10 Concise Reasons to Remember the Sabbath

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posthuman

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The 10 Commandments are about LOVE to God and neighbour....this BASIC command has not changed and will not change because it is spiritually observed, Jesus and His original Disciples kept them in the NT. Loving God and neighbour will never go out of fashion....they are from GOD who does not change. Why are you calling it the 'jewish sabbath ? We are to focus on the way GOD wants it observed....not the Jews.
perhaps he means by 'Jewish sabbath' the physical observance of the shadow & sign rather than and/or apart from the spiritual actualization of the substance. in the same way one might refer to 'the circumcision of the flesh' in contrast to 'the circumcision of the heart' ?

despite whatever a certain accuser of the brethren says, i am not talking about disobedience; i am talking about Jesus Christ living in us, He who is the Justifier of the ungodly and God of the Greek, the Jew, the Barbarian and of all.
 

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So, basically, that the seed will not only save, but also rule? Is this what you mean by this covenant?
yes, the Messiah is both the sign and the promise -- and this was given to David through Nathan without any prerequisite on David's part, a promise, not an 'if-then' -- just as to Eve He said the Seed will crush the seed of the serpent without giving her any prerequisite either.
 

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I have never said I am righteous. you see, Christians understand that one can never be good enough to earn salvation, that is why we put our faith and trust in Jesus.

I will keep posting. I want all viewing this to see what honesty and dishonesty look like.

instead of addressing your words, you attack me, and accuse me promoting my rightoeuness , something I never do.

I hold up Christ., not myself'

so, just keep ducking and dodging and refusing to address your own words. all can see this, even if you refuse to.

so, see, when I see lost soul find salvation through faith and trust in Christ alone ( you know, Biblical truth ), that brings me joy.

but, since you have no concept of salvation without the Law being preached, you mock and make light of it.
You started with Jesus and the NT and ended your post with 10 commandments and sabbath.

Which is strange, the order is to go from 10 commandments and sabbath to Jesus and the NT :)

Sabbath was a physical image of rest. Jews rested from their physical work in fields and similar, symbolically every week 1 day.

We rest in Christ, all the time. Thats the fulfillment of the physical image of Jewish Sabbath.

If you still try to keep the image, you are implying that the fullfillment in Christ has not come yet, that you still wait for Christ to come and that is where theological problems start. That is why it is seen as so "jewish", so "going back" and so "unchristian".

I just don't believe Jesus followed worthless Jewish traditions. I don't believe God was a Jew. Therefore, I don't understand the preaching that God's Sanctified Sabbath, that He created as Holy, is a "Jewish Sabbath".

And are we not all waiting for the New Earth?

Is. 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Will I make the same argument with God in His Kingdom? "No God, I will not walk in your Sabbath because I have been taught it is a Jewish Sabbath"?

Were we not warned about man "changing the times and laws"?

Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

And according to the Bible, who are these "Saints"?

Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Can you see how a person could tie God's Words together with all His other warnings of religious man who "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own Traditions"?

I think it isn't unreasonable to question religious traditions which make such claims like "God's Sabbath is a Jewish Sabbath".

Especially when Jesus said over and over that they didn't follow His Fathers Commandments.

It surely is an interesting dilemma in my view.

If I listen and believe all the Word's of the Word which became Flesh, then it's a no brainer. Don't kill people, don't steal from people, love your neighbor and remember to keep God's Sabbath Day Holy etc. But if I listen to mainstream religious man, one or more of these commandments are no longer needed, and specifically the one Commandment Jesus said was "Made for man".

I guess time will tell.
 

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Is. 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
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did you have a nice Rosh Chodesh?

as we can clearly see ((here and also in Colossians 2)) it is expressly linked to sabbath.

i still can't seem to find anyone who respects this day or is willing to give even one iota of advice or instruction for its observation, despite hearing from 'many' that it is eternally commanded on penalty of death & hell.
 

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I have never said I am righteous. you see, Christians understand that one can never be good enough to earn salvation, that is why we put our faith and trust in Jesus.

I will keep posting. I want all viewing this to see what honesty and dishonesty look like.

instead of addressing your words, you attack me, and accuse me promoting my rightoeuness , something I never do.

I hold up Christ., not myself'

so, just keep ducking and dodging and refusing to address your own words. all can see this, even if you refuse to.

so, see, when I see lost soul find salvation through faith and trust in Christ alone ( you know, Biblical truth ), that brings me joy.

but, since you have no concept of salvation without the Law being preached, you mock and make light of it.
And the hits just keep coming.

