1 Corinthians Chapter 1...Grammar Study

[GreenNnice]

Cee, I have abig day today, but, besides that, I really think there is something that was said that upset mari, and, these verses, 3,4, specifically, speak of our necessity to not follow after men's wisdom and desires per EXAMINING us nor are we to even examine ourselves , but God's our emotional, physical, social, etc., examiner of ALL things, which come from where? The heart. Left to our own devices we are not able to cope, we will utterly fail in our wisdom to sustain ourselves. (1 cor. 18-20, read this, Christ peeps )


Anyway, not much else to say, except, maybe, cee, repost verses 1: Cor. 3:18-4:7.

Cee, the Lord leads, it's no problem to stop the study, and, gracious of your heart to ask man if they want you to stop. But it's ironic that these very verses speak so directly to this situation at hand, but YOU follow His Spirit leading you .

Thank you for the sincere comments, psychomommy and ozelly. May God bless you both for following Him, I would answer your 'through faith' are we saved Q, too, but I just won't because all it does is create controversy and God is to work on our hearts, not man, and, last week's discusion, as cee said, became sectarian and man created different denominations, divisions, God allowed it, and, to this day, there is terrible hate of Christian against Christian and then man fails in their foolish ways of folly, even wo their fault, rages against God. This spirit is the nature of man becoming overrun by Satan, this is why, as Scripture states that with Him in us, His Spirit and our spirit are 'one.'

But, this thread is not about this topic here directly so let's you have permission to use my above words if you want to start another thread.

But, yes, cee, the Lord, He alone is to lead, let Him, through prayer now, take you forward, these verses are great knowledge for ALL right now, understanding God's weakness is said mentioned in Scripture but does it really matter because His weakness is STILL greater than ANY man's strength. Be not profess yourself wise, be not the judge of your own character, nor let ANY man judge your words if they be from Him, for God examines, the Lord, He alone will 'bring to light (judgment) the hidden things in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts, and, then each man's praise will come to him from God.' 1 Cor. 4:5b

 

[marianna]

It is true that salvation through faith was by a gracious act of God. It is what we do with that faith which determines wheather we are faithful or unfaithful. Let us each be summed up:

1Co 4:1Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers (workers, assistants) of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
1Co 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

If we are not workers with Christ, then we have a dead faith.

If we are not faithful stewards of God's mysteries, then we are unfaithful.

This whole chapter is about PAUL AND THE OTHER APOSTLES. Not you.

You did not see the Resurrected Christ, He did not Commission you directly, personally, face-to-face.
This is about the First Century Apostles and Ministers who were stewards of the still-being-revealed New Testament doctrines of Christ.




Let a man so account of us - This is a continuation of the subject in the preceding chapter; and should not have been divided from it.

The fourth chapter would have begun better at 1 Corinthians 4:6, and the third should have ended with the fifth verse (1 Corinthians 4:5).

As of the ministers of Christ - Ως ὑπηρετας Χριστου. The word ὑπηρετης means an under-rower, or one, who, in the trireme, quadrireme, or quinquereme galleys, rowed in one of the undermost benches; but it means also, as used by the Greek writers, any inferior officer or assistant. By the term here the apostle shows the Corinthians that, far from being heads and chiefs, he and his fellow apostles considered themselves only as inferior officers, employed under Christ from whom alone they received their appointment their work, and their recompense.

Stewards of the mysteries of God - Και οικονομους μυστηριων Θεου, Economists of the Divine mysteries. See the explanation of the word steward in the note on Matthew 24:45, (note); Luke 8:3, (note); Luke 12:42, (note)
Clarke


Let a man so account of us,.... Though the apostle had before said that he, and other ministers of the Gospel, were not any thing with respect to God, and, with regard to the churches, were theirs, for their use and advantage; yet they were not to be trampled upon, and treated with contempt, but to be known, esteemed, and honoured for their works' sake, and in their respective places, stations, and characters; and though they were but men, yet were not to be considered as private men, and in a private capacity, but as in public office, and as public preachers of the word; and though they were not to be regarded as lords and masters over God's heritage, but as servants, yet not as everyone's, or as any sort of servants, but

as the ministers, or servants, of Christ; as qualified, called, and sent forth by him to preach his Gospel; as ambassadors in his name, standing in his place and stead, and representing him, and therefore for his sake to be respected and esteemed; and as such who make him the subject of their ministry, preach him and him only, exalt him in his person, offices, blood, righteousness and sacrifice, and direct souls to him alone for life and salvation:

and stewards of the mysteries of God; though they are not to be looked upon as masters of the household, that have power to dispose of things in the family at their own pleasure; yet they are to be regarded as stewards, the highest officers in the house of God; to whose care are committed the secret and hidden things of God
Gill




Let a man so account of us. The apostles and evangelists. They are to be regarded

as ministers of Christ, as servants, not as leaders (1Co 3:5). The Greek word huperetes, rendered ministers, means literally under-rowers. The figure is that of a ship impelled by oars. The church is the ship; Christ commands; the rowers only obey orders. Since they have no right to give orders, no parties should be formed about them.

Stewards. Again the figure is changed, but still the idea is that they were servants. The steward his charge of the house for his master. The church is the house; Christ is the Master; the apostolic stewards in charge, having

the mysteries of God, the revealed knowledge, knowledge not their own but given them, must faithfully dispense it to the household.
PNT




1. account . us-Paul and Apollos.

ministers of Christ-not heads of the Church in whom ye are severally to glory (1Co 1:12); the headship belongs to Christ alone; we are but His servants ministering to you (1Co 1:13; 3:5, 22).

stewards-(Lu 12:42; 1Pe 4:10). Not the depositories of grace, but dispensers of it ("rightly dividing" or dispensing it), so far as God gives us it, to others.
JFBC




4:1-6 Apostles were no more than servants of Christ, but they were not to be undervalued. They had a great trust, and for that reason, had an honourable office. Paul had a just concern for his own reputation, but he knew that he who chiefly aimed to please men, would not prove himself a faithful servant of Christ.

