Sabbath

Jeff_56 · Mar 28, 2015

an observation simply ...............................................
............................. ----- are you saying i should lie also, even by silence ?

(just noticed it followed in the next post with a direct lie, again)

blue_ladybug said:

blue_ladybug · Mar 28, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

Jeff_56 said:

umm, you need to learn to stop reading things into people's posts..NO I'm not saying you should lie..re-read my reply above..I SAID that was a harsh accusation..no more, no less..

Jeff_56 · Mar 28, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

i guess if you thought calling ananias and saphira liars(in ACTS) was a harsh accusation to make, that makes sense.

why you think its harsh is unknown and unexpected.

i didn't read anything into your post, just what you posted.

for me to reply any other way
would have been if not a lie, condoning or perpetrating further a lie, no more. no less.

thus there was no harshness in my post. no accusation of mine own. simple truth.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 28, 2015

JESUS said that the sabbath (and sabbath means rest)was made for man and not man was made for the sabbath.

So with that being said,if they were keeping the sabbath in the old testament this would mean that they would have been keeping the sabbath because it was told them by law to keep it and that sounds like they were observing the sabbath out of fear of breaking the law but under grace JESUS is our rest.

So then i guess i would ask are we keeping the sabbath out of fear/obligation or resting in JESUS.
sometimes people certainly are not going to say mixing law and grace or okay but i think that is what they are doing without realizing it.

mixing legalism with grace is wrong.

resurrection33 · Mar 28, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

We all need a day of rest each week. The Lord rested for a day and commanded us to do the same. Sometimes you can't rest on Sunday (or whenever your normal sabbath is), so you rest Monday instead, or half of Monday and half of Tuesday.

just-me · Mar 28, 2015

seed_time_harvest said:

I think others might think as I do in that the grace of God compels us to want to obey Him, including His instruction in what some call the Torah and others call the law. Some may call that legalism and some my call that obedience. It should never be presumed or assumed that just because the way they worship is only legal minus faith and God's grace if they observe Saturday as the Sabbath day, and only the ones that are under God's grace worship in another way because they see the Sabbath observed by others as legalism. I have even heard that there are only 9 commandments to abide by in the New Covenant by some proclaiming anti legalistic distorted doctrines. What a travesty!!!. I have seen presumptuous sins manifested many times on this site. It is a shame.

just-me · Mar 28, 2015

Willie-T said:

And the ones labeling others as legalistic are doing the same thing in reverse.

VioletReigns · Mar 28, 2015

Jesus is the Law fulfilled. Therefore the Law was crucified. What we could not do, Jesus did for us and redeemed us from the law's curse: condemnation, guilt, shame, and death.

The outward keeping of the Sabbath was OT holy law. Upon the Cross Jesus redeemed us from that obligation of trying to atone for our own sins. On the 7th day God rested. Now Jesus offers that rest to us every single day. "Come unto Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you REST."

The holiness of the law did not cease. It was perfected for us through Jesus Christ. Therefore the keeping of the Sabbath is a gift from God to man. It is no longer an obligation or requirement, but a CELEBRATION of worship and praise to our God, of fellowship with our brothers and sisters in the Spirit of Jesus Christ, of hearing and sharing the glorious Word of God to us. \

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seed_time_harvest · Mar 28, 2015

just-me said:

Yes the grace of GOD compels a person to want to obey but like i said in the post#784, JESUS said that the sabbath was made for man and if someone is trying to keep the sabbath under the old testament then i would say that they are not under grace but they are under law and when a person is obedient to the word of the lord because the same GOD that spoke in the old testament law is the same GOD that spoke in the new testament grace then i feel that they are trying to mix law with grace and not understanding why there are two covenants.

