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peacenik

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nor are "Hindus, UN, Christians, Jews, Jesus"



so let's apply the same standard across the board
 

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Hindsight is always 20/20.

In their time Johnson & Nixon were thought to be heroes by many because of their stance on the Vietnam war. Then the Pentagon Papers were released and their critics who had been under attack for years were found to have been correct all along. In more recent years many on the right wing thought Bush and Blair were heroes for creating the Iraq war. Then in the UK the Downing Street Memo was released and Blair lost his job. Strangely, the American media which is thought by so many here as being "leftist" completely disregarded those revelations. Had they not done so Bush would have been impeached and removed from office.

So yes, I agree with you that the world would be better if the RIGHT ones were being APPLIED on a uniform basis. Had Johnson, Nixon, and Bush applied your idea we would have enjoyed far more peace and stability throughout the world.
What makes you think any of us were fans of Johnson, Nixon or Bush. I certainly was and am not!! I was against going into Iraq from the start.

My politics are based on my Biblical beliefs regardless of party. But let's keep politics out of this.
 

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^ seems more like a case of wealthy elitist affluenza rather than liberalism


oh wait - we were supposed to leave the politics out of it ...
 

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^ seems more like a case of wealthy elitist affluenza rather than liberalism


oh wait - we were supposed to leave the politics out of it ...
No, that was the kid from Texas. This was partyuenza.

Apparently the Libs feel that violence is justified if they disagree with someone's exercise of free speech. That sounds a little un-American to me.
 
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peacenik

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No, that was the kid from Texas. This was partyuenza.

Apparently the Libs feel that violence is justified if they disagree with someone's exercise of free speech. That sounds a little un-American to me.



if that is so they must have taken lessons from right wingers:


Right-wing Violence, Threats Are On The Rise -- And Getting A Wink And A Nudge | Crooks and Liars




The right’s hypocrisy on Trump protesters: It was only OK when the Tea Party was crashing Obamacare meetings - Salon.com




remember this from the Tea Party who aimed lethal weapons at law enforcement personnel who were only doing their job:


http://static2.businessinsider.com/...llegedly-pointed-guns-at-federal-officers.jpg

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cliven-bundy-rancher-nevada139.jpg
 

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Oh please, violence from conservative groups pales in comparison to violence from Liberal groups. How many riots at Bernie or Hillary rallies compared to Trump rallies? Trump isn't even conservative. You don't see conservatives throwing eggs at women and sucker punching liberal supporters. San Jose, Chicago?? Conservatives don't shut down highways like the Libs did in Arizona.

What about Black Lives Matter torching Ferguson and Baltimore? Burning buildings, shooting cops (not pointing guns, but actually killing) Occupy Wall Street? MoveOn.Org? George Soros? Give me a break!! Libs will not allow free speech if it disagrees with them where conservatives will defend with their lives the rights for Libs to exercise their freedom of hate speech. "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon." Remember that?
 
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Salon.com is not a valid source. Those who are part of the organization skewer conservatives, hate Christians, hate Republicans, etc. They are very biased, are leftists, and many are enamored with Hillary Clinton even despite Benghazi, private emails, Clinton Foundation, and a family history of corruption, deceit, and scandal. Be very careful when you choose sources especially when it comes from the neo-liberal, mainstream media. Also, filibusters can be used for good and for evil, Ted Cruz used it to save life and Wendy Davis used it to support the murder of the unborn in Texas. They tell a lot of lies and less truth these days those outlets. Personally, Salon.com should be busy cutting hair, doing nails, or something else instead of hating the GOP. Also, we do not need someone talking us down, which right now you are pretty much guilty of. Do I realize that there are traitors in the Republican ranks? Yes, in fact a few of them are in my state. Do I hold them accountable? Yes.

Those were not necessarily Tea Party, they were Mormon ranchers led by Cliven Bundy (if I remember correctly), who had a legitimate beef with the government about them over-spraying pesticides on their ranch land, the government seizing land from the Bundys, etc. Sadly, the situation escalated one of the dudes of the protest most likely did something stupid, was killed by police, etc. I still had no problem with their peaceful protest until something caused it to escalate.

Now, that I have mentioned this stuff, can we get back to the Muslim religion topic again? First of all, I have read the Koran so I know what it says, still have not been able to find all the hadiths somewhere yet. Secondly, the testimony of a lot of Muslims leaving Islam for Christianity points out that Islam from its founding, origins, etc is a violent religion full of war, violence, etc against those who are not Muslims. In fact, if you read the Koran, the hadiths, and the sira, sayings of Muhammad, you do not get the picture that the mainstream news media wants to show you, instead you get the truth. Also, read the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon. Are all Muslims engaging in these acts? No. Hindus, Buddhists, etc are usually not radical. Now, please stop bashing Republicans and assuming that we are either scared to criticize those who are RINOs or are not doing enough. Thanks. God bless.
 