In this chapter the apostle, I. Directs them how to account of him and his fellow-ministers, and therein, tacitly at least, reproves them for their unworthy carriage towards him (v. 1-6). II. He cautions them against pride and self-elation, and hints at the many temptations they had to conceive too highly of themselves, and despise him and other apostles, because of the great diversity in their circumstances and condition (v. 7-13). III. He challenges their regard to him as their father in Christ (v. 14-16). IV. He tells them of his having sent Timothy to them, and of his own purpose to come to them shortly, however some among them had pleased themselves, and grown vain, upon the quite contrary expectation (v. 17 to the end).

2. Apostles were not to be undervalued; for, though they were ministers, they were ministers of Christ. The character and dignity of their master put an honour on them
Henry




19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit. - Ephesians 2


According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I [Paul] laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. - 1 Corinthians 3:10


They already laid the foundation.
Understand it. Survey it.
You're not to lay a new one.

You are to build up those who are born again believers and remind them of the doctrines of Christ ALREADY GIVEN, the Faith delivered once for all to the saints.....Not create new doctrine because you think you of all people haqs found something no other Christian ever saw in that foundation.

In case you don't know, the Church (Structure, Body) has been built on that foundation for 2000 years and she is already standing, and is rising.

 

[marianna]

Cee, I have abig day today, but, besides that, I really think there is something that was said that upset mari, and, these verses, 3,4, specifically, speak of our necessity to not follow after men's wisdom and desires per EXAMINING us nor are we to even examine ourselves , but God's our emotional, physical, social, etc., examiner of ALL things, which come from where? The heart. Left to our own devices we are not able to cope, we will utterly fail in our wisdom to sustain ourselves. (1 cor. 18-20, read this, Christ peeps )

What are you talking about?
The only thing that upset me was your sectarianism (and faulty teaching and exhalting one another), which is still continuing.

"These verses, 3,4, specifically, speak of our necessity to not follow after men's wisdom and desires per EXAMINING us nor are we to even examine ourselves"????

Those passages about Paul and the original foundation layers, not you.

As for "not examining ourselves", nor bother with others examining us? - where'd you get that from?

But it's ironic that these very verses speak so directly to this situation at hand, but YOU follow His Spirit leading you .

They speak of the original pre-canon minsters, not cee or you.
And they can eventually speak partially to qualified teachers and stewards of the church. Are either of you qualified?

and, to this day, there is terrible hate of Christian against Christian and then man fails in their foolish ways of folly, even wo their fault, rages against God. This spirit is the nature of man becoming overrun by Satan, this is why, as Scripture states that with Him in us, His Spirit and our spirit are 'one.'

So anyone examining you and your friend's ideas and teaching qualifications is "raging against God", and this has nothing to do with you?

Be not profess yourself wise, be not the judge of your own character, nor let ANY man judge your words if they be from Him, for God examines, the Lord, He alone will 'bring to light (judgment) the hidden things in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts, and, then each man's praise will come to him from God.' 1 Cor. 4:5b

No, sorry, we are commended as Bereans to judge if any man's words come from God.

 

[cfultz3]

We shall than continue to be in the knowledge and wisdom of God, the mind of Christ, as we continue in our studies. In God we trust that in all things, His will is being done. To my Father I pray, 'Let it always be your words and never mine. Amen and Amen.'

 

