1 Corinthians Chapter 1...Grammar Study

[cfultz3]

How ironic in a post....are ye of paul or apollo...you are yet "of cee".

If you learned this week to be careful of how you build on the true foundation, why did you not learn it from the dozens of attempts to have you see that (in spite of your mentor who has already caused you to sin in sectarianism?)

As for cees qualifications as a teacher/scholar, he is not qualified to attach commentary to the passages in the manner he has been doing. Perhaps a clear deliniation between holy scripture and this mans personal interpretation would be safer

cee is not an apostle.

You are aware of that arent you greennnice?

Mari,

I think we all were part of the game of sectarianism. Greenie and I were brotherly enough to apologize. The way I do things is no different than you quoting verses and saying what they mean. Is that not the same as saying, being a teacher? So, I expand the tense of the Greek and give my thoughts. Does that disqualify me any less than you to speak my mind? Perhaps you miss the coloring code, the direct usage of KJV verses for comparison, or the notes sections, or the quoted Greek. By us both quoting verses and saying, one way or another, that this or that is meant, then do we not both play the role of teacher (apostle)? Do we not both agree that we both are sure we have a message?

So, if you do not like this thread, then simply do not open it and reply. But I will continue my study nevertheless.

Iif you have any suggestions to how I should do it, then my all means give me an example of how you think it should look and I will take that into consideration. Otherwise it would only seem you are trying to shut me up just because you do not agree with how I am presenting my study.

 

[cfultz3]

Mari,

If you think I am mishandling the word in a perversive manner, you or anyone else, just have to click 'report post'. And if the administration agrees, then by all means, let them close the thread and no more will be opened.

 

[GreenNnice]

How ironic in a post....are ye of paul or apollo...you are yet "of cee".

If you learned this week to be careful of how you build on the true foundation, why did you not learn it from the dozens of attempts to have you see that (in spite of your mentor who has already caused you to sin in sectarianism?)

As for cees qualifications as a teacher/scholar, he is not qualified to attach commentary to the passages in the manner he has been doing. Perhaps a clear deliniation between holy scripture and this mans personal interpretation would be safer

cee is not an apostle.

You are aware of that arent you greennnice?

Do I say he is an apostle, mari? No, I do not.

Go through the past postings of the 'False Doctrine Of OSAS,' thread, or, 'can we lose salvation' thread, there will one see it was cee whom God sent to bring us all clear understanding of Scripture, we are to not judge others who build their foundation on Christ.

By Scripture , there are no apostles now, Jude says this Truth, but an 'apostle' is someone 'sent,' by definition to plant, water.....like Paul, speaking to churches, like Apollos, like Peter, like cee. But, Apostle, is cee an apostle, by Scripture regards? No. No one is, that title (office) was for a distinct period of 'Pauline' time in Scripture .




2 Cor.11:12-14: “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light, Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” They can look right but if they do not speak according to the word already delivered then whatever follows in miracles is not from God but from another source
. In 1 Cor.4:9 Paul tells what it was to be an apostle. “For I think God has displayed us, the apostles, last,as men condemned to death; “ (this is in the aorist tense meaning that they do not continue.) The apostles example were that they gave their lives for Christ and the Church. It was their teaching and it being written including miracles that made them apostles.

 

[cfultz3]

So people know, I voted ' I am learning from them' so that I can see the results when I open up the thread. That vote will not count.

 

[marianna]

Do I say he is an apostle, mari? No, I do not.

yes, you have said that.

Go through the past postings of the 'False Doctrine Of OSAS,' thread, or, 'can we lose salvation' thread, there will one see it was cee whom God sent to bring us all clear understanding of Scripture

He and you were and are wrong about that.
And many other things.
Yet you carry on.

Cee - if you really care for GnN you would discourage him from exhalting you.

Heed this warning.
I look in at this and I am ashamed for both of you. The pride reeks.
Take it down.

 

[marianna]

So people know, I voted ' I am learning from them' so that I can see the results when I open up the thread. That vote will not count.

Yes, It's all about you.
Really, though, you are so very wrong.
Decrease, so Christ may increase.
BE QUIET.
See if you are able. for even ONE DAY.