"I have never said I am righteous."

"I want all viewing this to see what honesty and dishonesty look like.

I hold up Christ., not myself'
 

posthuman

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And the hits just keep coming.
He struck them ruthlessly with a great slaughter;
and he went down and lived in the cleft of the rock of Etam.
(Judges 15:8)
 

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Will I make the same argument with God in His Kingdom?
Habakkuk once made an argument with God, asking how it could be just that the unrighteous - "ruthless and impetuous" ((Habakkuk 1:6)) -- rise up to judge those who were "more righteous" ((Habakkuk 1:13)) ??

God answered him perfectly, saying "the just shall live by faith" ((Habakkuk 2:4))
 

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did you have a nice Rosh Chodesh?

as we can clearly see ((here and also in Colossians 2)) it is expressly linked to sabbath.

i still can't seem to find anyone who respects this day or is willing to give even one iota of advice or instruction for its observation, despite hearing from 'many' that it is eternally commanded on penalty of death & hell.
We certainly do have a fundamental difference in how we view scriptures.

i still can't seem to find anyone who respects this day or is willing to give even one iota of advice or instruction for its observation
Is. 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

If I use your reasoning, then if I don't "deny myself" on this Holy of Days, the opposite would be true as well, right?

If I did my pleasure on the Sabbath, and called His Sabbath a burden, not Holy of Days, in other words, if I treated this day the same as all others, If I didn't Honor the Lord by believing in Him regarding His sanctification of this Holy Day. If I did my own work, and spoke my own words on His Sabbath. Then I would not delight myself in the Lord.

Maybe this is the reason why religious man teaches falsehoods about God and His Word. Like the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by following God's Laws, when Jesus taught the exact opposite?

Like God's Feasts and Holy days are "rudiments of the world", and "vain deceit" and "tradition of men", when Jesus, as the Word, says they are "His Feasts".

I think the instruction is there, it just takes "Faith" to believe in it.
 

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Habakkuk once made an argument with God, asking how it could be just that the unrighteous - "ruthless and impetuous" ((Habakkuk 1:6)) -- rise up to judge those who were "more righteous" ((Habakkuk 1:13)) ??

God answered him perfectly, saying "the just shall live by faith" ((Habakkuk 2:4))
Habakkuk 1:1 The burden which Habakkuk the prophet did see.
2 O LORD, how long shall I cry, and thou wilt not hear! even cry out unto thee of violence, and thou wilt not save!

3 Why dost thou shew me iniquity, and cause me to behold grievance? for spoiling and violence are before me: and there are that raise up strife and contention.

4 Therefore the law is slacked, and judgment doth never go forth: for the wicked doth compass about the righteous; therefore wrong judgment proceedeth.

5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.

7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

Habakkuk 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

18 What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?
19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.


20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.


Yes, God has raised up a bitter and nasty nation, terrible and dreadful, whose "Wrong" judgments and pride shall go before them.

But as Jesus said "He who endures to the end shall be saved." That is my Hope, the "Faith" of Abraham, Christ in me.

Wonderful scriptures. Not sure what they have to do with Is. 57 and the New Earth.
 

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We certainly do have a fundamental difference in how we view scriptures.



Is. 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

If I use your reasoning, then if I don't "deny myself" on this Holy of Days, the opposite would be true as well, right?

If I did my pleasure on the Sabbath, and called His Sabbath a burden, not Holy of Days, in other words, if I treated this day the same as all others, If I didn't Honor the Lord by believing in Him regarding His sanctification of this Holy Day. If I did my own work, and spoke my own words on His Sabbath. Then I would not delight myself in the Lord.

Maybe this is the reason why religious man teaches falsehoods about God and His Word. Like the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by following God's Laws, when Jesus taught the exact opposite?

Like God's Feasts and Holy days are "rudiments of the world", and "vain deceit" and "tradition of men", when Jesus, as the Word, says they are "His Feasts".

I think the instruction is there, it just takes "Faith" to believe in it.
i don't understand why you quote me if you're not going to actually respond to what i wrote and just going to prattle on about things that have nothing to do with what you quote, have absolutely no basis in what i wrote, and are completely unsupported by and in no way implied by my post.


did you have a nice Rosh Chodesh?

Isaiah 66:23 says "one new moon to another" -- you boast of considering "all" God's word, right? while you insinuate all the brethren here don't?

any particular reason you never mention Rosh Chodesh?
any particular reason you seem to ignore it?
 