[cfultz3]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:9δοκωG1380 V-PAI-1S - (I think) γαρG1063 CONJ - (yet (reason)) οτιG3754 CONJ - (that) οG3588T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM - (the God) ημαςG1473 P-1AP - (us) τουςG3588T-APM αποστολουςG652 N-APM - (the apostles) εσχατουςG2078 A-APM-S - (last) απεδειξενG584 V-AAI-3S - (God has exhibited (shown off)) ωςG5613 ADV - (as) επιθανατιουςG1935 A-APM –(those appointed to death) οτιG3754 CONJ - (because) θεατρονG2302 N-NSN - (a spectacle (public show)) εγενηθημενG1096 V-AOI-1P - (we have been made to become (passive deponent)) τωG3588T-DSM κοσμωG2889 N-DSM - (unto the world) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) αγγελοιςG32 N-DPM –(unto angels) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) ανθρωποιςG444 N-DPM –(unto humans) [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:10ημειςG1473 P-1NP - (we) μωροιG3474 A-NPM - (are fools) διαG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) χριστονG5547 N-ASM - (Christ) υμειςG4771 P-2NP - (you*) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) φρονιμοιG5429 A-NPM - (are wise (prudent)) ενG1722 PREP - (by (instrumentality)) χριστωG5547 N-DSM - (Christ) ημειςG1473 P-1NP - (we) ασθενειςG772 A-NPM - (are weak) υμειςG4771 P-2NP - (you*) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) ισχυροιG2478 A-NPM - (are mighty) υμειςG4771 P-2NP - (you*) ενδοξοιG1741 A-NPM - (are honored (held in esteem)) ημειςG1473 P-1NP - (we) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) ατιμοιG820 A-NPM - (are without honor (of lesser esteem)) [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:11αχριG891 ADV - (even unto) τηςG3588 T-GSF - (this + hour) αρτιG737 ADV - (present) ωραςG5610 N-GSF - (hour) καιG2532 CONJ - (even) πεινωμενG3983 V-PAI-1P - (we are famished) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) διψωμενG1372 V-PAI-1P - (we are thirsty) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) γυμνητευομενG1130 V-PAI-1P - (we are naked) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) κολαφιζομεθαG2852 V-PPI-1P - (we are buffeted (chastise with the fist)) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) αστατουμενG790 V-PAI-1P - (we are homeless) [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:12καιG2532 CONJ - (and) κοπιωμενG2872 V-PAI-1P - (we are fatigue) εργαζομενοιG2038 V-PNP-NPM - (working) ταιςG3588T-DPF ιδιαιςG2398 A-DPF –(with our own) χερσινG5495 N-DPF - (hands) λοιδορουμενοιG3058 V-PPP-NPM - (being railed at (abusively spoken to)) ευλογουμενG2127 V-PAI-1P - (we bless (speak well of)) διωκομενοιG1377 V-PPP-NPM - (being persecuted) ανεχομεθαG430 V-PNI-1P - (we firmly hold ourselves up (middle deponent)) [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:13βλασφημουμενοιG987 V-PPP-NPM - (being spoken evilly about (slandered)) παρακαλουμενG3870 V-PAI-1P - (we entreat (strive to appease)) ωςG5613 ADV - (as) περικαθαρματαG4027 N-NPN - (those filthy) τουG3588T-GSM κοσμουG2889 N-GSM –(of this world) εγενηθημενG1096 V-AOI-1P - (we have been made to become (passive deponent)) παντωνG3956 A-GPN –(of all things) περιψημαG4067 N-NSN - (scum) εωςG2193 ADV - (even unto) αρτιG737 ADV - (this moment) [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV 1Co 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV 1Co 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV 1Co 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV 1Co 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV 1Co 4:13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:9-13 Yet, I think that God has exhibited (shown off) us apostles last, as those appointed to death, because we have been made to become (passive deponent) a spectacle (public show) to the world and to angels and to humans. We are fools through (channel of an act) Christ, but you* are wise (prudent) by (instrumentality) Christ. We are weak but you* are mighty. You are honored, but we are without honor (of lesser esteem). Even to this present hour, we are famished and thirsty and naked and buffeted (chastise with the fist) and homeless and fatigue working with our own hands. Being railed at (abusively spoken to), we bless (speak well of). Being persecuted, we firmly hold ourselves up (middle deponent). Being spoken evilly about (slandered), we entreat (strive to appease). We have been made to become (passive deponent) as those filthy of this world. Of all things, scum even unto this moment.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Notes:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]God has exhibited us apostles last = indeed He has. But, oh boy, will they ever be showed off in the coming Kingdom of our God and our Savior Jesus. Their very names forevermore written down on the fountains which are found in the walls of God's Kingdom. (Rev 21:14)[/FONT]

 

[ChurchLover]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I am trying a different format. Instead of breaking things up into verses, I will be breaking things up into paragraphs and presenting information in blocks. I may not properly break things up, but my intentions are well meant. I would like feedback as to if this format is better or should we stay with verse by verse.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]KJV 1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]KJV 1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]KJV 1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1Co 1:1-3 Paul, a called (invited) apostle of Jesus Christ through (channel of an act) God's will, and Brother Sosthenes. To the church (gathering, assembly) of God, the one being in Corinth, having had beensanctified (made holy) by(instrumentality)Christ Jesus, called (invited) saints (holy ones) together with all those everywhere who are calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to themselves (middle voice), both theirs and ours (Lord). Grace be unto you* and peace from (departure)God our Father and from (same) Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Notes:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]having had been sanctified (peRfect passive Participle) = properly, it means 'the sanctified church". The perfect tells us that it was an one time event. The passive tells us that they received the action. The participle tells us that it is an adverb describing 'church' (those gathered together). It is not telling us that all churches are sanctified, but that this particular one has been.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]calling upon...to themselves = that is, to call upon Jesus to present Himself to them. Example, "Henry was called upon to present himself to testify in court." So, to call upon the name of Jesus is to call upon Him to present Himself to you. In the sense of invoking (God! My God).[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]peace from God and Jesus = this tells us that there are at least 2 in the Godhead where peace can come from. But Revelation 1:4-5 tells us that peace can come from God the Father, the seven Spirits (seven manifestations of the Spirit), and from Jesus Christ. The absence of mentioning the Spirit here does not diminish the existence or even the importance of the Spirit, but does agree with the teaching of the Spirit not speaking of Himself but of God the Father and Jesus Christ.





I am still learning but i love the book of Corinthians and i love to read them
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[cfultz3]

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As do I to all three statements. BTW .....a lovely ever-telling picture of our Lord. God bless you and may we all, when we are present before our Father, come to the full knowledge which shall be known to the sons of God. Until then, let our hearts be so eagerly and diligently seeking Truth as the Spirit of Truth, indeed His Spirit, guide us Home.

 

[Bookends]

The impression I get from your studies is this:

1) You use this forum to glorify your own wisdom and knowledge of the Word. Although you don't actually say it, but the impression I get is you think of yourself a super apostle ordained by God where as your words are equal with Holy Scripture.

2) That you think your interpretations of the Word are infallible.

3) The exultation of your protege GreenNnice is revolting to me.

4) It is obvious to me that your following is small, mostly of GreenNnice, and a few other commenters.