 

[cfultz3]

Yes, It's all about you.
Really, though, you are so very wrong.
Decrease, so Christ may increase.
BE QUIET.
See if you are able. for even ONE DAY.

Thank you for your response.

 

[cfultz3]

yes, you have said that.



He and you were and are wrong about that.
And many other things.
Yet you carry on.

Cee - if you really care for GnN you would discourage him from exhalting you.

Heed this warning.
I look in at this and I am ashamed for both of you. The pride reeks.
Take it down.

Mari,

But so you know, I have and have a trustworthy witness if he is willing to speak up (in front of two witnesses). But as you pointed out, apparently not well enough. As I have told him in emails, that such exhalting would cause others to see what you see. So, it is as I warned him. And because of that, in a desire not to offend, I will no longer post until I hear from the church (us here) if what you say is also what they say. Now that it is brought up to the church, I will abide by the poll and comments. So, please take the poll.

 

[marianna]

Mari,

But so you know, I have and have a trustworthy witness if he is willing to speak up (in front of two witnesses). But as you pointed out, apparently not well enough. As I have told him in emails, that such exhalting would cause others to see what you see. So, it is as I warned him. And because of that, in a desire not to offend, I will no longer post until I hear from the church (us here) if what you say is also what they say. Now that it is brought up to the church, I will abide by the poll and comments. So, please take the poll.

Stop with the drama.
Just do as your conscience tells you.

 

[cfultz3]

Stop with the drama.
Just do as your conscience tells you.

No Mari, you stop it. I am doing what my conscience and the Spirit of Truth is telling me and abiding by what it says in Scripture. End of discussion with you. I wait to see what others have to say.

 

[cfultz3]

How quickly bitter resentment towards Jesus' comamnd to obey can bring divisive discourse.

 

[GreenNnice]

Mari, why are you breaking the truce?

Please , abiding, eg, someone PM mari and tell her to calm down , unless you Love my bringing up my Eph. 2:8 thread. I will GLADLY bring it up Monday, through faith, IF I am so led, but....



...I truly throught we had a truce not to speak doom to each other's doctrine, up to you, I really will follow Him, but , yes, as of now, I'm more than led to stay with Christ our foundation and not speak past that simple reality of all who believe do, indeed, have salvation by God's grace and faith in The Cross .

Now, leave this thread alone, mari, unless you have contribution directly related to its content, thank you.

 

[cfultz3]

I have presented to all to tell me if I am perverting Scripture. Just tell me in the poll and I will be happy with that. Thank you in advance.

 

[GreenNnice]

I have presented to all to tell me if I am perverting Scripture. Just tell me in the poll and I will be happy with that. Thank you in advance.

Cee, carry on, dismiss the subversive spirit that is not of Him, YOU have a missive from Him do you not, to continue faithfully diligently, and, laboriously blessing others with your said wisdom from Him given, and, do NOT forget your glory is going All to God . Quench not He who brings tongues water who THIRST to know more of how they, too, can bring this immovable foundation of Christ into their life.
Build them up, cee, let no man tear you down , for man's wisdom is instant folly when put next to that of God's , even the foolishness of God and man's weakness is more than God's, no matter WHAT man thinks. And those who have the Spirit of God inside them, for those listening here that do not also have Him in them these words will sound of foolishness.

You do not STOP this study unless the Lord leads you to, YOU will know, there is NO perversness of verse nor meaning whatsoever, you are led by Him, whom the foolish men and women of the world cannot know .


King James Bible --- But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Have full faith, cee, in His work through you, your great words said that touch so many as He leads you to scribe. Let what comes our of you mouth continue to be from Him , who is inside your mind, soul, body, and, do not never ever never forget, He is IN your heart IF you are His and YOU are His ! pray hard right now, sleep on it, with peace, rest, MORNING !