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Wonderful scriptures. Not sure what they have to do with Is. 57 and the New Earth.
not sure why you're bringing up Isaiah 57, but there are very obvious connections between it and the book of Habakkuk. judgement for spiritual prostitution. not sure why a person able to boast of such amazing understanding and authority to teach, who considers and keeps "all" of God's word ((see Romans 2:17-24)), could fail to see how they are connected.
probably it is too marvelous for an idiot like post :)

interesting verse here at the end of Isaiah 57, though, with connection to the thread topic:

But the wicked are like the tossing sea,
which cannot rest,
whose waves cast up mire and mud.
(Isaiah 57:20)

no ability to enter rest. like the tossing sea.

this is connected to this:

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.
(Ephesians 4:14-15)

in which tossing about by wind is spoken of being remedied by speaking the truth in love -- which is a stark contrast to veiled curses, deceitful speech and idle slander, biting, and devouring.
in connection to this also, we have:

Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.
(James 3:4)
James is speaking about the tongue, how that it is a restless ((v.8)) evil full of poison, and that no man can tame it. how that out of the same mouth blessing and cursing should not come.

so i find a thread in the scripture connecting an inability to enter rest to false, unloving speech, to wickedness and deceitful teaching. continuing in Ephesians i see it connected to having lost connection with the Head: who is Christ. losing connection to this Head is also spoken of here:

These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
(Colossians 2:17-19)

where the scripture relates having lost connection to Christ with, now that the substance is revealed, judging others over shadows, associating such behaviour with being vain, unspiritual & having a false show of humility expressed in demanding strict observance of commandments and proscriptions having to do with the physical body and material regulations of conduct.
these things are connected to inability to enter rest.

in Hebrews we see how that the Law of the Mosaic covenant provided similarly for atonement in a way that could not afford the priesthood opportunity to rest. but ultimately God says they did not enter His rest because of unbelief -- it was not failure to keep the outward signs of the diet and feasts and festivals and sabbaths for which they did not enter Canaan, but because they did not trust God to deliver them.

so inability to enter rest is connected to these things:

  • wickedness
  • vain speech
  • lack of love
  • deceitful teaching
  • judging others over shadows
  • unbelief
  • lack of trust

but whoever has ceased from his own work has entered His rest: the just shall live by faith.
the manna has been gathered; today's portion was given yesterday. :)

Yes, my soul, find rest in God;
my hope comes from Him.
Truly He is my Rock and my Salvation;
He is my Fortress, I will not be shaken.
My salvation and my honor depend on God;
He is my Mighty Rock, my Refuge.
Trust in Him at all times, you people;
pour out your hearts to Him,
for God is our Refuge.
(Psalm 65:5-8)


 

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i don't understand why you quote me if you're not going to actually respond to what i wrote and just going to prattle on about things that have nothing to do with what you quote, have absolutely no basis in what i wrote, and are completely unsupported by and in no way implied by my post.


did you have a nice Rosh Chodesh?

Isaiah 66:23 says "one new moon to another" -- you boast of considering "all" God's word, right? while you insinuate all the brethren here don't?

any particular reason you never mention Rosh Chodesh?
any particular reason you seem to ignore it?
The New Moon isn't a Sabbath, it was a starting time to count for the observance of Holy days which show God's Salvation plan. Passover is on a certain date. God prepared a starting time so His people would know when a "Holy Day" was to be honored. There is no instruction to observe it other than knowing when it is so a servant of God could count properly to know when Passover is. From there we know when the First Day of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath, is. From there we "count" so we can know when Pentecost is. Peter knew of this and was able to "count properly" so as to know when to gather for Pentecost.

This is why you can't find instructions on how to observe it, but find all manner of instructions on how to observe Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of atonement and of course the volumes of scriptures which show how to observe God's Holy Sabbath. .
 

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Yes, my soul, find rest in God;
my hope comes from Him.
Truly He is my Rock and my Salvation;
He is my Fortress, I will not be shaken.
My salvation and my honor depend on God;
He is my Mighty Rock, my Refuge.
Trust in Him at all times, you people;
pour out your hearts to Him,
for God is our Refuge.

(Psalm 65:5-8)

so speak of Him :)
 

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The New Moon isn't a Sabbath, it was a starting time to count for the observance of Holy days which show God's Salvation plan. Passover is on a certain date. God prepared a starting time so His people would know when a "Holy Day" was to be honored. There is no instruction to observe it other than knowing when it is so a servant of God could count properly to know when Passover is. From there we know when the First Day of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath, is. From there we "count" so we can know when Pentecost is. Peter knew of this and was able to "count properly" so as to know when to gather for Pentecost.