This being said, I will also apologize for being so blunt in the matter. But you are the one that asked. Your studies may very well have much truth in them, but could be mixed in with unintentional untruths. But neither do I have the time or patience to read through it all, for I much rather prefer my own personal studies and rely on them to receive God's word into me and His leading in my life. The Internet is a place where any want-a-bee can portray him or herself as anyone they imagine. It is one thing to speak words of wisdom on an Internet forum and to actually preach them in real life, applying Godly principles of daily living in front of peers (unsaved and saved) and to live them out in a crucified life to Christ. Therefore I take anyone's words here with a grain of salt, hold fast to what is good and what speaks to me, and throw out the rest. I'm sure you may have the exact sediments about what others or I say on here as well, so I mean no offense really.

I ask you and God for forgiveness if my intentions and comments here are of the flesh, if I am wrong in my statements about your character, intentions and love for God. But I agree with Mari's statements concerning this thread.

I am prepared to called jealous, or not know anything, un-led or blastpheming the HS in which many get called who disagree with some of your doctrines. Regardless of what is said of me, I choose to forgive you and/or anyone else as the Lord in heaven has forgiven me. Amen

Ps. As far as the poll options goes, the closest one that fits my thoughts are "They are ok if that is what you want to do". You have the right to speak your mind here to a certain extent, and so do I. I also have the right to skip over your threads, in which I exercise that right, and in which I'm sure you do as well.

God's Peace. May we both agree, "In the Gospel essentials unity, in all secondary issues liberty, and in all things charity".

 

[cfultz3]

First of all, thank you for your honest opinion.

The impression I get from your studies is this:

1) You use this forum to glorify your own wisdom and knowledge of the Word. Although you don't actually say it, but the impression I get is you think of yourself a super apostle ordained by God where as your words are equal with Holy Scripture. -- I like studying and sharing my studying. Do you think that I should keep my studying to myself or present in a format (example, if so). Honestly, what do I say or do that gives you the impression that I think my words are equal to Scripture?

2) That you think your interpretations of the Word are infallible. Is this the reason why people do not post in here? How do I give this impression?

3) The exultation of your protege GreenNnice is revolting to me.

4) It is obvious to me that your following is small, mostly of GreenNnice, and a few other commenters.

This being said, I will also apologize for being so blunt in the matter. But you are the one that asked. -- Honesty is what I wanted and you have given it.

Your studies may very well have much truth in them, but could be mixed in with unintentional untruths.
-- But I guess that goes back to people not posting here for or against what I say.

But neither do I have the time or patience to read through it all, for I much rather prefer my own personal studies and rely on them to receive God's word into me and His leading in my life. -- Me too and what I do study, I post here. So, perhaps this is the reason why people do not repsond?

The Internet is a place where any want-a-bee can portray him or herself as anyone they imagine. It is one thing to speak words of wisdom on an Internet forum and to actually preach them in real life, applying Godly principles of daily living in front of peers (unsaved and saved) and to live them out in a crucified life to Christ. Therefore I take anyone's words here with a grain of salt, hold fast to what is good and what speaks to me, and throw out the rest. I'm sure you may have the exact sediments about what others or I say on here as well, so I mean no offense really. -- No offense taken here. But with that said, why then do any of us post on CC?

I ask you and God for forgiveness if my intentions and comments here are of the flesh, if I am wrong in my statements about your character, intentions and love for God. But I agree with Mari's statements concerning this thread. -- But as you say, you do not know me and I do not know you, so you would not know my 'real life' as I you. I can, just as you, set here and tell them, but then again, we are left with the same sentiment of, 'who are you really'.

I am prepared to called jealous, or not know anything, un-led or blastpheming the HS in which many get called who disagree with some of your doctrines. Regardless of what is said of me, I choose to forgive you and/or anyone else as the Lord in heaven has forgiven me. Amen -- Likewise. But if one considers the Spirit of God and Jesus a thing, a figment of a loons psychotic thoughts, then yes that 'one' is blastphemious. It is the Spirit who leads to all Truth, and by which same Spirit we are giving the mind of Christ, and if that Spirit is so thought of in a disguisting manner then yes, that 'one' knows nothing. And I will continue telling that person the same. But, I know you are not saying this here. So, none of this applies to you.

Ps. As far as the poll options goes, the closest one that fits my thoughts are "They are ok if that is what you want to do". You have the right to speak your mind here to a certain extent, and so do I. I also have the right to skip over your threads, in which I exercise that right, and in which I'm sure you do as well. - Ditto

God's Peace. May we both agree, "In the Gospel essentials unity, in all secondary issues liberty, and in all things charity".

Please give me suggestions on how to fix the 'impression' I am giving to others that my words are better than Scripture.

 

[GreenNnice]

) The exultation of your protege GreenNnice is revolting to me.

4) It is obvious to me that your following is small, mostly of GreenNnice, and a few other commenters.

LOL, I did use fo call cee, 'apostle cee,' but cee sent me a PM anda said he did not feel worthy of that calling, hence, I stopped calling cee that name, books.

Yes, maybe small (is close to a 1000 visits small?) , but, regardless of one's following, who aré we supposed to follow. Hint: Read John 21:22
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Fair enough, the Lord leads , I am sure of His presence in my life, the persecution I receive in life let's me know ever the more that His Spirit is at work in my temple
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Interesting verses, cee, anda, Yes, mari, we aré NOT to examiné ourselves, that is the Spirit's job done in us, by our prayers , our understanding of His intimate leading in our life, by faith we allow the Spirit not only to enter our body but to change our character , regenerated with Him means we are to 'generate' outwardly with a 'faith' energy following of Him our 'generator.' God alone is my Father, His grace is sufficient, made strongest in my weakness. Am I being weak now

So, Hmmmm, moving on, hmm, guess I can't unless I talk to You, fall afresh on me:


'Dear Lord, am I to continúe with cee in this subversive spirit atmosphere Or can those not interested in learning about the power (energy) of the Holy Spirit who alone examines Paul's life, and, mine, can the divisives who believe in the same foundation of You be able to go elsewhere for understanding, peace?? Is cee and my 'sacrifice' hours afforded by your hand guiding us, Lord, this I pray, for you alone I turn to for my understanding and wisdom, Thy will be done. Amen.'