 

[ozell]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I am trying a different format. Instead of breaking things up into verses, I will be breaking things up into paragraphs and presenting information in blocks. I may not properly break things up, but my intentions are well meant. I would like feedback as to if this format is better or should we stay with verse by verse.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]KJV 1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]KJV 1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]KJV 1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1Co 1:1-3 Paul, a called (invited) apostle of Jesus Christ through (channel of an act) God's will, and Brother Sosthenes. To the church (gathering, assembly) of God, the one being in Corinth, having had beensanctified (made holy) by(instrumentality)Christ Jesus, called (invited) saints (holy ones) together with all those everywhere who are calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to themselves (middle voice), both theirs and ours (Lord). Grace be unto you* and peace from (departure)God our Father and from (same) Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Notes:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]having had been sanctified (peRfect passive Participle) = properly, it means 'the sanctified church". The perfect tells us that it was an one time event. The passive tells us that they received the action. The participle tells us that it is an adverb describing 'church' (those gathered together). It is not telling us that all churches are sanctified, but that this particular one has been.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]calling upon...to themselves = that is, to call upon Jesus to present Himself to them. Example, "Henry was called upon to present himself to testify in court." So, to call upon the name of Jesus is to call upon Him to present Himself to you. In the sense of invoking (God! My God).[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]peace from God and Jesus = this tells us that there are at least 2 in the Godhead where peace can come from. But Revelation 1:4-5 tells us that peace can come from God the Father, the seven Spirits (seven manifestations of the Spirit), and from Jesus Christ. The absence of mentioning the Spirit here does not diminish the existence or even the importance of the Spirit, but does agree with the teaching of the Spirit not speaking of Himself but of God the Father and Jesus Christ.[/FONT]​

Look Brother

The Lord blessed you to see the Godhead consist of two whatever format help you see this truth you stick with it.
My preference is this way

Isaiah 28:9-13 (KJV)
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. [10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: [11] For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. [12] To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. [13] But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Exactly the way The Lord said it

 

[psychomom]

Chris,
I abhor confrontation, and wish to live in harmony with all whereever possible, sp please understand how hard it is for me to ask...
how is it that we are saved by grace through faith,
but maintain said salvation by our works?
(if this is even what you're saying...if it isn't, I would love for you to correct me ASAP! )

I really am just trying to understand.
I 100% believe in obedience! (in case that needed to be said)
I just think it's a gift, too, that I cannot manufacture of myself, try as I may.
For "every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father...".
I hope that sufficiently explains my position on that,
and that this post isn't just further trouble to you, or to anyone else.
quite sincerely,
-ellie

 

[cfultz3]

Chris,

I abhor confrontation, and wish to live in harmony with all whereever possible, sp please understand how hard it is for me to ask...
how is it that we are saved by grace through faith,
but maintain said salvation by our works?
(if this is even what you're saying...if it isn't, I would love for you to correct me ASAP! )

I really am just trying to understand.
I 100% believe in obedience! (in case that needed to be said)
I just think it's a gift, too, that I cannot manufacture of myself, try as I may.
For "every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father...".
I hope that sufficiently explains my position on that,
and that this post isn't just further trouble to you, or to anyone else.
quite sincerely,
-ellie

It is true that salvation through faith was by a gracious act of God. It is what we do with that faith which determines wheather we are faithful or unfaithful. Let us each be summed up:

1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers (workers, assistants) of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
1Co 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.


If we are not workers with Christ, then we have a dead faith.

If we are not faithful stewards of God's mysteries, then we are unfaithful.

It is true then, if we are unfaithful and our faith is dead, then we have been summed up as a producer of thorns and biers by the One and only Spirit who is the One who cultivates us so that we can be good ground for the growth of the Gospel. It is then through this cultivating that we beome good stewards and workers for Christ.


Obedience? What can be said but that, 'Choose this day whom you shall follow. Between good and evil. Between life and death As for me and my house, I choose God.' And Jesus said, 'Not my will but your will.' Then it was said, 'Job well done. Set and rest from your works.' We are also told, 'learned He obedience by the things He underwent.' If my Lord had a choice and He willfully choose God's will and learned obedience to God's will, so should I obey if I am to receive that same commendation which awaits for all.

 

[cfultz3]

Correction

so should I obey if I am to receive that same commendation which awaits for all.

Shoudl be

so should I obey if I am to receive that same commendation which awaits for all who are found faithful (hearkeners from His Voice) workers (servants, assistants).

 

[loveme1]

Follow the Holy Spirit that guides you.

If you were given the Truth then share it my friend.

Faith in Yahshua the Messiah is what circumcises our heart to be part of Yahvah Gods New Covenant.

 

[cfultz3]

Last chance: Is there anyone else I stand accussed by? Or may I continue?