Its true in a physical sense that the human being needs rest and the law was for the physical but GOD likes faith and truth and that can only come from the inside and we can't clean that part of ourselves so then if we want to rest, then Yes the grace of GOD compels a person to want to obey but like i said in the post JESUS said that the sabbath was made for man and if someone is trying to keep the sabbath under the old testament then i would say that they are not under grace but they are under law and when a person is obedient to the word of the lord because the same GOD that spoke in the old testament law is the same GOD that spoke in the new testament grace then i feel that they are trying to mix law with grace and not understanding why there are two covenants.

Its true in a physical sense that the human being needs rest and the law was for the physical and GOD likes faith and truth and that can only come from the inside and we can't clean that part of ourselves so then if we want to rest then true rest is spiritual and true rest is in JESUS. and true rest is in JESUS.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 28, 2015

sorry about the way that post came out i thought i corrected it but it came out repeating everything.
i tried to fix it before the edit time ran out but i ran out of time.

just-me · Mar 28, 2015

VioletReigns said:

That means the law is dead. Or did it resurrect with Christ also in the the exacting of loving your neighbor as yourself, the details of the spiritual relevance on this simple truth are written in law. For starters I present to you Leviticus 19:11-18

Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the Lord.Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

just-me · Mar 28, 2015

seed_time_harvest said:

There is a new testament scripture that depicts the proper observance of the Sabbath backed up by the Old Testament.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:2-3

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

So the 7th day is a rest day. Now taking the Hebrew calendar into consideration we also know that the 1st Sabbath day involved the giving of manna. That means food and rest are to be considered together according to God's will. This was endorsed beginning with the 15th day of the 2nd month. The first day of the Hebrew year (not the Jewish civil calendar) in the Bible was at the new moon on March 20th. The 1st month of the Hebrew year has 30 days. Doing the math, 45 days passed until the promise of manna. The 1st day of the 7 day period was the day after the 15th. Counting the 16th to the 22nd is a 7 day stretch. So let's compare. Counting the 20th of march as one of the 45 days, ends up to be May 3rd. So in Exodus chapter 22 addresses the first Sabbath compared to our calendar. We see this year that the first Sabbath falls on the 10th of May which is a Sunday. Does that make Sunday church goers this year as believers who are conforming to legalism? No. Next year it won't be that way anyway.

The Old Testament promise (covenant with Israel) is still in effect. New Testament doctrine makes it clear that Jews and Gentiles have only 1 Mediator. Go figure.

slave · Mar 28, 2015

I have to say I don't get this...someone share with me the importance of this issue sabbath. I see this as simply the day set aside to worship God. And in that I set aside my work loads and give Him respect and Honor in time of Worship both individually and collectively....what day of the week that is His ...to me the debate over it is meaningless. We celebrate Christmas in Dec. when it probably really happened in Sept. which has not stopped the celebration being less effective in Honoring Him.

And the amount of responses are endless...why? It's like we can't conclude anything...sorry, I know it's fun to chat I get it... It just reminds me of the story in Luke when Jesus, the Author of Christianity and the Church.... comes in the church and with the Disciples do some things not so sabbath like, according to the Pharisees and teachers and Jesus says in response to their ignorance in not realizing who these people have in front of them...as they rebuked Jesus Himself over His own rules...Jesus pointed out the important things in life by saying...If your mule falls in a hole on a sunday [sat/monday at midnight or whatever time you think is sabbath] will you not save him because on the sabbath you are not to do such things? And I know that is more about the rule of LAW...

But I just think there are greater issues in the kingdom than to tread our wheels over this subject...so in my own rebuke I guess I should have simply not applied myself to talking in it...smile. I am out, but God bless ...maybe someone can refocus my conclusions.. ok I'm better I just dosed myself in Phil. 4:6-7 smile.

valiant · Mar 28, 2015

just-me said:

are you intending this to be taken seriously? LOL Was the rest that Joshua gave to Israel simply the Sabbath day rest? (Heb 4.8). And that rest is compared with the rest that God will give His people. He had given them rest from all their enemies round about. And God has a better rest for us.

Is the rest that we are to 'strive to enter into' lest we fail through disobedience (Heb 4.11), referring to the Sabbath day? Most people would not have much trouble observing a Sabbath day. They would not have to strive to enter into it. The rest that God offers is permanent and lasting..