 

[cfultz3]

Personal Statement of Resolve

From those who cared, one way or another, to respond, I have come to a resolve. It must first be said that I know that Christ, the Son of the living God, is not only my Savior, but He is also the foundation by which I build. It is by the faith which I have put in Him that I shall receive everlasting life. My salvation is assured in Him. And I also know that He is my Master, the One I must hearken unto, and do give heed to all which is written.

My intent of sharing my studying is to make alive the same Greek Scripture the King James Version used. What value would it hold if I did not share it with others, but hid it until my Lord came reckoning with me? My love for Him demands me to share what I have been given so that by Him I can be summed up as a good worker and a faithful steward. My heart longs to please Him so that I too may receive the same commendation that my Brother received.

We all share our understanding by whatever means we do. Some implies Scripture. Some quote whole chapters, yet others, verses. But, in the end, we all see it as we are led to see it, some by the Spirit and some by their own understanding.

I will by no means deny the lively Hope indwelling in me. For He and He alone knows the path to Home. I will, therefore, place my confidence and trust in my Lord. Yes, thank you Lord Jesus, we have been given His Spirit and I would be a fool to deny my duty to show as many people as I possibly can that:

OUR GOD IS ALIVE AND THIS EVIDENCE IS GIVEN TO US BY HIS SPIRIT WHICH IS SENT BY HIM. AWAKEN AND KNOW YOUR GOD.​

 

[cfultz3]

LOL, I did use fo call cee, 'apostle cee,' but cee sent me a PM anda said he did not feel worthy of that calling, hence, I stopped calling cee that name, books.

Yes, maybe small (is close to a 1000 visits small?) , but, regardless of one's following, who aré we supposed to follow. Hint: Read John 21:22
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Fair enough, the Lord leads , I am sure of His presence in my life, the persecution I receive in life let's me know ever the more that His Spirit is at work in my temple
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Interesting verses, cee, anda, Yes, mari, we aré NOT to examiné ourselves, that is the Spirit's job done in us, by our prayers , our understanding of His intimate leading in our life, by faith we allow the Spirit not only to enter our body but to change our character , regenerated with Him means we are to 'generate' outwardly with a 'faith' energy following of Him our 'generator.' God alone is my Father, His grace is sufficient, made strongest in my weakness. Am I being weak now

So, Hmmmm, moving on, hmm, guess I can't unless I talk to You, fall afresh on me:


'Dear Lord, am I to continúe with cee in this subversive spirit atmosphere Or can those not interested in learning about the power (energy) of the Holy Spirit who alone examines Paul's life, and, mine, can the divisives who believe in the same foundation of You be able to go elsewhere for understanding, peace?? Is cee and my 'sacrifice' hours afforded by your hand guiding us, Lord, this I pray, for you alone I turn to for my understanding and wisdom, Thy will be done. Amen.'

My Father, I come to You. You are my Strongtower and in You I trust. Your will, my Abba, be done. Let the Truth be known if we are perversive, and if we are Lord, we stand guilty before You and You alone. In this, my God, I pray in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen.

 

[GreenNnice]

My Father, I come to You. You are my Strongtower and in You I trust. Your will, my Abba, be done. Let the Truth be known if we are perversive, and if we are Lord, we stand guilty before You and You alone. In this, my God, I pray in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen.

You know, cee , this gets me, how gracious our God is , I follow no man, and, ultimately, no man examines me, and, I examine not myself either, I just go by God's hand leading my life. Why not!
He's shown me things that showed me His executionary beautifulness unto my life, so my soul yearned for more of His leading, my soul does yearn for more of Him EVERY DAY, I give every day to Him, I want to Love God more EVERY DAY , as, through faith, He leads me. This is my way of waking daily, walking with Him, my Shepherd is He, I shall not want. And, this does speak of possessions but ALSO more, much more, His guidance is all encompassing of my life. I know, that by following Him I will NEVER get lost, NEVER be lost, staying in His 'pasture,' (is this 'rest?' ) for to Love God more in this journey is as Scripture states, we 'know God more,' and, this, IF you must know Christ peeps, is what I live for, and, of, sure, I've sated wrong desires, but the Lord is with me and He's led me through that sating with justly chastening, but ALWAYS dine in Love and only with the conviction to bring me to a stronger knowing of Him, which is knowledge and wisdom, my peeps, beyond simple understanding.

How great is my God whom I serve joyously EVERY DAY of my life as perfect as I can, bringing my heart further and further under His ultimate 'Holy' control, this my heart's desire, this I pray daily IS the cry of my heart, this helps me know His will, perfectly, for my life.

God is our strongtower, our strength, our shield, an 'ever-present' help in our times of danger (persecution, etc.) .

So, I prayed about it, cee just spoke his heart, I have, too. The Lord leads now , through faith, I pray, we can quit this subversiveness of spirit, for his Spirit wants to continue speaking through cee, and, yes, cee aand I are 'brothers' of like belief in Christ our foundation and in the Spirit's leading, through Jesus, through God, our 'One' power Who supplies us with gifts, through faith, is Him, and He does with us , not to mention, YOU, as He pleases. 'COURSE, obeying His leading is all a choice He gives us to make.