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Oh please, violence from conservative groups pales in comparison to violence from Liberal groups. How many riots at Bernie or Hillary rallies compared to Trump rallies? Trump isn't even conservative. You don't see conservatives throwing eggs at women and sucker punching liberal supporters. San Jose, Chicago?? Conservatives don't shut down highways like the Libs did in Arizona.

What about Black Lives Matter torching Ferguson and Baltimore? Burning buildings, shooting cops (not pointing guns, but actually killing) Occupy Wall Street? MoveOn.Org? George Soros? Give me a break!! Libs will not allow free speech if it disagrees with them where conservatives will defend with their lives the rights for Libs to exercise their freedom of hate speech. "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon." Remember that?



Violence by lefties?

You mean the ones created by government/police agent provocateurs such as these:



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=agent+provocateurs++baltimore


or in Ferguson:



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=agent+provocateurs++ferguson




or in Oakland:



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=agent+provocateurs++oakland






Google COINTELPRO for other government actions used to attempt to discredit political lefties.
 

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Salon.com is not a valid source ...


Those were not necessarily Tea Party, they were Mormon ranchers led by Cliven Bundy (if I remember correctly) ...

Now, that I have mentioned this stuff, can we get back to the Muslim religion topic again? First of all, I have read the Koran so I know what it says ...

Also, read the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon.

Are all Muslims engaging in these acts? No. Hindus, Buddhists, etc are usually not radical. Now, please stop bashing Republicans and assuming that we are either scared to criticize those who are RINOs or are not doing enough. Thanks. God bless.




Salon:



Salon is a valid source. If you read the link I posted you would see that they quoted the CONSERVATIVE NY Post and Fox news. If this makes it invalid, then those two right wing sources are equally invalid.




Bundy and Tea Party:


the latter's website clearly shows there is a connection: https://www.facebook.com/TheTeaParty.net/posts/710821048973383?stream_ref=5





Koran:


I have also read the Koran (Roswell & Pickthall translations). In truth, I found it terribly boring, confusing, inconsistent in its teachings, and rather uninspiring.




Re Decline and Fall as I recall Gibbon said that what ultimately killed the Roman Empire was its adoption of Christianity. That does not say very much for the religion.



As I wrote before, I am not bashing the Republicans. Instead, I am merely writing the truth that so many of you refuse to see. You people continually attack libs/Dems/feminists with the most rapturous glee imaginable. But God help anyone who dares to return the favor by pointing the finger at the GOP and its many followers for their errors.




If you want, we can take a vote right here: from now on there is to be no criticism of libs/Dems/feminists/Republicans/conservatives.



While we're at it, no attacks on Muslims as well.



As always, please apply your standards on a uniform basis.



Uniform basis, only PLEASE.
 

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sure enough, Islam is attacked on this forum yet again:


http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/137506-orlando-mass-shooting-50-dead.html#post2658270





Therefore, I challenge Will to admonish that person from attacking a religion based on the evil actions of one person. This will prove to some extent that you are consistent in the application of your principles.
ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

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ISIS stands for what?

Islamic State of Iraq and Syria

What kind of state was that again? ISLAMIC.

Not to pile on again but what was this terrorist thug's party affiliation?

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This country and the world better wake up to the fact that a significant portion of ISLAM has declared war on the rest of us!!
 

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[h=3]Imam Speaking in Orlando Said Gays Must Be Killed Out of 'Compassion'[/h]
By Patrick Poole June 12, 2016

In fact, an imam speaking in Orlando in April said that killing gays according to Islamic law should be done "out of compassion":
 
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sure enough, Islam is attacked on this forum yet again:


http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/137506-orlando-mass-shooting-50-dead.html#post2658270





Therefore, I challenge Will to admonish that person from attacking a religion based on the evil actions of one person. This will prove to some extent that you are consistent in the application of your principles.

Islam believes that homosexuals should be put to death. That was true of the OT but we are living in grace at this point in time so it doesn't hold true for Christians. So its stating a fact, not attacking the religion,that is what they believe.
 

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kaylagrl; said:
Islam believes that homosexuals should be put to death. That was true of the OT but we are living in grace at this point in time so it doesn't hold true for Christians. So its stating a fact, not attacking the religion,that is what they believe.


Just because one segment of Islam holds that belief does not make it true for all since there are gay Muslims who faithfully adhere to that religion.