This is why you can't find instructions on how to observe it, but find all manner of instructions on how to observe Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of atonement and of course the volumes of scriptures which show how to observe God's Holy Sabbath. .

'no instruction other than knowing when it is' ??
never even heard of blowing the trumpet? Psalm 81:3 happens to be part of "
all" scripture...

Numbers 10:10 ?
time of gladness and appointed feast? burnt and peace offerings are commanded - and they include thanksgiving and freewill offerings, and are not atonement offerings.
we know you constantly preach that '
only' the atonement system is removed from us and that we stand under all the rest of the Law given to the those baptized into Moses, so why shouldn't we be making such offerings as these on every new moon?
 

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what I gather from the Word of God is that He starts EVERYTHING from a very BASIC Beginning, which is generally something physical and tangible for MAN to grasp and understand....because of our own material existence. We learn of the 'spiritual from/by/through our experience with the physical , of which the Sabbath DAY is a perfect Example as in it is already contained the PRESENCE of GOD in HOLINESS.
To reject such simple Beginnings and take a 'flying leap to faith can have disastrous results....we should proceed as GOD directs.

ok, from a biblical perspective, we learn of the spiritual through the Holy Spirit, who, among other offices, is our teacher

we can draw metaphors from the physical world, but that has nothing to do with taking some kind of flying leap anywhere

we walk out our faith...we don't leap around

I think you have simply illustrated how you personally experience things, but this is not something instructional to most people

it is subjective and not contructive

again, this does not create any sort of connection to your Sabbath worship
 

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Jesus said I am to live by "Every Word" which proceeds from God. It is He, through His Word, who warns about "another Jesus" and religious man "creating images of God in the likeness of man", and how religious man "transgress God's Commandments by their own religious traditions". These warnings are written through out the Bible. And I see these things happening right now.

Your anger and nastiness is perfectly in line with how religious man in the Bible deals with Scriptures which bring their religious doctrines into question. In the old days religious men would just stop their ears, rush and stone those who bring these scriptures to bear.. But alas, all they have now are insults, ridicule, and scorn.

It's OK 7. Your reaction is perfectly natural.

My hope is that in the quiet corner of your house, when no one is looking, like Cornelius, you might examine some of the scriptures I posted, and think about "YOUR" reaction to them. Why are you so hateful, what is it about some of God's Word which makes you so angry.

Had the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time truly Loved the God of the Bible, they would have spent more time examining themselves and less time judging God's Word, IMO.

is it me, or are these posts of study here becoming increasingly sarcastic the more he tries to defend an indefensible position?

I don't know what you are studying, but it is making less and less sense

the personal remarks have nothing to do with this op. I read your replies to others who don't fall in line with your Sabbath worship and they are equally nasty

beginning to understand Sabbath keepers much better
 

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aren't Sabbath keepers supposed to be doing nothing today?

why are some of them working up a sweat and getting all angry and stuff?

relax....it's the Sabbath. maybe take a little catnip or something :rolleyes:
 

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I just don't believe Jesus followed worthless Jewish traditions. I don't believe God was a Jew. Therefore, I don't understand the preaching that God's Sanctified Sabbath, that He created as Holy, is a "Jewish Sabbath".

And are we not all waiting for the New Earth?

Is. 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Will I make the same argument with God in His Kingdom? "No God, I will not walk in your Sabbath because I have been taught it is a Jewish Sabbath"?

Were we not warned about man "changing the times and laws"?

Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

And according to the Bible, who are these "Saints"?

Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Can you see how a person could tie God's Words together with all His other warnings of religious man who "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own Traditions"?

I think it isn't unreasonable to question religious traditions which make such claims like "God's Sabbath is a Jewish Sabbath".

Especially when Jesus said over and over that they didn't follow His Fathers Commandments.

It surely is an interesting dilemma in my view.

If I listen and believe all the Word's of the Word which became Flesh, then it's a no brainer. Don't kill people, don't steal from people, love your neighbor and remember to keep God's Sabbath Day Holy etc. But if I listen to mainstream religious man, one or more of these commandments are no longer needed, and specifically the one Commandment Jesus said was "Made for man".
I guess time will tell.
I must admit my friend....you have more patience with them than I have ! Thank you and God bless you ! it will be rewarded one day !