There is NO pompous attitude, NO exaltation, but, yes, speaking of 'gifts,' there is exhortation, and, teaching and, apostling (planting and watering of the Word, I mean by this term) , no intenta whatsoever to laud doctrine over folk, just a true desire by the both of us to speak His Truth, as the Spirit leads.
The Lord leads

Ok, saddened, cee, but knowing too, that these things of attention just spoken needed addressed. but, again, big day tomorrow, and, because of this led response I have not spoken of your latest posted verses, and, won't. So, brother, on we go, the Lord leads, of 'this' we are in agreement.

 

[cfultz3]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Direct KJV from E-Sword:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Textus Receptus expressed out [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:14 ουκG3756 PRT-N - (not (abs. neg.)) εντρεπωνG1788 V-PAP-NSM - (to be shaming) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) γραφωG1125 V-PAI-1S - (I do write) ταυταG3778 D-APN - (these things) αλλG235 CONJ - (but rather) ωςG5613 ADV - (as) τεκναG5043 N-NPN - (children) μουG1473 P-1GS - (my) αγαπηταG27 A-NPN - (beloved (from agape = love of esteem)) νουθετωG3560 V-PAI-1S - (I do warn you*) [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:15 εανG1437 COND - (though) γαρG1063 CONJ - (seeing that (reason why he is warning them)) μυριουςG3463 A-APM - (innumerable) παιδαγωγουςG3807 N-APM - (schooling masters (one who shows a child how to live)) εχητεG2192 V-PAS-2P - (you* might have) ενG1722 PREP - (in (location)) χριστωG5547 N-DSM - (Christ) αλλG235 CONJ - (but yet) ουG3756 PRT-N - (not (abs. neg.)) πολλουςG4183 A-APM - (many) πατεραςG3962 N-APM - (fathers) ενG1722 PREP - (in (location)) γαρG1063 CONJ - (seeing that (reason why not many fathers)) χριστωG5547 N-DSM - (by [Christ) ιησουG2424 N-DSM - (Jesus)]διαG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) τουευαγγελιουG2098 N-GSN - (the Gospel) εγωG1473 P-1NS - (I alone) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) εγεννησαG1080 V-AAI-1S - (I have begotten) [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:16 παρακαλωG3870 V-PAI-1S - (I exhort) ουνG3767 CONJ - (accordingly) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) μιμηταιG3402 N-NPM - (imitators) μουG1473 P-1GS - (of me) γινεσθεG1096 V-PNM-2P - (you* are to become) [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:17 διαG1223 PREP - (for reason) τουτοG3778 D-ASN - (this) επεμψαG3992 V-AAI-1S - (I have dispatched) υμινG4771 P-2DP - (unto you*) τιμοθεονG5095 N-ASM - (Timothy) οςG3739 R-NSM - (who) εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S - (who is) τεκνονG5043 N-NSN - (child) μουG1473 P-1GS - (my) αγαπητονG27 A-NSN - (beloved (from agape = love of esteem)) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) πιστονG4103 A-NSN - (who is faithful) ενG1722 PREP - (before) κυριωG2962 N-DSM - (Lord) οςG3739 R-NSM - (who) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) αναμνησειG363 V-FAI-3S - (who shall remind of) ταςοδουςG3598 N-APF - (the paths) μουG1473 P-1GS - (my) ταςG3588 T-APF - (that are) ενG1722 PREP - (by (instrumentality)) χριστωG5547 N-DSM - (Christ) καθωςG2531 ADV - (just as) πανταχουG3837 ADV - (everywhere) ενG1722 PREP - (in) πασηG3956 A-DSF - (every) εκκλησιαG1577 N-DSF - (church) διδασκωG1321 V-PAI-1S - (I teach) [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]My rendition with grammatical notes:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:14 I do not (abs. neg.) write these things to be shamming you*, but rather I do warn you* as my beloved (from agape = love of esteem) children, seeing that (reason why he is warning them) though you* might have innumerable schooling masters (one who shows a child how to live) in (location) Christ, but yet, not (abs. neg.) many fathers (faith's founding fathers), seeing that (reason why not many fathers) I alone have begotten you* in (location) Christ through (channel of an act) the Gospel. Accordingly, I exhort you*: you* are to become imitators of me. For this reason, I have dispatched Timothy to you*, who is my beloved child and is faithful before Lord, who shall remind you* of my paths that are by (instrumentality) Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church.[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]My Side-notes:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]schooling masters in Christ = just as God sent prophets and the sort to His people during the old Covenant, likewise, it is Christ who sends teachers to His people during the new Covenant.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I along have begotten you = that is, they are his house which he build upon the foundation of Christ. [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]in Christ through the Gospel = the means by which one is to stand upon the foundation of Christ is by the usage of the Gospel. The Gospel is the building material used to build that house. But also note that it is how one uses that Gospel to build their house that that house will either be burnt or remain. Though you might lose rewards, nevertheless, you are saved. So, don't fear losing your salvation, seeing that it is by faith alone that one receives salvation. You are, therefore, not earning your salvation, but, you are earning your everlasting rewards in Heaven.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]you* are to become = the meaning of this word is active and means 'to cause to be'. He is telling them that they should make the effort to become like him. With that said, it is important to note the active of the Lord's command, 'Come and follow Me.' That is, 'you cause yourself to get up and you cause yourself to follow me'. How? By that same willingness to be led by His Spirit to show you His footsteps that you are to walk in as though it was a military march (in sync).[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]be imitators of me = He is asking them to copy him, not to be followers of him as when Jesus said, "Come and follow Me'. Being a 'follower', in a spiritual sense, implies worship. He is saying, if you want someone to give you an example on how to live and what are to be your morals, then let me be your schooling master and as a child I will teach you.[/FONT]

 

[GreenNnice]

Sorry, cee, no time to add , but your notes explain to me that we can be followers in more ways than one, in a spiritual sense of worship as well as a follower in a beliver sense, nice insight, Christbro .