It wasn't the first Sabbath day. In Exodus 16.22 it is clear that some intended to keep the Sabbath before Moses had explained it. Thus there had been Sabbath days before, but only observed by few. Moses then had to explain the Sabbath to the elders of the tribes. It is clear from this that the Sabbath was only the custom of the few and was not known to all Israel.
Nor was the giving of food directly connected with the Sabbath. It was the few who followed the custom who brought the Sabbath into it. You are careless in your interpretation.

It changed from year to year so how can you possibly know?

No it does not, it is a moon period of about 28-29 days. 30 days is a rough approximation.

yes the mediator of the NEW covenant, not the old.

just-me · Mar 28, 2015

just-me said:

valiant said:

If you are going to address my post it would be better if you quoted all of what I said. Thank you. God bless. I could have compared leap years of a full month also rather than a leap year of 29 days in February but that wouldn't be understood and it wouldn't make any difference anyway. LOL
see this post

Jeff_56 · Mar 28, 2015

slave said:

the pagan days introduced by hasatan through rcc have virtually destroyed trust in GOD'S WORD - and made
billions of
people believe that they are not in need of salvation, when they are - thus destroying their souls forever.

also, (subject to testing, as always) >>>>
[h=1]The Sabbath is a sign that we are His people
and will be kept in the future kingdom
[/h] [HR][/HR]

Exod 31:13 (NKJV) "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: `Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it [is] a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that [you] may know that I [am] Yahweh who sanctifies you.

The Sabbath is a sign between Yahweh and His people forever. And not just Israel, but for all who enjoin themselves unto the blessings and promises of Israel by accepting Yahushua the Messiah.

Isai 56:3 (NKJV) Do not let the son of the foreigner Who has joined himself to Yahweh Speak, saying, "Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people"; Nor let the eunuch say, "Here I am, a dry tree." 4 For thus says Yahweh: "To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 Even to them I will give in My house And within My walls a place and a name Better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name That shall not be cut off. 6 "Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, And to love the name of Yahweh, to be His servants--Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant--

We know that not just Israel was to keep the Sabbath, but EVERYONE.
The Sabbath will also be kept when Yahushua returns:

Isai 66:22 (NKJV) "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says Yahweh, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass [That] from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says Yahweh.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 28, 2015

As long as you are not keeping the Sabbath because you feel that since its Saturday I am supposed to go to church.

prove-all · Mar 30, 2015

In the seventh chapter of the book of Daniel is an amazing prophecy picturing for 2,500 years
into the future, from the day it was written, the course of the Gentile kingdoms.

Starting with the ancient Chaldean Empire of Nebuchadnezzar, this prophecy foretells the
successive world rule of the Persian Empire, Alexander’s Greco-Macedonian kingdom with
its four divisions, and finally,of the mighty Roman Empire. Out of the original Roman Empire,
symbolized by 10 “horns” growing out of the head of a “beast,” are pictured the 10 resurrections
of the Roman Empire that have continued since its fall to the present, and are scheduled
to continue until the coming of Christ.

Among these 10 kingdoms which have ruled in the Western world since the fall of Rome to the present,
appeared another “little horn,” whose “look was more stout than his fellows.” In other words, another
government, actually smaller, yet dominating over all the others. Students of prophecy recognize
this “little horn” as a great religious hierarchy. And in the 25th verse of this prophecy, it is stated that
this hierarchy shall “think to change times and laws.”

How Time Was Changed

This same power is mentioned again in the 17th chapter of Revelation, here pictured as ruling over
the kings and kingdoms of the Earth, persecuting the true saints.

In every possible manner, this power has changed time!

God begins the days at sunset, but “the little horn” has changed it so the world now
begins the day in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.

God begins the week with the ending of the true Sabbath, the seventh day of the week,
but the world begins the working week in the middle of the night, the second day of the week.

