going to call them "Sodom" then you need to call conservative Republicans the same in order to gain credibility.

 

[PlainWord]

Its worse than right and wrong being turned upside down, even. Not only does the world claim wrong is right, but they hate us for standing on what is right. We are called hateful ignorant bigots for wanting to lead people away from sin and to the Lord. We become more and more the enemies of these people everyday, and they are being used to turn young minds away from Him at an early age. It is more awful than people realize. Sadly, most of the world wont even know whats happening here until that last day.

[h=1] 1 John 3
[/h] 3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Dear Brother,

You are so correct. We do not belong to this world. The world does not want us and will work to get rid of us and the Word that we keep. I believe the "falling away" isn't apostasy (although it could be), I believe the falling away could be the world killing us off in large numbers as seen in Rev 7.

 

[FranC]

Too cute?

Too long ago.
Who can remember??

Fran

 

[PlainWord]

PW,


As I previously post, I am an abortion survivor and was active in the pro life movement years ago. I left it when its promoters chose to ignore the fact that the US government has promoted abortion in the ghettos and Third World countries for decades. Such hypocrisy along with right wing politics that takes away safety valve programs for the poor is what causes people to abandon the movement.

You may not be a fan of the conservative Bush family but its patriarch Prescott Bush was a white supremacist and Margaret Sanger's financier and best friend. Condemning liberals while ignoring the problems caused by Republicans such as Rockefeller, Bush, and Clarence Gamble is a double standard. If you are going to call them "Sodom" then you need to call conservative Republicans the same in order to gain credibility.

My comments are not political, they are moral. I never mentioned any politician by name, except Hillary, nor did I mention any political party. Progressives support and push agendas contrary to the Word of God, such as gay marriage, abortion, indoctrination of our youth and throwing God out of schools and society in general. They promote false ideas such as evolution, which denies our creator.

To the extent anyone you label as a conservative pushes these progressive agendas that I mention then, I condemn them too.

 

[FranC]

Its worse than right and wrong being turned upside down, even. Not only does the world claim wrong is right, but they hate us for standing on what is right. We are called hateful ignorant bigots for wanting to lead people away from sin and to the Lord. We become more and more the enemies of these people everyday, and they are being used to turn young minds away from Him at an early age. It is more awful than people realize. Sadly, most of the world wont even know whats happening here until that last day.

You're right YB
How did political correctness begin?
I can't even say what I want to because it may not be politically correct.
Well, I'll say it anyway.
Oh. And if you're against something sinful, it's a phobia - you know like homophobia.
The idea being that I'm AFRAID of it because I'm dumb,
not because I understand the danger of it.
And many other phobias, as well.

Today, everything is THE OPPOSITE.
If it's bad - it's good.
If it's good - it's bad.

If a person was a drug addict and comes clean, he's a hero.
The one who never took drugs to begin with and did the right thing is forgotten.
You have to be bad, to be good.

What a mess.
I'm with you.

Fran

 

[peacenik]

My comments are not political, they are moral. I never mentioned any politician by name, except Hillary, nor did I mention any political party. Progressives support and push agendas contrary to the Word of God, such as gay marriage, abortion, indoctrination of our youth and throwing God out of schools and society in general. They promote false ideas such as evolution, which denies our creator.

To the extent anyone you label as a conservative pushes these progressive agendas that I mention then, I condemn them too.

Nothing wrong with having a given set of principles or standards. The only problem is when people fail to apply them on a uniform basis as so many do.

 

[FranC]

Nothing wrong with having a given set of principles or standards. The only problem is when people fail to apply them on a uniform basis as so many do.

The above is for PlainWord.

I'd just like to say that what you say is wrong.

The ONLY PROBLEM is when people have the WRONG SET OF PRINCIPLES
and they drag us down with them as they follow these principles.

IOW, what I mean is that THIS IS the problem.
A uniform set of principles, THE WRONG ONES,
are being applied on a uniform basis.

Now, imagine what this world would be like,
if the RIGHT ones were being APPLIED on a uniform basis!

Fran

 

[PlainWord]

Nothing wrong with having a given set of principles or standards. The only problem is when people fail to apply them on a uniform basis as so many do.

There is only one standard and that's the Word of God. This standard is to be applied to everyone equally.

I merely pointed out that the two witnesses of Rev 11, who are "killed" by the Beast from the Bottomless Pit, are found dead in the streets of a spiritual place called "Sodom and Egypt." Hint: Sodom and Egypt are not Jerusalem.

This is the same spiritual place where Jesus was crucified. I pointed out that in today's world, SODOM is progressiveness and EGYPT is Islam. These are the two evil forces attacking the Church today. This is my view of Rev 11, for what it's worth.

The Church held power for many years to convict the sinner of their sins. But today, this power has been steadily eroding. It appears that Wickedness and Islam are defeating the church. ISLAM is attacking the church by intimidation and murder. SODOM is attacking by calling the church intolerant and bigoted. Everything that the Church stands for is being undermined by these two evil forces.

These two forces appear to be in direct conflict with each other which I find fascinating because ISLAM agrees with nothing that the Progressives stand for, yet they are united in their goal to defeat Christianity.

 

[peacenik]

The ONLY PROBLEM is when people have the WRONG SET OF PRINCIPLES
and they drag us down with them as they follow these principles.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

In their time Johnson & Nixon were thought to be heroes by many because of their stance on the Vietnam war. Then the Pentagon Papers were released and their critics who had been under attack for years were found to have been correct all along. In more recent years many on the right wing thought Bush and Blair were heroes for creating the Iraq war. Then in the UK the Downing Street Memo was released and Blair lost his job. Strangely, the American media which is thought by so many here as being "leftist" completely disregarded those revelations. Had they not done so Bush would have been impeached and removed from office.

So yes, I agree with you that the world would be better if the RIGHT ones were being APPLIED on a uniform basis. Had Johnson, Nixon, and Bush applied your idea we would have enjoyed far more peace and stability throughout the world.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

This conversation is about Islam, not about politics. I dunno why political parties keep being brought up.

 

[peacenik]

This conversation is about Islam, not about politics. I dunno why political parties keep being brought up.

Go back to the first page of this thread and you will see references to things other than Islam such as Hindus, UN, Christians, Jews, Jesus, etc. Then on post #57 USA political parties or matters were brought up. Thus when you say "keep being brought up", this has happened since the thread was first started.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Go back to the first page of this thread and you will see references to things other than Islam such as Hindus, UN, Christians, Jews, Jesus, etc. Then on post #57 USA political parties or matters were brought up. Thus when you say "keep being brought up", this has happened since the thread was first started.

I read the first page, and saw where a few people mentioned things such as hindus, but the conversation was still about Islam : p It did not veer off into those topics.

 

[peacenik]

I did not suggest that you stop on that page. Read on and you will see how the subject in the thread evolved.

 

[peacenik]

Just as an after thought, I suggest that the only thing different about my posts, as opposed to others, is that I am willing to criticize Republicans unlike so many on this forum. For too many people here, somehow, Republicans are untouchable and beyond any form of reproach. Well, it is time to dispel that myth. Interestingly, when I do some people here reply by saying, well, Bush is not a true conservative or some such thing.

Myths sure die hard!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I am not a republican, nor do I support the republican party. It just doesnt have any relevance to the conversation of this thread. The republican party is not Islam.