Just a lot to do the last 24 hours and what time I could have spent on this I was busy being led to defend our position of this thread which is simply confronting the verses with both interpretation and grammatical nuance , which is, as I see it, not trying doctrine in any sense of any one's way of expanding their foundation of belief in Christ.

And, if I am guilty of thatl, I prayed about it and found not a reason.

What I found I was guilty of was:

1. Exhorting, edifying, and, hopefully, informing, and, no where in this thread did I call cee an 'apostle,' so, to me, that means someone was insinuating and that very word is evil . So, with prayer, and, fear of the Lord for my wisdom and understanding of the Holy One who leads my life, I believe, the Lord leads, will be a day of complementary work again on this thread.

And, truly, IF someone thinks I am not complementing cee, just let me know how I can complement his study more, for I only want to be where the Lord leads me for my continued 'rest' in Him

 

[cfultz3]

Sorry, cee, no time to add , but your notes explain to me that we can be followers in more ways than one, in a spiritual sense of worship as well as a follower in a beliver sense, nice insight, Christbro .

Just a lot to do the last 24 hours and what time I could have spent on this I was busy being led to defend our position of this thread which is simply confronting the verses with both interpretation and grammatical nuance , which is, as I see it, not trying doctrine in any sense of any one's way of expanding their foundation of belief in Christ.

And, if I am guilty of thatl, I prayed about it and found not a reason.

What I found I was guilty of was:

1. Exhorting, edifying, and, hopefully, informing, and, no where in this thread did I call cee an 'apostle,' so, to me, that means someone was insinuating and that very word is evil . So, with prayer, and, fear of the Lord for my wisdom and understanding of the Holy One who leads my life, I believe, the Lord leads, will be a day of complementary work again on this thread.

And, truly, IF someone thinks I am not complementing cee, just let me know how I can complement his study more, for I only want to be where the Lord leads me for my continued 'rest' in Him

Sounds like you are having a lot of fun with that work, cough. Hope to see you soon and don't work to hard

 

[cfultz3]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Direct KJV from E-Sword:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:18 Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? [/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Textus Receptus expressed out [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:18 ωςG5613 ADV - (as to) μηG3361 PRT-N - (not (qual. neg.)) ερχομενουG2064 V-PNP-GSM - (coming) δεG1161 CONJ - (now) μουG1473 P-1GS - (my) προςG4314 PREP - (towards) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) εφυσιωθησανG5448 V-API-3P - (some have been puffed up) τινεςG5100 X-NPM - (some) [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:19 ελευσομαιG2064 V-FDI-1S - (I will come) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) ταχεωςG5030 ADV - (shortly) προςG4314 PREP - (towards) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) εανG1437 COND - (if) οκυριοςG2962 N-NSM - (the Lord) θελησηG2309 V-AAS-3S - (Lord should have willed it so) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) γνωσομαιG1097 V-FDI-1S - (I shall know for myself (middle deponent)) ουG3756 PRT-N - (not (abs. neg.)) τονλογονG3056 N-ASM - (the discourse) τωνπεφυσιωμενωνG5448 V-RPP-GPM - (of those puffed up) αλλαG235 CONJ - (but rather) τηνδυναμινG1411 N-ASF - (the power (innately so)) [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:20 ουG3756 PRT-N - (not(abs. neg.)) γαρG1063 CONJ - (seeing that) ενG1722 PREP - (in) λογωG3056 N-DSM - (discourse) ηβασιλειαG932 N-NSF - (the dominion (royal power, kingship) is)) τουθεουG2316 N-GSM - (of the God) αλλG235 CONJ - (but rather) ενG1722 PREP - (in) δυναμειG1411 N-DSF - (power (innately so)) [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:21 τιG5101 I-ASN - (what?) θελετεG2309 V-PAI-2P - (do you* desire) ενG1722 PREP - (with) ραβδωG4464 N-DSF - (a rod) ελθωG2064 V-2AAS-1S - (should I have came) προςG4314 PREP - (towards) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) ηG2228 PRT - (or) ενG1722 PREP - (in) αγαπηG26 N-DSF - (love (agape = love of esteem)) πνευματιG4151 N-DSN - (in a spirit) τεG5037 PRT - (and) πραοτητοςG4236 N-GSF - (of gentleness)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]My rendition with grammatical notes:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Co 4:18-21 Now, as to my not (qual. neg.) coming to you*, some have been puffed up. But, I will come to you* shortly if the Lord should have willed it so and I shall know for myself (middle deponent) not (abs. neg.) the discourse of those puffed up, but rather the power (innately so), seeing that the dominion (royal power, kingship) from God is not (abs. neg.) in discourse, but rather, in power (innately so). What do you* desire? Should I have came (projected future) to you* with a rod or in love (agape = love of esteem) and a spirit of gentleness?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]My Side-notes:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]dominion from God = in keeping in harmony with verse 8 speaking about Christian's reign, it would be more properly understood as 'the dominion' which is conferred on us Christians in Christ's kingdom. This dominion is then best explained in Rom 14:17-18 (paraphrased): The dominion from God is not about our rule over what we can or cannot eat or drink as according to the Law of Ordinances, but is our power to live in righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. It is by these things that we are able to serve Christ and thus, become acceptable to God. Frankly speaking, it is the kingship we have been given over our flesh so that we can spiritually pursue righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. It is indeed by the Spirit that one can obtain that which is needed to serve Christ and be acceptable to God. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is not in discourse = we do not obtain the dominion over our flesh simply by knowing Scripture, we must make our faith active and that simply is done by spiritually following Jesus. A faith based on head knowledge is a dead faith. Our faith become active when our souls become co-participants with Jesus' Spirit who will spiritually lead our souls into what is God's will. [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]but rather, in power = Christ being the power of God (1Co 1:24), the power of His Spirit in demonstration (1 Co 2:4, 1Th 1:5). Basically, one can tell of what sort of spirit is leading an individual by their fruit. Those who are lead by the Holy Spirit do overcome and are fruitful as workers. Likewise, one can tell who is lead by an evil spirit by them not possessing the fruits which are produced by a Spirit led life. [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Since we are on a blog and cannot see others for ourselves, we can, however, see with our eyes, their communication. But do not be quick to judge based on a few statements they have made, but look at their overall mannerism towards others. If a vast majority of their communication leaves a nasty distaste in your mind, perhaps you should reevaluate how and what you gleam from them. [/FONT]