Does Westboro represent all of Christianity?
 

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an example of Muslim tolerance for homosexuals:


Toronto mosque welcomes LGBT community for Ramadan feast - Toronto - CBC News




A mosque in Toronto is creating a name for itself for welcoming the LGBT community, as well as to people of all faiths.
Founder El-Farouk Khaki said it was important for him and his co-founders to create the Unity Mosque, or the El-Tawhid Juma Circle, as a space that is welcoming to anyone. "There's a notion, I think, out there that Muslim spaces are not welcoming, that they're not inclusive, that they don't embrace non-Muslims, or that women or LGBTQI people are somehow not welcome," said Khaki, who spoke to CBC's Matt Galloway on Metro Morning. "And so this is an intentional space designed to actually bring everybody into it."
 

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Revelation 19:20

Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Those who receive the "mark" are followers of Radical Islam. They are the deceived.
 
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Just because one segment of Islam holds that belief does not make it true for all since there are gay Muslims who faithfully adhere to that religion.

Does Westboro represent all of Christianity?

The Quran forbids it and call for stoning to death. There are Christians who claim to be homosexual but the Bible is against it and those who condone homosexuality are not Christians. The same with Muslims, there are liberal Muslims the same as liberal Christians. But their holy book forbids it.
 

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Just because one segment of Islam holds that belief does not make it true for all since there are gay Muslims who faithfully adhere to that religion.
It is a part of the quran, and not just the beliefs of a few in Islam.
 
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Salon:



Salon is a valid source. If you read the link I posted you would see that they quoted the CONSERVATIVE NY Post and Fox news. If this makes it invalid, then those two right wing sources are equally invalid.




Bundy and Tea Party:


the latter's website clearly shows there is a connection: https://www.facebook.com/TheTeaParty.net/posts/710821048973383?stream_ref=5





Koran:


I have also read the Koran (Roswell & Pickthall translations). In truth, I found it terribly boring, confusing, inconsistent in its teachings, and rather uninspiring.




Re Decline and Fall as I recall Gibbon said that what ultimately killed the Roman Empire was its adoption of Christianity. That does not say very much for the religion.



As I wrote before, I am not bashing the Republicans. Instead, I am merely writing the truth that so many of you refuse to see. You people continually attack libs/Dems/feminists with the most rapturous glee imaginable. But God help anyone who dares to return the favor by pointing the finger at the GOP and its many followers for their errors.




If you want, we can take a vote right here: from now on there is to be no criticism of libs/Dems/feminists/Republicans/conservatives.



While we're at it, no attacks on Muslims as well.



As always, please apply your standards on a uniform basis.



Uniform basis, only PLEASE.
First of all, Salon again is not a valid source, in fact Fox News actually is more valid than them and tries to be balanced why Salon smears Christians, Republicans, etc. They twist what Fox News and the NY Post say usually and add their own spin to it. When you read an article on Salon, go directly to the sources they are quoting and make sure it is not a bunch of hogwash they are spouting. So if Bundy was connected to the Tea Party, not everyone who is part of them is crazy, but sadly they are misunderstood and called extremists. Secondly, there is a chapter on Islam in the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, I was not talking about the adoption of Christianity, just because I mention a title does not give you the right to jump to conclusions that I was talking about what led to the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Thirdly, you sort of act like Republicans are stupid, well let me tell you, I know there are traitors in the Republican Party, so stop saying that, I disagree that I should go after the followers' views, except for the neo-cons who believe bombing Iran is a good option which is not because there are Christians there and there an explosion of Muslims becoming Christians in that country. Finally, I am not attacking Muslims, I am going against Islam. There is a difference. Besides what do you say of Galatians 1? I recommend you read Nabeel Quereshi's book Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus. You will find your current views challenged and will see the truth about Islam. That it is of Satan, that a person who leaves Islam can be murdered as an apostate in that honor and shame culture, and that Muhammad was a violent, evil man who did more offensive campaigns than defensive ones and elevated jihad, the physical kind over the spiritual kind. Wake up from your sleep. If you are killed by a radical Muslim, it will be too late to change your mind, you will be dead and maybe in heaven, since I do not know the status of your soul. I will apply the Bible to all the worldviews including Islam, no uniformity nonsense you are worse that the liberals that support Islam and do not realize or delude themselves into thinking that Islam is really a religion of peace, when Muslims are against homosexuality and advocate the death of homosexuals, the punishment which was ended by Jesus in the New Covenant but still homosexuality is considered sin according to God and not the homosexual. The only liberal that knows what Islam is, is also one who hates Christianity vehemently his name is Bill Maher. God bless. :)
 
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