God begins the months with the new moons, but this “little horn” has induced the world
to begin the months according to a clumsy man-made calendar of heathen origin.

God begins the year in the early spring, when new life is budding in nature everywhere,
but ancient heathen Rome caused the world to begin the year in the middle of dead winter.

God gave His children a true rest day, designed to keep them continually in the knowledge
and true worship of the true God—a memorial of God’s creation—the seventh day of the week.
but the “little horn” has fastened upon a deluded world the observance of the days on which
the pagans worshipped the sun,

the first day of the week, called Sunday.

prove-all · Mar 30, 2015

Pagan Origins

Ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been chained upon a heedless and deceived world.
These include certain annual holidays—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter, as well as many more,
every one a pagan day—every one used to stimulate the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets.
Upon honest investigation, the earnest seeker after truth learns that these days are all of heathen origin
and pagan significance. He learns that he should have no part in them.

But is the Christian of today left without any annual holy days? Did God never give to His people annual
holy days, as well as the weekly Sabbath? Are not ancient Rome’s annual holidays mere counterfeits of
God’s true holy days, exactly as Sunday is a counterfeit of the true Sabbath?

Banishing Prejudice

Let us honestly open our Bibles, and prayerfully investigate. We are told to study—not argue, not to refute,
but—to show ourselves approved unto God—to learn God’s will. We are commanded, as Christians,
to grow in knowledge as well as in grace (2 Peter 3:18). All Scripture is given by inspiration of God
and is profitable to correct and to reprove us, where we have, through assumption,
false teaching or prejudice, been in error.

Most people have supposed that all the annual sabbaths and feast days of Israel were done away.
And yet Church history shows that the early true Church did, for more than 400 long years at least

—perhaps much longer—after Christ’s resurrection, continue to keep and observe these annual
holy days given by God!

And just as the Sunday observer is inclined to look, at first, upon any argument for the weekly
Sabbath with prejudice—as a heresy—and to examine every argument only in an attitude of attempting
to refute it, so it will be only human—only natural for us, if we are not on our guard against it, to look u
pon any presentation of these annual sabbaths in the same spirit of prejudice.

But remember that “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it,
it is folly and shame unto him” (Proverbs 18:13).

prove-all · Mar 30, 2015

Prior to the Law of Moses

In the 12th chapter of Exodus, while the children of Israel were still in Egypt—long before
any of the law of Moses had been given—prior to the time when God revealed to Moses
and the Israelites He would make the Old Covenant with them—
we find God’s annual holy days being observed.

The Purpose of Holy Days

Now in like manner, when God gave His Church seven annual sabbaths, God, in His wisdom,
had a great purpose. These days, too, were given to keep God’s children in the true memory
and worship of God by keeping us constantly in the understanding of God’s great plan of redemption.
For these annual days picture the different epochs in the plan of spiritual creation—
mark the dispensations, and picture their meaning.

The whole story of spiritual regeneration was, in these feast days, to be reenacted year after year
continually. They have vitally important symbolism and meaning.

Such arguments as “The annual sabbaths are part of the law of Moses,” or “they offered sacrifices on
the annual sabbaths,” or “Colossians 2:16 does away with the annual sabbaths,” are not scriptural.

For the annual sabbaths were not part of the law of Moses, but were observed before the ritualistic
ordinances contained in the law of Moses were given. Sacrifices were offered on the weekly Sabbath,
but this does not do away with the Sabbath. In fact, sacrifices were offered on every day of the year (Numbers 28:3).

Colossians 2:16 refers not alone to the annual sabbaths, but to the annual days, the monthly
new moons,and the weekly Sabbath. Whenever the Bible uses the expression “sabbath days”
with new moons and holy days, it is referring to the weekly Sabbath days, the new moons and
the annual holy days or feast days. The “sabbath days” of Colossians 2:16 refers to the weekly Sabbath.
Compare 1 Chronicles 23:31 with 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Nehemiah 10:33 and Ezekiel 46:3.
If Colossians does away with the one, it also abolishes the other.

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