 

[unclefester]

What I found I was guilty of was:

1. Exhorting, edifying, and, hopefully, informing, and, no where in this thread did I call cee an 'apostle,' so, to me, that means someone was insinuating and that very word is evil . So, with prayer, and, fear of the Lord for my wisdom and understanding of the Holy One who leads my life, I believe, the Lord leads, will be a day of complementary work again on this thread.

And, truly, IF someone thinks I am not complementing cee, just let me know how I can complement his study more, for I only want to be where the Lord leads me for my continued 'rest' in Him

If I may interject GreenNnice, I found these very words from you in Post #21. You didn't call him an apostle. You called him a great apostle. This thread does not pass the smell test.




"Cee, I can't even comment on your 'notes,' they are DRIVEN, even with your seemingly less enthusiastic approach to post #17. But, the content? My, my, my . Christbro, it's evident as day is day and night is night, that what you write is from with Him within

! Corinthians 2 ? . On we go, as He leads you, great apostle, cee, 111111111111 "

 

[GreenNnice]

If I may interject GreenNnice, I found these very words from you in Post #21. You didn't call him an apostle. You called him a great apostle. This thread does not pass the smell test.




"Cee, I can't even comment on your 'notes,' they are DRIVEN, even with your seemingly less enthusiastic approach to post #17. But, the content? My, my, my . Christbro, it's evident as day is day and night is night, that what you write is from with Him within

! Corinthians 2 ? . On we go, as He leads you, great apostle, cee, 111111111111 "

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I didn't see this ^^^ , uncfes, I do think you need to pray though, I think you KNOW that though you brought up divisiveness MY heart is after God,came, I will not speak things God's blessed me of, showed me, refined me, but His power in me is fraught with example and I praise God for all He's done in my life, all glory, thanks, praise be to God, my Saviour and friend, and, I am not tangenting here, besides fact I 'm tired and long day, including, speaking of 'smell test,' LOL, I spent half my night last night putting rat crap, literally speaking , in heavy duty garbage bags and then loading them from my warehouse to a box van today and tomorrow, with the 17 footer plum full of bags at 6am I will begin work tomorrow! LOLz I am blessed for my real work, this, thank you, Jesus, is not it .

But, Yes, I said already cee told me not to call him apostle cee, and, since cee scolded me I do not believe I've called cee someone who is 'sent by God,' even though, to me, He is, you really can't think for me and know how cee's ministered to me, but cee has and what booksnends and now, for you,call you, like books who are appalled, sickened by my attention to cee's study, may see what they call 'exhaltation' Is maybe understood as some other 'e' word now....

And, if you gleaned anything from the above, then think not 'exhaltation,' for by the Light of the world, through the vessel, cee, I, unclefes have, indeed, been thanking God for this 'e' word coming to me through cee's great instruction. If I am being ENLIGHTENED , I am allowed to say 'great instruction,' no?
Truly, the perversive words said, of those THINKING I'm just cee's sidekick need to think again, for cee has been ministering to ME as if of angels and fire, and, IF you can't understand this Truth, of how His Spirit has been using cee, I know who will show you this Truth IF you simply have the faith to receive the #fire' of Him unto your temple (1 Cor. 6:19-20.
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Cee, I am sorry , Christbro, but I'm exhausting so much energy in defense of myself I do jot have time to putvthought into this study,crystal Lord leads, I have a big day tomorrow too, one more day interacting with rat crap! But, I rest, God , wherever I go , is good, and I KNOW God has this stuff butva small season , again, thank you, my Lord, He sooo blessed me, keeps me, cee, it's a seen power. You have a great night, Christ brother . And, cee, I think since you asked me not to call you 'apostle' I have not, I think unclefesterer is bringing up pus from an earlier time, anyway, this spirit of subversion seeks to continue. Dear Lord, please let me rest in your strength, and, have all who read this KNOW you are in control, amen.

 

[unclefester]

GreenNnice .... my hope and prayer for you is the same as it is for all of us here and everywhere. But claiming that another was insinuating and that their very words were evil is pretty harsh stuff. I'm not looking to be divisive or oozing pus from an earlier time. We all make mistakes, myself included. Just remember this much. Christ never gives up on us ..... ever. And the grindmill cannot grind the flour with water that has passed.